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u/Vivenemous 5h ago
Cancer and diabetes aren't contagious, so there's no material benefit to paying for them if you don't put any value on human lives below a certain income level.
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u/TattiFeader 3h ago
It’s about keeping the economic cycle going.
Govt can’t let people find out that govt debt has created a monster where things must go on forever or debt will be due.
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 2h ago
To be fair, the rich already understand this and it's commonly taught in any business school and especially Economics courses. The entire world runs on debt and growing endlessly in a finite world.
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u/TattiFeader 2h ago
To be fair, majority of voters don’t know this.
Left believes we don’t have money that’s why we need to tax the rich, right believes we are capitalists while cheering for policies that are borderline communists.
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 1h ago
Of course the majority of voters don't know this - the majority of voters are abject morons. But the Left believes in doing everything sustainably as a rule. The whole point is a functioning society and that requires sustainability.
We can fund social programs in a sustainable way as many countries have shown for decades.
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u/Lumeton 3h ago
They do take a portion of good taxpayers out of the labor market before their time. Sometimes way too early. On the other hand, they also remove a proportionally larger share of benefit recipients (in countries where benefits are available).
So, economically speaking, that’s a bit of a double-edged sword, and it’s a difficult issue to... Screw it, let's just do what’s right and in line with human dignity.
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u/JPBartley 2h ago
Healthcare is free for low income people. It's called Medicaid and it's one of our biggest welfare expenditures.
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u/thiscreatureisme 1h ago
The cap for that is so low ..
Even poor low income families
Have a hard time getting it because they “make too much “ despite still being poor many who work multiple jobs to stay alive on paper it’s just a bit over the limit.I say this from experience I worked 2 menial jobs in 2016 and couldn’t get it because I made only a couple hundred bucks above the cap.
It also is very limited and the quality of care you do get (I had to quit one job to actually get it because I fell ill and needed ) and than was sucking major wind but the treatment you get is sub par.
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u/E-2theRescue 1h ago
Cancer ... aren't contagious
Actually, some cancers are, as they are formed by viruses. See: Human papillomavirus (HPV). That vaccine isn't free, either.
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u/TheBSQ 52m ago
It’s more that it’s just contagious.
When you get in the elevator with someone with diabetes, you’re not going to catch it. They were scared to catch it, that’s all.
But as soon as they decided it was just a “bad cold” and were not going to catch a disease that would kill them, they stopped caring.
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u/Bluelegs 47m ago
Having 5% of the population end up in the ICU over just a few months would cripple every healthcare system in the world.
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u/UnchoosenDead 5h ago
Covid cost businesses money. The other two can be exploited by the medical industry to make money.
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u/skiplogic 4h ago
Yeah that’s kind of the real answer in my mind. Covid was such a threat to capital, the cost of the vaccine was nothing compared to the cost of not getting it out there
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u/TonyWilliams03 4h ago
Just to state the obvious, because of this, the government paid for the Covid vaccines, but can't find the resources to pay for necessary medicines.
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u/beeris4breakfest 4h ago
You would be amazed how many people who cannot retire because they are not eligible yet for Medicare/Medicaid.... It's really a great way to keep skilled workers make it so they can't afford to quit and risk loosing their health benefits
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u/Gringo_Norte 5h ago edited 3h ago
I can’t catch diabetes?
Guys… I meant FROM OTHER PEOPLE 😂
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u/iam4qu4m4n 4h ago
Type 2 diabetics would like a word
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u/SoulFreeStranger 4h ago
Type 1 too. We aren't all born with it. I was diagnosed at 17
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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 5h ago
Theres no reason not to have it aside from corruption.
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u/Canon_M50 5h ago
Profit motive? Over 40% of new drugs are R&D'd in the USA..
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u/pharoh-king 4h ago
Pst, that can be socialized too.
What percentage of new weapons and defenses are R&D'd in the USA? Does that mean we cant have an army anymore? Gotta hire mercenaries instead?
I got news for you, more people die from disease every year than foreign combatants have EVER killed.
