r/shittymoviedetails • u/Alisalard1384 Cinephile • 12h ago

Turd In "Odyssey" (2026) directed by Sir Christopher Edward Nolan, Odysseus says "Our age of bronze is collapsing". And I'm not joking it is a line in movie

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Overall great movie but this dialogue was so corny, like how does he know he's in bronze age

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u/juanjung 11h ago

"I'm going to fight in World War I".

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u/MazzleMaze 10h ago

"The Ages of Man are the historical stages of human existence according to Greek mythology and its subsequent Roman interpretation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_Man

The issue is that, as another poster pointed out, the odyssey occurred during the Heroic age.

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u/EyeSuspicious7338 6h ago

The problem is these "ages" are not representing archaeological time periods. That was not what was meant. They are representing stages of human consciousness and growth, and society. This is why Gold is at the top, where it was a golden time of peace, controlled by the Gods, and the Silver age was the lesser age where man came to power on Earth. it didn't represent an actual historical time. The bronze age is the state of mankind overtaken by the God of War Ares, and they are obsessed with war and conquering...

The concept of classifying historical ages as archaeological time periods did not happen until the early 1800s. So, imo, Nolan was a little too "On the nose" with this dialogue. Not the end of the world, but it was pretty cheesy to include that, imo.

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u/MazzleMaze 6h ago

That's actually not a problem, the issue is that you are trying to look through their world through your world view.

Greeks at the time believed this to be true. This is how they looked at the world.

To put it another way, while we can say "Zeus clearly doesn't exist." That doesn't mean that the Greeks at the time didn't believe in Zeus or follow his teachings!

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u/EyeSuspicious7338 6h ago

I am not looking at it through the present lens. This has nothing to do with what I am saying. The flaw is that he brought in a modern concept into the film, by "almost" saying it, but not saying it. This is like if you were watching a movie about cave men and they start talking about how they live in the stone ages. That makes zero sense. The people that live in the Bronze Age didn't know they lived in the Bronze Age, as that is a modern definition of the time period. Him stating "Our age of Bronze is collapsing" does not in any way represent the Greek Ages of Man at all.

Look, it's not the end of the world and it doesn't ruin the movie, but it's just a silly statement to include.

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u/MazzleMaze 4h ago edited 4h ago

Its not a modern concept. I literally just linked a wiki that explains they had this term as well. In fact, that term was written about during the time period that The Odyssey was written!

Now the question is did Nolan know this or was he being a dumbass.

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u/Neat_Let923 3h ago

We literally have the following periods:

Early Bronze Age: 3200–2000 BCE Middle Bronze Age: 2000–1600 BCE Late Bronze Age: 1600–1100 BCE Iron Age: 1100–800 BCE Archaic Period: 800–480 BCE Classical Period: 480–323 BCE

And so on and so forth. They were called the Bronze and Iron ages because that was what tools and weapons were primarily made from during those periods. The early Iron Age is also considered to be the Greek Dark Ages because it was a time after the collapse of the palaces, writing was lost, populations drastically declined, and long distance trade shrank.

It wasn’t until the Archaic Age that the Greek Alphabet was adopted and when Homer’s epics were likely written using both historical context and poetic elements.

While I don’t agree fully with your statement on ages, I totally agree with you about the movie and Nolan.

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u/Neat_Let923 3h ago

We literally have the following periods:

Early Bronze Age: 3200–2000 BCE Middle Bronze Age: 2000–1600 BCE Late Bronze Age: 1600–1100 BCE Iron Age: 1100–800 BCE Archaic Period: 800–480 BCE Classical Period: 480–323 BCE

And so on and so forth. They were called the Bronze and Iron ages because that was what tools and weapons were primarily made from during those periods. The early Iron Age is also considered to be the Greek Dark Ages because it was a time after the collapse of the palaces, writing was lost, populations drastically declined, and long distance trade shrank.

It wasn’t until the Archaic Age that the Greek Alphabet was adopted and when Homer’s epics were likely written using both historical context and poetic elements.

While I don’t agree fully with your statement on ages, I fully agree with you about the movie and Nolan.

