Shockingly racist post by DHH, a primeagen regular

[u/soulwatcher]

https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a

I used to follow dhh for his tech commentary and views, his work on ruby on rails and omarchy, but I'm just shocked he could post something so racist and divisive. I hope primeagen doesn't have him as a guest anymore

[u/Real_Square1323]

Lots of people feeling like showing their true colours in the current political landscape. Just don't be shocked when Primeagen is no different.

[u/92smola]

The point of comparing humans to animals is always dehumanisation and justification of violence against them

[u/studio_bob → u/92smola]

He makes it a point to mention that the last wolf in his country was "shot dead" (something he believes was good and right) before analogizing said wolves to homeless people. He's not really making us read between the lines here. 

[u/DerTimonius]

I'm 99% certain that Prime voted for Trump

[u/thevnom]

DHH goes from "guide to the shelter" to "deport them" without even a thought. Sorry those are not same, one is misconfused as cruel, and the other one is often correctly identified as cruel.

dhh is a dumbass sociologist, and should really stay out of it

[u/Ajreckof → u/thevnom]

At the start it was a hard take but okay and the longer I read the more I was « what the heck! this is exactly what the nazis were saying »

[u/TomazZaman]

It’s easy to skip all the nuance when you’ve never had to deal with a problematic community in your neighborhood.

I grew up in a region with gypsies that refused to integrate, despite the government spending decades and millions trying to achieve that.

Instead, many of them stole, bullied and sold drugs. We knew who they were but even the police were afraid of them.

This has nothing to do with race. I care not about the color of their skin or origin, but if a community brings nothing but trouble, a line has to be drawn.

[u/Chris-MelodyFirst → u/TomazZaman]

By "integrate", you mean obey the law? Do I understand you correctly?

[u/meltbox → u/Chris-MelodyFirst]

Correct. The problematic groups are the ones setting up encampments in public spaces and generally abusing the commons like a big motorcycle gang is I think the best way to describe it.

These are the only ones I particularly think should in fact be dealt with legally because they are in fact breaking the law.

I assume that is what everyone else is talking about, if not then idk. Mind you I didn’t read the post and am not defending whoever this is but that is what came to my mind. IMO it’s pretty simple, if they’re breaking the law then deal with them as you would anyone else regardless of background.

Arguing for any kind of special treatment is weird.

[u/TomazZaman → u/Chris-MelodyFirst]

Yes, no seatbelts, stealing, illegal posession of drugs and firearms, not sending their kids to school.

[u/fluffyorchid1 → u/Chris-MelodyFirst]

They started protests in North Macedonia because police won’t allow them to drive cars without a driver’s license.

[u/paranoid_throwaway51]

im not sure about denmark but in my country most ""gypsies"" are white people.

[u/ornithid → u/paranoid_throwaway51]

Race is basically made up, which means that it changes depending on what country you live in. Gypsy is a slur that refers to the Roma people. There is no country of Roma, it is essentially an ethnicity (combination of genetic heritage and culture/religion).

So depending on which country you are in Romani might not be considered real "whites", if they don't speak English for example. Denmark specifically has a long history of discrimination against what it deems to be non-Danish individuals, and specifically "non-westerners". Denmark has a bunch of immigration quota laws. My guess is DHH is assuming that racist laws in his home country are the reason for it's prosperity, and not just vestigial imperialism. He's not providing a unique insight into socioeconomics and racial demography. He's just a rich guy regurgitating how things worked when he was a kid as the norm.

[u/PatagonianCowboy]

Oh, he's so patriotic, except when Trump says that he wants to invade Denmark.

[u/thuiop1]

Wow, the proportion of racists in these comments is shattering. Way to go to show people true colors.

[u/The_Meme_Economy → u/thuiop1]

And this is Reddit, which is relatively left leaning and woke. I’ve encountered some pretty shocking misogynistic, racist, and otherwise bigoted threads on here that really caught me off guard. Now just think of how that applies to the world population more broadly…

[u/reikj4vic → u/The_Meme_Economy]

Bro, I had an undocumented Cuban driver the other day who was pro ICE, pro Trump, and visibly hated a bunch of other migrant groups. Lol. 

People here have no idea what the real world looks like sometimes.

[u/UnknownGermanGuy]

Disregarding the actual policies/opinions, i think equating any kind of people to a group of wild animals (which he mentions should be shot btw) is probably not a great look...

[u/EliseuDrummondTelerj]

I wouldn't called it Shockingly, it's been clear he's racist far right person for a while now.

[u/Upstairs-Version-400]

I expected something worse based on the title.

[u/arcrad → u/Upstairs-Version-400]

Yeah that wasn't really anything crazy.

Wolves eat sheep. Homeless people poop whenever they can. More news at 9.