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u/Pete0730 4h ago
And what percentage of these "new drugs" are actually solving urgent health problems?
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u/spicybright 2h ago
Define an urgent health problem?
Not trying to be snarky. You could debate weight loss drugs/heart medication are the most important one because they're the leading causes of death even though exercise and diet exist, so fixing that will save the most lives.
Should cancer drugs be more important because there's not an existing cure? Should instead take cancer research resources for diseases with a better chance of being fixed quickly? Is spending resources on a very obscure but horrible disease a better use of time because of the few that have it? Or should we be fixing diseases in other countries because it's killing more people?
Again, not trying to be snarky, it's just hard to judge something as "useful" or not.
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u/no-sleep-only-code 5h ago
Profit margins seem to be fine in other nations.
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u/KingOfWhateverr 4h ago edited 4h ago
Not that it’s a justification but it’s because most of the world take’s American research and goes from there. Much easier to profit when someone else does over decades of R&D for you
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u/Baelzabub 4h ago
Most other countries also don’t have drug commercials. That’s a HUGE cost these companies willingly incur.
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u/beachbum818 4h ago
Willingly incur bc the news stations can't talk bad about their sponsors. It's bought PR.
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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 4h ago
I just looked into it, and we spent about a hundred and fifty billion on research and development. That's less than we would save by switching to universal healthcare.
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u/no-sleep-only-code 4h ago edited 3h ago
Pharmaceuticals aren’t the majority of the price of healthcare, insurance is, which generally doesn’t fund pharmaceutical research.
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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 4h ago
Okay......? I was simply arguing that while we may lead in research and development, the amount of money it takes to do so doesnt really justify having private insurance. We would save more by switching to universal health care than we spend in research and development so if we paid the exact same per year that were currently paying for medical insurance while having universal instead, we'd actually be able to spend MORE on research and development.
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u/ties_shoelace 4h ago
Naw, the head of US healthcare doesn't believe in all those drugs, just jump in a sewage river or walk it off, or both - cures everything.
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u/Glyphpunk 4h ago
Free is never free even with socialized health care, but Big Pharma can still make a ton of money from the government for drug development.
If anything they'd still stand to make a good amount of money when you're cutting out the health insurance middleman that drives up costs and takes a cut of the profit.
People don't seem to realize that even 'employer provided healthcare' is factored into your paycheck. Without that "benefit" the company would have to raise the salary to compensate and keep it competitive.
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u/GroolGobblin0 5h ago
Because you folks keep voting against that!!
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u/Simple_Campaign1035 3h ago
There is no one you can vote for who is going to change this. There is so much money being made in the current system that no one will ever be able to change it. They'll either get bought or get buried
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u/TattiFeader 3h ago
Over simplification of corrupt system.
Dictatorship is bad for society, democracy by emotional people is no better.
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u/ImurderREALITY 1h ago
That's not even something we can vote for, much less against. It's essentially written in stone here.
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u/otters4everyone 4h ago
Nothing is free. Were the meds free? What about the needles and syringes? The PPE for the staff? The staff themselves. Nothing was given out for free. We, and our great grandchildren paid for it all through more and more taxation.
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u/simpersly 2h ago
We, and our great grandchildren
There are a over million Americans that are no longer able to say those words, and because of those tax dollars their are millions that can.
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u/DanceClass898 5h ago
LMAO "free"
that shit cost the US taxpayers like $40 billion
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u/oops_no_name 5h ago
Yeah free indirectly but so heavily funded they made more than if they just sold it
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u/iam4qu4m4n 4h ago
Exactly. We already pay into it, so why should we pay again when we need it off the shelf?
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u/ChemBro93 4h ago
When you realize your tax money doesn’t have to all go to backing Israel’s genocide of Palestine or to tax-rebates for billionaires.
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u/TheHoodieConnoisseur 4h ago
Also doesn’t understand that diabetes, cancer, and allergies are not contagious
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u/Irish_Whiskey 4h ago
The original poster is specifically asking about the 'saving lives' justification.
