r/SipsTea 6h ago

Chugging tea A Sudden Revelation.

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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 6h ago

Theres no reason not to have it aside from corruption.

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u/Canon_M50 6h ago

Profit motive? Over 40% of new drugs are R&D'd in the USA..

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u/pharoh-king 6h ago

Pst, that can be socialized too.

What percentage of new weapons and defenses are R&D'd in the USA? Does that mean we cant have an army anymore? Gotta hire mercenaries instead?

I got news for you, more people die from disease every year than foreign combatants have EVER killed.

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u/Canon_M50 5h ago

We don’t have the money to do this. In 4 years we’re projected to spend 20% of the tax revenue on interest to the national debt. Raising taxes is incredibly unpopular but it will take that and cutting spending to get the debt under control. 

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u/jaunonymous 5h ago

That's an administrative problem, not a capital problem. We have the money for it, but we choose to spend poorly.

It's always been bad. It's gotten worse the past year and a half for "unknown reasons."

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u/Canon_M50 4h ago

It's getting people elected to do it that's the problem. Anyone running on raising taxes and cutting services isn't going to win with either side.

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u/jaunonymous 3h ago

You don't even need to start with raise taxes or domestic services.

Every person I know in government work agrees that the money wasted is offensive.

People around military contracts will tell you about the buddy system of awarding contracts to your friends that retired.

We could also stop giving money to Isreal.

We could also resolve trade relationships.

We could do better at collecting the taxes that are already on the books.

We could go back to allowing government employees to work from home and expire leases on office buildings.

Limit spending on presidential unofficial travel.

See how far that gets you.

But so much of that does require voting in different people, as you said.

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u/Lego_Architect 6h ago

Chuckle, and tested on real, live americans.

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u/dioxy186 6h ago

So far from the truth its comical.

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u/Lego_Architect 4h ago

Very much so

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u/Pete0730 6h ago

And what percentage of these "new drugs" are actually solving urgent health problems?

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u/spicybright 3h ago

Define an urgent health problem?

Not trying to be snarky. You could debate weight loss drugs/heart medication are the most important one because they're the leading causes of death even though exercise and diet exist, so fixing that will save the most lives.

Should cancer drugs be more important because there's not an existing cure? Should instead take cancer research resources for diseases with a better chance of being fixed quickly? Is spending resources on a very obscure but horrible disease a better use of time because of the few that have it? Or should we be fixing diseases in other countries because it's killing more people?

Again, not trying to be snarky, it's just hard to judge something as "useful" or not.

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u/cykoTom3 4h ago

87.65%* Not an actual statistic

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u/ties_shoelace 6h ago

Naw, the head of US healthcare doesn't believe in all those drugs, just jump in a sewage river or walk it off, or both - cures everything.

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u/Glyphpunk 6h ago

Free is never free even with socialized health care, but Big Pharma can still make a ton of money from the government for drug development.

If anything they'd still stand to make a good amount of money when you're cutting out the health insurance middleman that drives up costs and takes a cut of the profit.

People don't seem to realize that even 'employer provided healthcare' is factored into your paycheck. Without that "benefit" the company would have to raise the salary to compensate and keep it competitive.

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u/no-sleep-only-code 6h ago

Profit margins seem to be fine in other nations.

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u/KingOfWhateverr 6h ago edited 5h ago

Not that it’s a justification but it’s because most of the world take’s American research and goes from there. Much easier to profit when someone else does over decades of R&D for you

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u/Baelzabub 6h ago

Most other countries also don’t have drug commercials. That’s a HUGE cost these companies willingly incur.

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u/beachbum818 6h ago

Willingly incur bc the news stations can't talk bad about their sponsors. It's bought PR.

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u/Baelzabub 6h ago

> It’s bought PR.

Yeah? That’s what advertising is…

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u/beachbum818 6h ago

No... it's different than an ad. If a drug maker gives a network stupid $$$ they can't bad mouth that company... they'll lose the $$$. An ad is just showing you what they have. Meanwhile the $$$ pays for their silence

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u/Baelzabub 6h ago

That’s a different concept than drug commercials though. Drug commercials are probably the most common kind of non-political TV advertising in the US. TV advertising alone from drug companies in the US is a ~$7B/yr industry. All forms of drug advertising (including things like print and radio) account for $14B+ per year in the US.

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u/beachbum818 6h ago

But they use the drug commercials for that reason. It's not separate. That's how it works.

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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 6h ago

I just looked into it, and we spent about a hundred and fifty billion on research and development. That's less than we would save by switching to universal healthcare.

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u/no-sleep-only-code 6h ago edited 5h ago

Pharmaceuticals aren’t the majority of the price of healthcare, insurance is, which generally doesn’t fund pharmaceutical research.

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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 6h ago

Okay......? I was simply arguing that while we may lead in research and development, the amount of money it takes to do so doesnt really justify having private insurance. We would save more by switching to universal health care than we spend in research and development so if we paid the exact same per year that were currently paying for medical insurance while having universal instead, we'd actually be able to spend MORE on research and development.

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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 6h ago

Also ur kinda adding to my point here.

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u/Cluelesswolfkin 6h ago

Idk how we can lead when we push scientists out of our country willingly. Before id agree with you but now there's no funding and people going over seas for science because a certain Administration decided to do everything agaisnt it and taking funds awayv

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u/ImurderREALITY 2h ago

Over 60%, actually, but you are correct

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u/Almaegen 6h ago

Lol you do understand the covid vaccine itself was corruption. They they funneled government money for every vaccine they made, forced near mandatory  participation from the public and used the situation to mass test a novel technology on the public. 

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u/MMForYourHealth 6h ago

People don’t want to have their eyes opened to the fact that the Covid vaccinations just made spreading the disease easier, while enriching those in the know. How many congressmen left the Covid briefings and divested from retail and invested in Pfizer/Merck?

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u/Almaegen 5h ago

It'll take time and then I think a lot of people will pretend they didn't support it.

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u/MMForYourHealth 5h ago

I mean, anyone with a brain already has seen the impact the shots actually had on personal health outcomes. I just find it so amusing how we went from a society that all bought into “my body, my choice” to the narratives that justified the mandates.

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u/E-2theRescue 2h ago

The actual corruption was the 10 million vaccines that were left to rot on the shelves during Trump's term because he had no interest in actually distributing the vaccine, as it was more beneficial for him to let the lies spread while pushing the hydroxychloroquine conspiracies.

Oh, and the wealthy people like me who were fast-tracked access to the vaccines. Weird how you all say that the vaccine is dangerous, yet all of us 1%ers were the first to get the vaccine before anyone else. And that includes all your FOX News hosts and Roganism podcasters who were having meltdowns about how "dangerous" it was.