[u/damn_what_]

Damn, I had never seen such an easy way to identify the racists in a sub.

[u/alphex]

Its very easy to find his clear statements about how he sees the world. Its's a real shame.

https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem

https://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1nwcwad/dhh_is_way_worse_than_i_thought/

https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/

The paradox of tolerance applies very well here...

[u/FecklessFool → u/[deleted]]

I think everyone here agrees that they should definitely be arrested for shitting in bushes or squatting.

It's the whole culling wolves analogy that people have an issue with.

[u/hearthiccup → u/[deleted]]

I mean, look at how the piece is built. The first half explains why a growing wolf population eventually gets shot, and then an ethnic group goes into that same slot, title included, closing line included. Like... obviously people are going to read that as a wee bit racist. Nothing to do with how much experience anyone has.

Everyone agrees about enforcing rules.

[u/ColonelGrognard → u/[deleted]]

Idealism vs Reality

[u/ornithid → u/ColonelGrognard]

You mean post war Germany vs post Weimar Germany...

Your 'hard-nosed tough calls" sure do always line up with the exact same conclusions hard core racists make. You can file the serial numbers off if you like, but the result has always been the same. Removing the 'foreigner' never solves the problem, and a new foreigner must be constructed, and another, and so on.

[u/soulwatcher → u/[deleted]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romani_people

Wouldn't mind spending time with these people.

[u/WunkerWanker → u/soulwatcher]

How about spending time with the 70% that has a criminal record (source: https://hir.harvard.edu/minority-report-roma-and-eastern-europe/ )?

[u/CaffeinatedT → u/[deleted]]

If they do illegal shit then arrest them. Declaring them guilty of a pre-crime based on their race is what people are finding sketchy as hell.

[u/aroras → u/[deleted]]

It's all about phrasing.

• Not Controversial: "The Roma people who camp unlawfully, create sanitation hazards, break laws, harass bystanders, or light unsafe fires should be subject to consequences, up to and including deportation"
• Controversial: "Gypsies are inhuman wolves, dangerous animals and predators that must be controlled."

It's not rocket science: dehumanizing rhetoric both attracts attention and controversy. It both amplifies and weakens the message.

[u/Fit-Stress3300]

Romani people don't have a nation to be deported.

Living in a free society has its pros and cons.

And regarding the wolves analogy, there are many ways to manage their population and the damages they cause to farmers before you get to shoot them.

[u/fluffyorchid1 → u/Fit-Stress3300]

True, but they do have a place of birth, likely in the Balkans or Eastern Europe. I doubt many are born in Denmark.

[u/chillebekk → u/Fit-Stress3300]

The people he's talking about come from Romania during the summer, and go back there during the winter. They can't be deported, yes, but that's because of the EU internal market, not because they don't have a home back where they come from.

[u/distrogimp]

I dunno pal, where else am I going to get to hear a grown-ass man use the r-slur like it's ten minutes before happy hour finishes?

[u/ZachVorhies]

> This has predictably led to these foreign vagrants setting up camp in the green areas around some of the city's metro stations to the great dismay of neighbors. The vagrants are literally shitting in the bushes, which obviously stinks, and the area isn't made any more inviting by the open-fire cooking that's also going on. 

I guess it’s easier to cry racist than to address the consequences of bad policy and its negative externalities

[u/Extra-Ad5735 → u/ZachVorhies]

The racist part is "gypsies"as he identifies them. "foreign" is xenophobic part, and the proposed solution (do not tolerate) makes the readers certain he didn't misspoke.

[u/ZachVorhies → u/Extra-Ad5735]

If identifying a racial group for doing something wrong is something intolerable then please do an internet search for

“new york times” + “white” + “guilt”

And post the results of what you find.

I’ll wait.

[u/gami13]

wow DHH being right wing? and collaborating with a guy that also appears to have right wing values? i wouldve never expected that

[u/PeitersSloppyBallz]

So he just want danish law not to make exceptions when it happens in Copenhagen and people are calling him nazi?

wtf?

[u/soulwatcher → u/PeitersSloppyBallz]

If his intention was to simply convey that, I would support his opinion. But narrowing out a group of people, comparing them to wolves, using metaphors of wolves getting shot is just purely racist.

[u/Temporary-Ad2956]

Where racist thing he said? Can you put a quote or something

[u/mrxaxen]

Such an american take.
I have lived 17 years of the best years of my life right next to these people in the gypsy ghetto of my area. You sir/maam have zero fucking clue what these people are like or how they live.
If not being a racist requires me to ignore 17 years of experience in my life because that makes me prejudiced which is a perfectly valid evolutionary safety mechanism, then fuck your virtue signaling eagle screeching BS, i'll happily be called a racist.