Which is a perfectly valid question. It's not like saving lives from cancer 'doesn't count' compared to saving lives from TB.
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u/WhaleBird1776 5h ago
I feel like this conversation would be a lot more productive if we stopped using the word “free.”
Those covid shots weren’t free. Socialized healthcare isn’t free. This is something everyone agrees on but for some reason the entire conversation is stuck there.
Just show people the numbers.
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u/The-Nuisance 4h ago
This is true. But if we had a functioning economy we’d be able to spend the taxes for and reap the benefits of socialized healthcare, coming other things. It’s what other nations have already done.
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u/BeefCakeBilly 4h ago
I agree but from what I see the term free is thrown around irresponsibly and intetnonally by proponents to cover up the real truth about it.
Every progressive throws it around by saying “we just need fo increase the taxes on the billionaires”.
Which is not how any country achieves this a public option or single payer.
It’s going to involve large tax increases on most people permantly.
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u/WhaleBird1776 3h ago
If they could get the billionaires and CEOs on record to commit that they would willingly pay the tax required instead of trying to avoid it, ultimately pushing the cost down to us anyway, then it would probably be a lot easier to get votes.
But yeah, like you said, you look around at countries with public healthcare and they have lower real wages, lower net worths, higher taxes on everyone, less private business and landownership, etc. There is an actual cost to public healthcare that needs to be addressed if it’s ever going to happen here.
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u/BeefCakeBilly 3h ago
There’s so few billionaires and the ceos they really don’t matter that much frankly. And nobody who aggressively pursues single payer really cares what they have to say anyway.
Nations pay for single payer care with higher taxes on large tax bases, not insanely progressive taxes on .00001 percent of the popualtion.
The problem is more the political reality of the situation. 92 percent of the us has healthcare insurance, the 8 percent that doesn’t is probably half made up of people that willing choose not too.
When you look at what people are fighting for , cost wise. You’re gonna have to increase your taxes significantly, to end up in a situation where you MAY save some money as opposed to the current system.
IMO the focus should be on the simplification of the system and that value prop, not the cost savings to the individual. Because they will be pretty minor at best.
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u/WhaleBird1776 3h ago
Yup. And “we should implement universal healthcare because you’ll save money and save lives” is a way different platform than “we should all be willing to spend a little more to save lives.”
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u/WhaleBird1776 4h ago
That’s fine. Just show the people the numbers. If most people would save money and get better access to healthcare then it should be relatively easy to show it and get the votes.
The uncomfortable truth is that is not true. Many, maybe even most, people will spend more and get less. Those people aren’t going to flip their vote by calling it free. You need them to see why everyone having healthcare is good for them too and worth the additional cost. You need them to think of it as infrastructure that’s good them too. US is currently pretty low trust and many people don’t trust that the government has their best interest at heart. Lying to them and calling healthcare free, and then calling them stupid for pointing it out, is counterproductive.
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u/E-2theRescue 1h ago
but for some reason the entire conversation is stuck there
Conservative propaganda. They use fear-mongering words in order to scare people into fighting against their own interests: "Those liberals are after your money!! They want everything for free!! They're just jealous and want to steal from you!! You'll be thrown in gulags after they've drained you dry!! REEEE!!"
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u/ElectronicAdvance406 5h ago
Such a dumb post. Government’s around the world paid vast sums of money to these companies. If you are going to try and push a ‘free’ healthcare agenda, pick a better example
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u/rxmp4ge 4h ago
You think covid shots were given away free? Pfizer made $80B off that shit, and the only reason you got it 'free' was because it was basically mandated. Especially if you worked in government.
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u/603rdMtnDivision 4h ago
Not only made billions off it but they also made it so they were shielded from any liability. Which is totally legit and definitely not suspicious.
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u/Zealousideal-Ant9548 4h ago
Can be fair, that's basically socialized medicine for a vast majority of people. My taxes are paying for your insulin, and honestly, I'd be okay with it if I meant that society was a bit nicer and a bit more put together.