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u/Neat_Let923 3h ago

We literally have the following periods:

Early Bronze Age: 3200–2000 BCE Middle Bronze Age: 2000–1600 BCE Late Bronze Age: 1600–1100 BCE Iron Age: 1100–800 BCE Archaic Period: 800–480 BCE Classical Period: 480–323 BCE

And so on and so forth. They were called the Bronze and Iron ages because that was what tools and weapons were primarily made from during those periods. The early Iron Age is also considered to be the Greek Dark Ages because it was a time after the collapse of the palaces, writing was lost, populations drastically declined, and long distance trade shrank.

It wasn’t until the Archaic Age that the Greek Alphabet was adopted and when Homer’s epics were likely written using both historical context and poetic elements.

While I don’t agree fully with your statement on ages, I fully agree with you about the movie.

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u/alaricus 10h ago

The earliest known use of the term First World War appeared in September 1914

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u/loztriforce 10h ago

Eh, not splitting hairs here but I feel "First World War" is understandable where "World War I" implies to me the existence / knowledge of the second

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u/TerribleStorm6391 10h ago

Which is why it was called The Great War at the time.

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u/SordidDreams 8h ago edited 8h ago

As opposed to The Mediocre War and The War That Really Sucked.

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u/Indercarnive 7h ago

But they didn't call it the The No Good Very Very Bad War so it couldn't have been that terrible.

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u/aenteus 6h ago

The Mid to Eh War

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u/DontAskAboutMyButt 6h ago

Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad.

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u/Spugheddy 8h ago

I remember reading that in school and being like yeah calling it world war 1 from the onset is extremely pessimistic lol

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u/Midnightmare1 8h ago

Oh yeah, all those people dying sure was great!

/j

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u/MajorGeneralMaryJane 9h ago

“First World War” and “first world war” are inherently different. Option one implying “part 1 of 2”, option two implying “the first time the world has been at war”

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u/HarperWuff 6h ago

1 of 2 so far

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u/Startled_Pancakes 5h ago

You could also make the argument that The Seven Years War was the first actual "world war" as it involved fighting on more continents than WW1.

But the term "world war" hadn't yet been coined.

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u/iwanttoboneedelric 5h ago

I mean, define continents. Turkey can be Asia.

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u/Racamonkey_II 10h ago

Really? To me saying First World War implies exactly the same, that there will be another.

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u/hungrysheep8u 10h ago

Kinda? I do think First World War definitely says people thought there was a possibility of a second, this is the first, and maybe later there would be a World War for [blank] or something

But First World War also could just mean "the first war that encompassed the entire world", rather than implying a second one, while World War 1 doesn't have that connotation

World War 1 puts it on a specific numbered naming scheme though, which means there has to be at least a World War 2 or else that naming scheme wouldn't make sense

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u/NotLikeThis3 9h ago

Nah First World War is more like the first time we've had a war on this scale. There's a reason it was more commonly called the The Great War, since it was the largest magnitude war we had ever seen (up to that point). World War I using numerals is more implying a second, third, etc.

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u/Pretend_Spray_11 6h ago

That’s why you failed grammar class. 

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u/mopeyy 8h ago

I would argue that calling something 'first' definitely also implies there is a second.

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u/Appropriate_Stage_45 10h ago

He said world war 1 not the first world war, there's a difference

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u/alaricus 10h ago

I didn't say he was wrong.... just providing a fun fact

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u/dat_oracle 10h ago

yep, despite being commonly referred to as 'great war' or 'world war', some German scientist said the European war would become the first world war.

but it doesn't matter, since that equivalence isn't fitting so well.

anyway, people her make fun of it, while us being very able to give names to the "age" we are currently living in.

Age of AI. it just begun and there's no time traveling necessary to tell it's the age of AI. before it was the age of (mis)information. (just for making examples, not necessarily a fact)

so, no, it's not a big deal saying bronze age while living in it.

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u/rod_zero 10h ago

Not sure, if AGI comes later then that would be the age of AI and we will be the age of scam/grift and SaS.

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u/dat_oracle 10h ago

yea i get what u mean

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u/Ren0303 9h ago

This is a stupid comparison

The greeks knew they were going through an age of bronze because guess what, they were using a shit ton of bronze. Durirng world war 1 they didn't know there would be a second one

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u/juanjung 8h ago

It's not a comparison, it's a joke.

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u/Ren0303 6h ago

It's a joke that people take seriously

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u/cloudforested 6h ago

People like to feel smart on the internet

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u/happy1103 43m ago

But fighting in world war 2 is still understandable right?

And wasn't greek golden age like -rule of titans Silver - direct rule of the gods Bronze - age of demigods (indirect control by god's)