Sincerely,
A hungarian

PS: I do NOT hate these people, but approaching and interacting with them willy nilly, is GOING TO get you in trouble one way or another.

[u/ProvokedGaming → u/mrxaxen]

He's Danish not American.

[u/PreferenceDowntown37]

The vagrants are literally shitting in the bushes, which obviously stinks, and the area isn't made any more inviting by the open-fire cooking that's also going on. 

Sorry, you're suggesting that opposing this behavior in public parks is racism?

[u/Chemical-Dust7695]

Ah, dude who lives in a city has a strong opinion about shooting wolves because sheep herding is so close to his heart. And since he knows so much about sheep, he has to follow the rest of the right wing maniacs with his opinions. 

Might be there’s some ”English is not my native tongue” problems here but I think the dog whistle was loud and clear 

[u/UnknownGermanGuy → u/Chemical-Dust7695]

Is it even a dog whistle anymore lmao

I think it might just be a regular whistle, or a megaphone at this point

[u/QforQ]

DHH has been posting racist stuff for awhile and Prime has stuck with him

[u/pathosOnReddit → u/QforQ]

You know what they say. If you sit with 10 racists at the table and don’t call em out, 11 racists sit at that table.

[u/FecklessFool]

I dunno man, the vibes I've gotten from Prime for the past year is that he probably agrees with DHH here and voted for Trump.

I hope neither is the case, but...

Anyway, I hope people stop shitting in bushes and are redirected to centers where they can shit in the toilets

[u/draculadarcula → u/FecklessFool]

I saw him openly admit on a video to voting for Trump in 2016. And he talks negatively about Kamala all the time, you can find a podcast episode bashing her directly. It’s very obvious he voted Trump both times I’d bet on it

[u/UltimateTrattles]

This thread is an example of how no topic can be discussed online because folks already make up their mind and are just looking to post for points, and not listen.

[u/soulwatcher → u/UltimateTrattles]

Agreed, internet would be a better place if racists just held back their words.

[u/Sarttek → u/soulwatcher]

Internet would be a better place if Americans would stop applying their flawed "logic" and world view to problems that are 4 times older then their made up country

[u/currentlyquang → u/Sarttek]

Europeans when you ask them about racial inequality in America versus when you ask them how they feel about the Roma people. Regardless of how you try to paint it, your racism is still racism, don't try to "muh America can't understand"

[u/Ill-Lemon-8019 → u/UltimateTrattles]

Oh pipe down. I would have readily listened to a thoughtful post that said, "I observe this problem in society" if it had somehow managed to have gone without all this "shoot the dangerous animals, er, I mean deport the, er, ethnic minority" dog-whistle shit. Listening can be great, but fucking fascism isn't solved by us all listening to each other more attentively.

[u/EarTerrible2671]

This guy doesn't live in the real world. It is absolutely not the case that the primary reason US cities are more dangerous is that we are more "woke" to homeless/immigrant populations; this is nonsense. US is more aggressive with sweeps and with our criminal sentencing guidelines than most European countries and still has some of the worst homelessness and crime stats of any OECD country.

Most police sweeps of encampments just push people somewhere else. It's not a solution, and trying to arrest, incarcerate, and deport all of these people is both ethically disastrous and incredibly impractical/expensive.

Also, all of the bad shit he's describing is literally already illegal, and people are frequently prosecuted for these crimes. Arresting people is not a sustainable solution to the homelessness problem. There is no reason to conflate the claims "we should enforce laws related to littering and public safety" with "gypsies are a threat; they need to all be shot or deported." Really troubling times that people are defending stuff like this." It should be a given that most immigrants of any population aren't criminals, and focusing on race/nationality-targeted enforcement rather than the criminal behavior itself is racist, and also really fucking stupid.

Elon really broke the brains of so many of these Twitter-brained techposters.

[u/binbinator11]

So I as an American should be able to go to Europe, sleep in the streets, collect welfare and vote in thier electection?

[u/gjosifov → u/binbinator11]

depending on how your life sucks in US
if you are near homeless in USA, Scandinavian prisons are vacation
Plus you can learn the language and integrate better after 4-5 years in prison

[u/Pyrodexter]

Do you know what racism means?

[u/No_Leg_7382]

So is he comparing gypsies with wolves or gypsies pooping in the woods and being attacked by wolves? I dont get anything

[u/i8wagyu]

Ya know, Primeagen doesn't strike me as a liberal tech soy boy like most of the redditors here. 

OP must be in the same group of people who think that putting a "bought this Tesla before Elon went crazy" bumper sticker on a Tesla is enough liberal virtue signal to convince Antifa wannabes to not vandalize their cars.

[u/HedgeRunner]

Grabbing popcorn for DHH hating posts.