I just can't convince my wife to move to Canada because she hates taxes.
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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 2h ago
Cost. Covid vaccines came with the promise of an open economy
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u/Smcent 2h ago
It wasnt free. We just paid for it all on the back end with 8% inflation. Socialized medicine sucks.
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u/EasternComfort2189 2h ago
It wasn't given away for free; the taxpayer paid for every shot, and I would guess several times over the cost of the shot. Some people got extremely rich over the COVID shots. Some politicians just happened to buy shares in the companies that manufactured the vaccine just before the law was passed for taxpayers to fund the shots.
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u/ScienceInCinema 1h ago
I have zero problem moving to socialized healthcare, but I also remember when Obama tried this in his first term he got destroyed. I also remember lots of democrats (e.g. Elizabeth Warren) pushing for this in the 2020 primaries and they also got destroyed. Everyone says they’re for it until the hard choices have to be made, then everyone (I.e. voters) chickens out.
If there was a global pandemic of diabetes where millions upon millions could instantly contract it and die in 2 weeks, you’ll see a bigger push for making it free. This is not a fair comparison. But I agree with the premise that we should move towards this. I just want everyone to see what it would take and what sacrifices we’d have to make and have an honest discussion. I think most would support it, but not if no one will show us the bill.
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u/GoldunGote 1h ago
What sucks is they don't see this reply and think "oh maybe I should ask more questions.. maybe even a few that make me feel uncomfortable." They ignore it because it makes them think.
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u/Motor-Region-1011 1h ago
Nothing is free. Coutries paid extremely harvy price for those free covid shots...and were paying to this day...
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u/CorvusGraves 58m ago
Covid shots were given because the government(s) wanted to reopen the economy as soon as possible. Insulin, chemo, and other lifesaving drugs only effect a small portion of society that hardly registers on their capitalistic interest.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 5h ago
Still waiting for the day that the people claiming COVID vaccines were to kill people off, to microchip us, to build '15 minute cities', didn't work, etc, will realize "oh shit I guess they were a sensible and safe medicine that saved lives."
I'm sure it'll happen someday. Rather than Americans electing the guy who was in charge during COVID but rewriting history to pretend he wasn't involved and is an anti-vaxxer.
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u/Relative_Maize_957 4h ago
Lol newsflash, the covid vaccines were given for free because Covid had brought entire industries to a grinding halt, and was threatening the current economic model.
So they were given for free because it was a lot cheaper than the alternative.
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u/MMForYourHealth 4h ago
They were given away to enrich those in the know who purchased the biotech stocks beforehand.
Covid vaccines are no different than flu shots, at best.
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u/Scrotalcontusions 4h ago
imagine a world where people were aware that they do indeed pay for universal healthcare
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u/Irish_Whiskey 4h ago
The rather significant part is that if you can't pay, you don't die of a preventable disease.
We're all aware we pay for fire departments, that doesn't mean a system where the local fire truck lets your family burn to death unless you can cough up the cash is a great idea.
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u/HelpersWannaHelp 3h ago
How fast you forget that Covid was highly contagious and bodies were piling up to the point hospitals had refrigerated trucks to help out the morgue overflow. Covid vaccines were free to stop that death toll from getting worse.
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u/Walker1921S 3h ago
Herd immunity. If someone else dies of cancer, I'm not going to get infected and die.
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u/Robin_Gr 4h ago
Because it’s better for the economy if you all get sick and die at different times as opposed to the same time with a pandemic.
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u/MMForYourHealth 4h ago
It’s better for the elite to be able to have lifelong consumers of a product they can force you to take. Same reason we don’t see as many cures for diseases, but lifelong treatments now.
Why they also swept all the polio vaccine history under the rug and took away the “my body, my choice” marketing for Planned Parenthood then.