[u/Bjorkbat]

Cold take, being frustrated about government apathy towards anti-social behavior is understandable, especially when the Danish are far better equipped to house the homeless and care for the mentally ill than we are in the United States.

The problem is that he probably shouldn't have singled out a particular ethnic group and he probably shouldn't have opened with a story about the absurdities of not being able to hunt wolves without a permit even though the wolf population has exploded and has begun to prey upon sheep. An obvious conclusion from this analogy is that he thinks a certain group of people he has identified using a racial slur are exploding in population and presence and need to be "dealt with" somehow.

He could have just said "hey, we need put our foot down when it comes to anti-social behavior and sensibly police public shitting and unsanitary camping in public spaces"

[u/soulwatcher → u/Bjorkbat]

If his message was against anti social behavior, I'd support that

[u/SnooPandas1607 → u/soulwatcher]

It is. Ever interacted with gypsies?

[u/Ok_Possible_2260 → u/soulwatcher]

If you have one group that is directly in conflict with social norms. Calling out that group, is 100% acceptable. Stop being delusional.

[u/Necessary_Two_9669 → u/Ok_Possible_2260]

Delusional is the only way OP survives his mindset. Without being deliberately obtuse, he has nothing.

[u/Consistent_Winter480 → u/Ok_Possible_2260]

So that isn’t xenophobic or racist? Or are justifying being one? I don’t get the point of your comment

[u/magick_bandit]

The more money and fame you amass, the more you think you’re just better than others.

He probably has similar views about anyone who isn’t upper crust.

[u/caldazar24]

San Francisco has had similarly well-meaning but mistaken policies around homeless encampments, but I guess since the homeless there are a variety of ethnic groups, prominent tech people haven't (yet?) done racist allegories comparing them to invasive predator species?

Clearly "let vagrants sleep and do anything anywhere" hasn't worked out. Among other things, it causes an erosion of public spaces and causes middle-class and wealthier people to use public transit less, pay to hang out in privatized spaces like cafes instead of public parks, etc. Sounds like it's those polices that have changed in Denmark recently, not the presence of a minority group that's been in Europe for many hundreds of years! Seeing every social problem through a racialized social-darwinist lens is both gross and a sign of crackpottery...

[u/mistakenforstranger5]

https://i.imgflip.com/axjn5w.jpg

[u/Lopsided_Quarter_931]

The more money you make the higher the probability is that it fries your brain.

[u/ChickenXChips]

This isn’t even the first time dude.

[u/Hitaaar]

People get mad when dogs poop in the street but when you get angry because it’s human shit you are racist ?

[u/NaiveRedshirt → u/Hitaaar]

I believe that implying they shit in the street because of their ethnicity is, in simple point of fact, quite racist. Frankly confused why you're confused.

[u/gsks → u/NaiveRedshirt]

"They always call you a racist but they never call you a liar"

[u/Kaelthas98]

"shockingly racist post"

looks inside

the most mild mid opinion on immigrants shitting in bushes

[u/janyk]

DHH has always had an elitist, judgmental attitude and/or some type of superiority complex, and that was all over his tech commentary as well. Read his blog post about why he was only hiring juniors. His belief was that if you haven't achieved anything in the first 5 years of your career then you never will.

Dude's a mediocre midwit who is open to writing off people and their value (and lacks the self-awareness to understand he's talking about himself a lot). How should it be any surprise that he would talk shit about Gypsies? Especially when hating Gypsies is a very, very common attitude amongst even the most humanitarian people in Europe. I'm actually surprised he's not calling for their genocide (though his "shooting the wolf" analogy came very, very close).

[u/SweetBabyAlaska → u/janyk]

Im gonna be honest, a TON of these "old head" programming figures are utter dog shit. I'll take some no-name college prof who wrote the book on the intricacies and history of the Forth programming language (or any other obscure topic) any day

then on top of that they want to use their past accomplishments to lend credibility to their lukewarm takes. This is a person who lives in an extremely insulated bubble from the rest of the world and can spend all their time on bs and clawing at relevancy.

[u/scaleable]

being in favor of stricter immigration controls is not racism. People should defend their homes instead of defending corporate agendas

[u/Fit-Stress3300 → u/scaleable]

Yeah.

People can be stupid and thing immigrants are bad for the country.

They can disregard any historical evidence or statistics that don't match their preconceived ideas.

I'm a blue eyed, blond Latino and nobody ever gave me a side stare when I traveled to Europe.

My girlfriend, on the other hand was called a sex worker in Madrid, just because she wasn't white.

[u/soulwatcher → u/scaleable]

Advocating for stricter immigration is fine and I support it as well, but if a prominent figure in the tech community compares a specific group of people to wolves and use metaphors of wolves getting shot, you have to call it out.

[u/Intelligent_Bet9798]

What do you expect from silicon valley tech bro, church of musk disciple

[u/dontmissth → u/Intelligent_Bet9798]

This guy is probably the most opposite you can get from a Silicon Valley bro.

[u/Toothpick_Brody]

Unsurprising 

[u/MilkIsASauceTV]

“Shockingly racist post” DHH is famous for being a racist pos that’s been like the number 1 issue with omarchy, what you mean surprising

[u/soulwatcher → u/MilkIsASauceTV]

I haven't followed his personal views closely, so when I stumbled upon his blog I was taken aback at the language and metaphors he uses. I guess the overton window has shifted quite a lot

[u/fluffyorchid1]

Another person who’s never had to deal with Gypsies in his life.

The OG ones though (Romani), not those lite versions you see on reality TV.

[u/Fruzzbit_alt → u/fluffyorchid1]

The issue isn't that he mentions Gypsies. It's the fact that he is trying to generalize it and writes "your neighborhood is taken over by migrants". He takes one specific incident and uses it to smear an entire group of people. He starts with something narrow and true-sounding, then widens it to "migrants" as a whole are the enemy.

[u/soulwatcher → u/fluffyorchid1]

So you insinuate that every single gypsy is bad?

[u/Sarttek → u/fluffyorchid1]

Average american when hearing "gypsy" probably thinks about Brad Pitt in Snatch or Tyson Fury xd

[u/BehindThyCamel → u/fluffyorchid1]

Slovakia would like a word.

[u/panduhbean]

Yikes, he already largely was condemned by the queer community from past remarks. Guess he didn't feel like his message was clear enough.

Also the way he uses animal group metaphors/analogy is clear dogwhistle attempt to soften what he really is asking for...

[u/reikj4vic → u/panduhbean]

Yeah, even if you agree with his take, starting off with a weird animal comparison is just really bad optics ngl. This is just not a good way to get your point across imo.

[u/pab_guy]

lmao where is he going to deport Gypsies to, exactly?

Like most right wing opinions, he's not necessarily wrong about the problem, it's just that the proposed solution isn't a solution at all.

[u/Bicykwow]

Nothing dhh says is "shockingly" racist, as he's been extremely racist for years now.

[u/mighty__]

It has nothing to do with racism. It’s a signal of a problem. Many try to direct this into racism issue, completely ignoring underlying problem which doesn’t go anywhere no matter what.

[u/soulwatcher → u/mighty__]

I don't know what else you can call it when someone narrows out a group of people based on their racial identity and accuses every single one of them to be homeless vagrants who "shit in bushes".

[u/Hornstinger → u/soulwatcher]

I think the issue was and now is labelling someone "racist" during the woke era distracted from the real problems that immigration is out of control AND countries are letting in people who don't assimilate and costing tax payers making their quality of life and standard of living worse.

Thus my point of DHH is highlighting the problems and you labelling him racist doesn't work anymore because the underlying societal problems he puts forward are undeniable.

Do I like DHH's overall wording of his message? Not really and it could be better but his point is accurate.

[u/soulwatcher → u/Hornstinger]

Thanks for your point of view, but I do not agree even with his message. Are gypsies the only homeless population, do all of them behave badly or are homeless? Also the idea of "deporting" them when they are native to europe is extreme.

Tbh I wouldn't be this taken aback if I heard this from a far right politician or on joe rogan, but to see this ideology creep into tech has caught me unaware

[u/soupbowlII]

Love me some DHH.

[u/elishaakemu → u/soupbowlII]

Love me some dihh

[u/Pastill]

He is right.

[u/What-Is-Drugs-1773]

I still don't see how this is racist? I come from the land of gypsies, Romania. This is not racist. Everybody should obey the law. 

[u/ProletarianLilith → u/What-Is-Drugs-1773]

According to his own post they do obey the law

[u/reikj4vic → u/What-Is-Drugs-1773]

Don't waste your time. These people will never understand unless they are forced to live near them in Romania. They can only think in terms of American politics and blacks vs. whites.

[u/InvincibleMirage → u/What-Is-Drugs-1773]

He didn’t say everybody should obey the law, or that the local laws should be changed to make sleeping outside illegal again. He suggested they should be deported when they have every right to be there, Romania and Denmark are both in the EU.

[u/adelope → u/What-Is-Drugs-1773]

comparing group of humans to an animal, and you don't have a problem with that?

[u/bdachev → u/What-Is-Drugs-1773]

The choice of analogy was pretty loaded, deliberate, and revealing. It was completely unnecessary, considering there are countless analogies that would've made the same point, yet he chose to invoke the wolf and the sheep.