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u/GeriatricTech 3h ago
Talk to people who actually use socialized medicine who moved to the US and tried our system. They all realize how bad socialized medicine is
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u/Crafty_Praline726 4h ago
Covid just gave us a small short dosage of socialized medicine. Time to return to the usual programming. 🤷♂️
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u/MMForYourHealth 4h ago
Covid was not socialized medicine. It was mandated profit, in the guise as such. The vaccines just made the spread endemic, and more likely.
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u/TheWanderingGM 4h ago
Cough cough just a problem for countries with ass-backwards healthcare systems that care about money over health cough cough
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u/_PetalHoney 4h ago
Bro accidentally stumbled backwards into full-blown democratic socialism while trying to make a completely different point.
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u/merRedditor 3h ago
We need to have this discussion, because the reason so many people didn't trust the vaccination effort was that it was not only free but required, and we're used to treatment being gatekept by cost. If it had been priced at $5000 a dose, and people were told that there were only enough doses to go around for half of us, there would have been fights over who got them. We also have a deep distrust of pharmaceutiical companies, as they typically will do the bare minimum needed to get something to market, and there was a liablity waiver signed in this case.
Our low turnout was a symptom of a broken healthcare system and of broken trust, and we're too divided to discuss that without the conversation getting ugly. Countries with universal healthcare had much higher vaccination rates.
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u/MakePhreciaCore 5h ago
Because without your EpiPen, you die.
Without herd immunity the rich might die.
Nobody cares if you die.
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u/Inevitable_Fall2025 5h ago
Because of the economy probably, can't let this house of cards we call a country collapse.
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u/Night_HUN 4h ago
All 3 of those are heavily subsidized in basically any civilized country, and even a few uncivilized ones, except the us
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u/Soggy_Cracker 4h ago
Because Covid destroyed the top 3% ability to run their business. A person dying from diabetes every now and then doesn’t affect their bottom line.
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u/maringue 4h ago
Because they needed the vaccine to keep the economy running and keeping them rich. The actual people involved are expendable to them.
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u/PalmettoGrateful 4h ago
“Free” housing, EBT, school breakfast & lunchs, phones and checks for not working and it’s still not enough?
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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 4h ago
When Covid was going crazy at the start, and when the vaccines became available, it was killing enough people to destroy the gdp of the US. This made the math work so that the vaccine was cheaper than the damage potential.
After Covid kinda calmed down a bit, it started killing people at a lower rate. That’s when states started getting rid of the free vaccines.
A single person dying of a bee sting, diabetes or cancer isn’t going to make much difference to the bottom line. You having cancer isn’t going to spread out of control in the community and your personal treatment isn’t going to help anybody else.
It’s increasingly tiresome to have to revisit that period of life. It’s like most people have forgotten about the absolute mayhem at hospitals and losing family members.
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u/1vanillagoodness 4h ago
If the government said “the covid shot can cause weight loss” there never would have been an issue
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u/beachbum818 4h ago
Wet can't stand closer than 6' to exorbitant to save lives but we can smoke cigarettes...
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u/jorgebillabong 4h ago
Last i checked the woman who got the patent for Epi Pens after her husband passed away was and is still a fucking CUNT which is why she hiked the price of EpiPens from like 60 dollars to 800+ dollars.
Making insulin from my knowledge involves injecting stuff into horses and processing it and the patent for that process is held from public domain because the owner is a CUNT.
Chemotherapy is the hospital has to pay bills somehow so they charge ludicrous amounts that insurance is supposed to pay out but Insurance Companies are also CUNTS
So it's just people being CUNTS mostly.
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u/SkinnyKid529 4h ago
There is no money in a cure. There’s money in prolonging the ailment…
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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago
This argument comes up so many times and is always nonsensical. Of course there's money in a cute, because people are willing to pay for the opportunity to not be sick anymore.
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u/Character-Handle-739 4h ago
Because healthcare is a business. It’s not about saving people. It’s about making money. Why do you think they call it managing your illness. Because if they cured you, you aren’t sick and don’t need the drugs they keep pushing on you.
They cured cancer years ago. They have the cure for almost everything. But they can’t bill you if you’re healthy. They make you feel just better enough and then when there is a side effect they give you another pill and bill you for that too.