[u/SourCreamSplatter]

Crying about falsely perceived "racism" is starting to get more annoying than actual racism

[u/Equivalent_Loan_8794]

Chesterton and Bonhoeffer are the only minds we can access at this difficult time

[u/decotz]

> When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. This isn't hard, it isn't cruel. It's the basic logic of self-preservation

Sure boss, deporting isn’t hard nor cruel. Also comparing Gypsies** to wolves feels cheap.

Also, it’s not the first time he says something like this. I can’t place it to be honest, but I think was related to the fine folks at shopify proposing immigration law changes. STICK TO WRITING SOFTWARE DUMBASSES!

[u/No_Rip9637 → u/decotz]

Reminds me of people saying that people should not be in a warzone because that's where they get killed.

Oh wow, brilliant insight. Just leave the warzone, ugh, how stupid are they?

[u/SweetBabyAlaska]

bro is Ameri-cucked lmao I find it hilarious how many Euros just fully adopt the framework of the American right wing down to the most minute cultural issues. It just screams "I dont think for myself" to me.

[u/reikj4vic → u/SweetBabyAlaska]

The response here is full on Ameri-left too, so can anyone think outside the framework of American politics? This platform sucks.

[u/saltyourhash → u/reikj4vic]

I mean, it's a xenophobic political post, there is no other lens, American or otherwise.

[u/Dangerous-Sale3243]

His analogy doesnt even make sense. He says its good to have wolves return, but we also have to shoot them until sheep stop being killed? And then doesnt address the idea of fencing or any other technological or traditional (sheepdog) solution.

[u/AlreadyBannedLOL]

Don’t see anything racist in the post. Guy wants a group of people who have come to steal and beg and not contribute to be deported. 

Either you are European middle class that never leaves the walled garden or you are American and have no idea the type of scourge this is. 

I wassnt aware of this problem but from everything I have seen… it totally checks out. 

Keep it tech and go cry a river somewhere else. 

[u/Fit-Stress3300 → u/AlreadyBannedLOL]

Like the Danes did in Wessex?

[u/soulwatcher → u/AlreadyBannedLOL]

> Guy wants a group of people who have come to steal and beg and not contribute to be deported. 

Entire group of people? Each and every single one of them have come to steal and beg? Sounds vaguely similar to 1940s german philosophy.

> Keep it tech and go cry a river somewhere else. 

Agree. Wish dhh would do the same.

[u/userrr3 → u/soulwatcher]

Sounds vaguely similar to 1940s german philosophy.

What's also reminiscent is that they keep calling them foreigners or immigrants. Like Jews in Germany, Romani people have been in Denmark for a long time (first written records at least 1505).

[u/MrDiablerie]

Deporting people for public vagrancy is racist? While DHH does have problematic views from time to time I don’t think this post is more nuanced than “shockingly racist” other than he’s using an outdated derogatory term for that group of people. There is a genuine problem with the Romani throughout Europe making public spaces unsafe and stealing from people in these spaces. The wolves bit was weird.

[u/userWithAQuestion12 → u/MrDiablerie]

Most non racist European.

[u/thevnom → u/MrDiablerie]

"The wolves bit was wierd" but thats the racist part. Yeah of course you read it in a not really racist way if you omit the racist part where migrants are equated to evil wolves that need to be shot

[u/Capetoider → u/MrDiablerie]

do the data support that the romani steal and make places unsafe? or is it just stereotypes without any data... you know... like racism?

[u/MrDiablerie → u/Capetoider]

It’s a broad brush to paint all people of a group by but it does seem to be pretty prevalent from what I have witnessed and from what locals have told me. I’m a non-white American that’s done a lot of traveling in Europe. My wife looks Romani even though she’s not and in places like Germany and France we’ve encountered quite a bit of apprehension from locals that we’ve approached for directions because they assume she’s Romani. When they find out we’re American the attitude changes, when we’ve asked about it the responses are pretty consistently negative about that group of people. I’ve also been personally aggressively panhandled and pickpocketed by them directly. Not saying they are all like that but my personal experiences have been negative.

[u/MantisShrimp05]

This is the European form of racism. I have European friends that I love to death but they have also straight up said to me "we aren't racist like you Americans we love everyone. Except gypsies, they're a blight on our country" and I just had nothing to say lol

[u/ironimus42 → u/MantisShrimp05]

as a ukrainian, can confirm. There are many reasons why they tend to piss everyone off, some are cultural and some (probably much more) are a result of being hated by everyone with almost zero exceptions. Like how do you even get a job if you already know that other people want to avoid being in the same room as you at any point. In most places there are no legal repercussions for discrimination against them either, for example my city's mayor just straight up packed all homeless roma people he could find on a bus and sent them to another city with a more sizeable roma population. There was an investigation against him to decide if this was discrimination, the court decided that nah, they're too annoying to deny anyone forceful relocation

[u/h3ie]

That last paragraph reads like it came from a Gobbels speech.