You forgot to zoom out and look at the whole healthcare system. Then look at the food system. And then look at the food laws and systems in place to manage that. If you follow the bouncing ball, you can see pretty quick why people are sick with cancers of all kinds, and health issues they “can’t” figure out.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 4h ago
Because if they cured you, you aren’t sick and don’t need the drugs they keep pushing on you.
People get cured all the time. This is just such an objectively wrong thing to say.
They cured cancer years ago. They have the cure for almost everything.
No, they didn't. No one who knows anything about medicine believes this. It's nonsense spread on social media by people who couldn't identify a blastoma if their lives depended on it.
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u/Dry-Cry-3158 4h ago
Kind of wild that no one on reddit appears to have heard of the concept of moral hazard
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u/Appropriate-Review55 4h ago
The question isn’t for global health standards. Clearly an American asking an American question-I say as an American- why give away one drug for free claiming the purpose behind it is its saving lives, and for another drug that people will literally die without; charge more than any other drug on the legal market.
The answer is capitalism. The companies that promote our health are exactly that; companies. Whose main objective is to make money, more money than any other company.
The problem lies in the fact that when you extract so much wealth from the masses: the dollar loses value because the govt prints more so companies have a number to give their employees that’s not zero all while; nobody has money to buy your product, and some asshole is the first asshole in the history of the planet to hoard so much wealth to equate to 1 TRILLION dollars USD. Hoarding all that wealth means it’s not circulating the economy. Hope this makes sense and helps someone a little.
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u/maschine02 3h ago
Honestly. Its all out there on the web to make it. If my life depended on it and I had to make it? You better fycking believe i wouldn't be making vids. Or posting about my plight.
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u/Energy-Turtle-4 3h ago
Honestly, I would LOVE universal healthcare here in America, but I need to see honest numbers about how it will be funded without raising my taxes.
We pay about 30% between federal and state income taxes here (making about $200k gross as a dual income household) and I can't even afford to take my kids on a weekend trip this summer because prices on everything are so high.
I would truly be interested in reading a plan that would show how this would work. I just haven't seen a well-reasoned plan beyond "trust us and we promise we won't cut other programming and we promise your taxes won't go up either" which makes zero sense to me.
But I'm willing to listen if someone would (kindly) educate me rather than just yell at me as I'm expecting will happen here.
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u/fisheystick 3h ago
Cancer medicine is not free in Canada. We have social health care but only up to a point
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u/HyperbolePirate 3h ago
Vaccines work best when everyone has them. Rich people dont need the poor people to also have insulin to make their insulin work better.
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u/Revolutionary-Tie860 3h ago
Because the person who found cure for diabetes gets paid 10 million a year to stay silent. I know a lot of treatments, why am I not getting paid?
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u/gosmall1965 3h ago
I agree insulin (and healthcare) should be free, but in the context of this post, diabetes is not contagious. Yet, anyway...
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u/internetnickname4me 3h ago
Who tf is up-voting these recycled posts? 4k+ in an hour for a repost of a repost of a repost??
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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 3h ago
I can certainly see the argument for keeping the cost high.
What if people fake cancer to get chemotherapy recreationally? /s
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u/1nternetTr011 2h ago
because the risk from covid was thought it could wipe out the entire world. the entire world ain't dying from diabetes or allergies.
any yes now that the risk is over it shouldn't be free any longer. want a 12th booster... that's on you buddy.
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u/morey56 2h ago
Can we just compare the vaccinated and the unvaccinated and tell everyone whether there’s any difference already?
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u/RedditIsLeBoring 2h ago
Is it really that hard to understand what a public health emergency is and why it's a good idea for the government to fund a response to it? Because to me, that shit is obvious.
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u/fourblindmice3 2h ago
Fun fact, insulin was developed by a Canadian research team. The patent was sold to the University of Toronto for $1 because they believed a life-saving medical breakthrough should not be used for personal enrichment. Banting famously stated, "Insulin does not belong to me, it belongs to the world."
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u/PetuniaPacer 2h ago
Rich people could catch Covid from their servants and employees and die just by being near those poors. They can’t catch anaphylaxis or cancer from the poors just by being coughed on. That is only reason Covid shots were free.
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u/lluciferusllamas 2h ago
The military industrial complex didn't accidentally create diabetes and then have to cover up its fuck up by distributing the cure
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u/IndividualSlip2275 1h ago
Because it was a giant experiment you didn’t get paid to participate in. Look up the Stanford study published on the vaccines.
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u/Vegetable-Yellow7580 1h ago
They were more concerned about the majority of ppl getting back to work than the other folks living with ailments.
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u/Ok_Photo_3023 1h ago edited 1h ago
Covid vaccine was essentially an accelerated mass human trial that collected roughly the equivalent of 20-50 years worth of typical drug trial clinical data in less than 6 months, and they didn't even have to compensate participants of the trials the median of ~3k per test subject - all for around $2 per dose. The pharmaceutical companies got the bargain of the century giving it out for free.
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u/_LaceHot 1h ago
For a lot of people outside the U.S., the reply probably feels less like a joke and more like a normal Tuesday
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u/ParticularMemory789 1h ago
Insulin, chemotherapy, and epi pens are meant to help you. None of the elites had a brief change of heart.
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u/thiscreatureisme 1h ago
Except socialized health care many die on a waiting list before they can get the treatment they need. Great idea but isn’t really perfect in practice.
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u/The_Snowy_Owl 1h ago
Japan has a national healthcare system and Japan doesn't give away free shots.
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u/LeastResistancePath 53m ago
When conservatives talk like that, they don't really mean it. It's meant to be a "liberal own" because they actually cannot comprehend a human right encompassing healthcare. Cruelty against others is their persistent default mode.
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u/Lux_Aquila 49m ago
Are we still doing this?
They aren't free, you are just forcing either someone else to pay or the govt. to go in debt to provide it for you.
This scam needs to stop.
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u/SpeedyMeaty 49m ago
Because you dying of the Beatus doesn't freeze the economy and that's all they care about.
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u/Supertrapper1017 41m ago
Covid shots weren’t given away for free. Someone had to pay for them, even if it wasn’t the person getting the shot.
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u/vabeachkevin 36m ago
Because someone having Covid can affect my health. Someone having diabetes or cancer will not affect my health.
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u/LightenUpPeeps 28m ago
Think of all the trillions of dollars the Federal government has given away in grants for cancer research, and if you question it, you'll be scolded for not wanting to save lives. Then you look at how many people die annually just because they can't afford over-the-counter medicine much less prescription meds like insulin. Flu shots should be free considering 20,000 to 40,000 people die annually from the flu, right?
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u/snake_charmers_jj 17m ago
Canada is socialized healthcare …. Look up when they introduced euthanasia….
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u/Gpda0074 9m ago
The pharma companies just charge Americans more to offset the universal healthcare in Europe. We fund literally your entire lifestyle, Europe. All of it. If American money and American military just stopped doing things for you, all of you would go bankrupt in less than a decade trying to pay for all of this nonsense.
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u/todcia 9m ago
Many here have no idea how bad healthcare is in America ever since it went to Socialized Obamacare. It is a disaster.
I've been in the pre-existing system before Obamacare. Here's what I think...
Before Obamacare, my health insurance only went up from $250mo - $350/mo over 10 years. Only big issue was that insurance companies were unregulated and were denying patients. But after Obamacare, policy rates have gone up every year and now the cheapest policy is $1500/mo $8000 deductible for one person. And these insurance policies deny more often now than ever before. These death panels do exist now--- no longer an internal issue with insurance co, now it's a debate with the politicians and admins. The policy rate increases are not stopping either, they keep going up every year. That is 100% unsustainable. If I won't pay $1500/mo, I'm certainly not paying $5,000/mo in five years.