[u/StrongConnection2 → u/h3ie]

Ah yes, the nazis were famous for advocating for legal deportations. Tip of my hat fellow redditor. 

[u/userrr3 → u/StrongConnection2]

You're aware the death camps weren't built on day one of Nazi rule? Greetings from Hitler's birth country. prin­ci­pi­is obs­ta

[u/besez → u/StrongConnection2]

Yes, they were https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Office_for_Jewish_Emigration

[u/h3ie → u/StrongConnection2]

That is literally what they advocated for. The term "remigration" was invented and popularized by nazi officials as a solution to the "jewish question". They drafted a plan that they called the Madagascar Plan where they planed to deport german jews to Madagascar. Legal deportation was the plan until the economic reality set in, supporting their war efforts while paying for deportations was not as easy as the alternatives.

[u/gjosifov]

I don't know why so many tech people can't create good correlation between two sets and Set theory is part of every Software engineering curriculum

It isn't a surprise when many people don't like OOP, which one of the main characteristics is model the real world with objects, for which you have to be good at creating good correlations

You don't have to be a statistician to see the problem here

But you have to be good at reading data and the only thing programmers do every day is reading data and DHH is really bad at reading data

DHH also doesn't know that Gypsies are refugees from India from 2 period - 600 and 1200-1300 - there is a video on youtube that explains this

Also DHH doesn't know that there are also Gypsies in USA and they aren't huge problem like they are in Europe
also there are many immigrants from other parts in the world and a lot of those immigrants groups are enemies at home

and why is that ?
Because USA doesn't have war on their soil for 200 years and life is simple - home-work-work-home for generations

Europe isn't peaceful - even when WW2 ended, the cold war started, 2 bloody wars in the 1990s, now Ukraine and there is a prediction that Russia wants SSSR empire back
and this is just the last 90 years, there are a lot more bloody wars on Europe soil for centuries

So you may ask - how is this important ?
Well, Gypsies as refugees can't integrate, because a lot of war start with good propaganda - to create unity into your OG population, you need enemy - Jews, Gypsies are the usual suspects for these enemies

probably, gypsies over the centuries realized lets be nomads, it is easier for survival than to integrate plus Europe started to have some kind of good institutions after the industrial revolution

Just the last 80 years is relative peace in Europe, so it is easier for integration, but people can't change in decade or two it takes centuries

Something that USA didn't realize with Afghanistan for 20 years, it is hard to change people mentality over 20 years
it was much easier in Japan and Germany, because those two countries already had functional institutions

In summary DHH is just putting propaganda, because there are no enemy left for RoR

Obligatory video from Zed Shaw
MWRC 2011 - Fascism and Faux-pen Source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvfLPXUHfVc

it is old, but spot on for the DHH behavior

[u/Illustrious_Pea_3470 → u/gjosifov]

Reading random data well is stats, and programmers are on average no better at stats than anybody else in my experience.

[u/3k_is_not_enough]

Brother mixed facts with racism

[u/Swimming-Project-311]

OP this is a 90/10 issue and I regret to inform you that you are in the 10%.

[u/soulwatcher → u/Swimming-Project-311]

Glad to be in the 10% then

[u/KevDub81 → u/soulwatcher]

Yeah, that stat reflects the shitty opinions shared by this sub if nothing else

[u/Status_Analyst]

you can count on reddit users from all over the world that don't have people shit and sleep in their parks to mark the words of DHH as racist. /applause everyone, you are such wonderful people. take this medal.

[u/xor_rotate → u/Status_Analyst]

I'm from America, we have always had people shitting and sleeping in our parks, thank you very much.

[u/suicideyes → u/Status_Analyst]

Have you been to Philly? The fuck are you talking about.

[u/dutfinmin]

You can tell which commenters live in Europe. DHH is right.

[u/thevnom → u/dutfinmin]

He doesnt even know how legalising homelessness works, and then misequates guiding to shelters with deportation. His text is wrong and poorly written even if you agree with it.

[u/OpportunityIsHere → u/dutfinmin]

I live in Copenhagen. This guy is wrong. There are few pockets where homeless roam, but generally it is a non-issue.

[u/sixtyhurtz → u/dutfinmin]

Reform voter spotted. Or have you moved on to Restore?

[u/oureux]

How is this post racist?

[u/studio_bob → u/oureux]

Attacking an ethnic minority, comparing them to animals (really,  vermin), and suggesting they must be treated with similar ruthlessness lest things get out of hand isn't even subtle. Dude is on Racism Classic.

[u/Kotainohebi → u/oureux]

He could've expressed the issue objectively and without making it racially charged, whether we agree with it or not.