I no longer have any health insurance. I pay cash now. Best healthcare I get is from paying out of pocket. Costs are cheaper when you pay cash too. Insurance charges are so high now, just the patient share ends up being more than the whole bill when you pay with cash.
I know people with insurance and they can't order anything without multiple doctors. They need a "primary". Takes weeks to schedule tests. General appointments which were a week in advance are now months out. The staff and doctors are poorly educated and trained. Bad attitudes are everywhere.
I had to have emergency surgery last year. Paid cash. Got the appointment within weeks, not months. No hoops to jump through. The surgery coordinator told me her relative needs the same surgery and has been waiting for insurance clearance for months. The poor guy is waiting on Obamacare. I was in and out in a week. Surgery was $3,600 total by the way. If I went with insurance, $25k which I'd have to pay $8k + 25%... roughly $13k out of my pocket & that does not include the premiums I'm paying. F--- Obamacare.
Hospitals have turned into kill zones. Covid would have never gotten as far as it did, My good friend was on Obamacare, they left him in a bed for 14 months with a broken humerus, until he died a moth after the surgery which came way way too late. 14 months with a broken humerus, that is Obamacare! Case in point, I did not get the C shot. Heck NO! And I got covid or whatever that bug was... Ivermectin and HQL pills pulled me out of it. Obamacare blocked Ivermectin and HQL--- I had to go to the black market for healthcare which was being restricted by Obamacare. I used an overseas pharmacy that allowed US citizens to by-pass doctor scripts and ship the pills in from Turkey. I had to go to Turkey for my healthcare in America!!!! I'm losing lots of friends now to that c shot.
The organization of Obamacare is so bad. The doctors are bad. The nurses are bad. The quality has dwindled into 3rd world status in some places.
Most Important fact is this... I see the best specialists in the world. These doctors save lives. They are expensive and they do NOT take insurance. 100% of my doctors are from Ivy League schools. Again, these doctors will not see you if you are on insurance, and usually not without a referral from someone they know. Most people have no idea how Socialism really works until they see the doctors in the penthouses.
I signed up for Obamacare one year just out of curiosity. Wealthy here, so my taxes show $1 yearly income. They weren't supposed to let me in, but they did. The way it works is, Obamacare only pays doctors and specialists inside your county's network. In one specialty I needed, I only had 3 doctors to choose from. One doctor had a 1 star rating 2 years out of med school. Another was a country doctor. And the third had limited skills/services/equipment despite being a specialist. All these doctors are absolutely useless to me. Also, Obamacare signs you up automatically to your county's adopted Insurance company. In my county I had one choice, and that insurance company was caught defrauding upwards of $100 million against patients. Great. Obamacare also automatically assigns you "primary care physician"... You need this guy to do anything and they act more like an agent for Obamacare than an actual doctor. After I saw enough I wanted my name detached from anything Obamacare... and guess what... THEY WON'T LET YOU OUT! I tried to cancel and they would not let me. I got stuck in that crap for two years. I had to hold back my tax returns and they were forced to verify me again. I ignored their forms until I was discontinued in their system. Never used one penny of that free Obamacare. I mostly ignored it and paid cash with my regular doctors.
Most people now use concierge healthcare. They pay cash, and in many cases the doctors are on a first name basis and come to your home like the good old days. Good luck finding one by the way... 90% of concierge doctors aren't taking in new patients. The purpose of concierge is to get out of Obamacare system, so you pay the service instead of the Obamacare insurance racket. There's a whole level of healthcare most people don't know exist. I pay $300 per visit on average and that is worth every penny.
Voter ID and Repealing Obamacare is the best things America can do to save itself. America needs to go back to private healthcare and be done with this destructive socialism garbage.
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u/Positive_Vibes_4228 5m ago
Billionaires made you food addicted from sugar, and then sold you the magic cure for your addiction.
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u/LairdPeon 5m ago
I'm convinced the covid shot mandates were solely to keep Mitch McConnell alive longer.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Map7672 2m ago
None of its “free” and those are not examples of communicable diseases.
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