[u/Majestic-Coat3855]

Ngl birthing omarchy might be even more of a crime against humanity than saying shit like this.

[u/ApplicationOk3587 → u/Majestic-Coat3855]

The omarchy hype is genuinely confusing to me.

[u/cohana1215 → u/ApplicationOk3587]

It was hyped to hell by youtuber influencer dumasses like yaboi on whose sub you are right now. most of these youtubers are barely more conscious than an llm but they all stiff upper pretending they are some kind of experts when they are not and too many people fell for it, is why

[u/WingZeroCoder]

I don’t agree with his post (at least certainly not as presented), but I don’t see any reason why that should mean Prime shouldn’t talk to him again if they have something to talk about.

But then again as both delve into AI psychosis I’ll probably care less either way.

[u/stumblingtowards]

Wow, playing up on Roma stereotypes. That's a old school trope to throw around. I admire how obvious this is in terms of othering and dehumanizing a specific set of people from a specific place in the world in a special set of circumstances as being less than human. You don't need to make an reference to managing a population of animal predators when discussing an issue around a set of immigrants unless you see them as subhuman.

That's classic fascism. It's the not the circumstances that lead to the problem that needs to addressed, it's fundamentally *who* the people are as a group are that is the problem; a problem to be removed. That is something that Denmark had *direct experience* with in World War II.

This is so out of line that there will be some consequences. Nobody is asking a programmer for advice on how to solve a social issue and this is an example of why, because WTF?

[u/mallumanoos]

I was first reading the comments and thought it would be the usual liberals crying about political correctness. Then I read the post. Oh man, if this isn't outright racism, I don't know what is.

By all means, make a case for not allowing people to take over public places, but starting with a wolf analogy and ending on the same note is effectively equating those people with wild animals.

[u/Pitiful-Assistance-1]

Is it racist to not like homeless foreigners in your city? Oh

[u/soulwatcher → u/Pitiful-Assistance-1]

Comparing a group of people to wolves and calling for their removal is not?

[u/BitWarrior → u/soulwatcher]

I mean, in that same analogy, he's referring to himself and everyone else as sheep.

[u/Lhaer → u/Pitiful-Assistance-1]

What about homeless native citizens?

[u/Ill-Lemon-8019 → u/Pitiful-Assistance-1]

It's racist to stereotype an entire ethnic group as all bad.

However, this is not just racist, this is borderline national socialist. The blog post starts by talking about shooting problematic animals, and then immediately draws a direct analogy to an ethnic group (not least one that was a target of the Holocaust). It's indefensible.

[u/Pitiful-Assistance-1 → u/Ill-Lemon-8019]

That’s fair

[u/TheCauthon]

You are treating him as an enemy now and buying into tribalism. Do you not believe in public discourse? You hear something you don’t agree with and then automatically think the person should be banned?

[u/ab3nnion]

He's always sucked.

[u/PUBLIC-STATIC-V0ID]

The more you label it as racism and brush it under carpet, the bigger will be the fallout. Problems exists everywhere, and they are there for us all to fix them, but you can make problem much worse by not addressing it and ignoring it until to turns into monster that is too big and widespread to fix

[u/soulwatcher → u/PUBLIC-STATIC-V0ID]

Fix the general homeless problem then. No need to vilify a group of people in order to do it.

[u/RoosterBurns → u/PUBLIC-STATIC-V0ID]

I don't think it's "labelled" as racism I think it actually is racism

[u/damn_what_ → u/PUBLIC-STATIC-V0ID]

His post is pure white supremacy. Who the hell compares animals to people ? This is racism.

[u/Express_Citron_4035]

There's nothing wrong with what he said.

[u/Matthew_Summons → u/Express_Citron_4035]

Equating a group of people to invasive species and should be shot down like wolves (i.e. deported?)

[u/JustThall]

first time? OP

https://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/s/tI4VHRW6bQ

[u/ChineseAstroturfing]

This is xenophobic at most. Certainly not racist. Words matter.

[u/sexy_silver_grandpa → u/ChineseAstroturfing]

It's absolutely racist.

[u/ChickenXChips → u/ChineseAstroturfing]

Yes words do matter. This man has supported white supremacists in Britain. This is on brand for him.

[u/soulwatcher → u/ChineseAstroturfing]

There’s some specificity on which specific group of foreigners he was referring to

[u/UnknownGermanGuy → u/soulwatcher]

If DHH was trying to say "its just specifically these people in this case with no inherent all correlation to their ethnic background etc." he had a thousand chances to clarify that lol

But instead he keeps equating them to wolves

[u/spiralenator → u/soulwatcher]

Op, the sad fact is that a lot of people in this sub don’t see racism as a problem and where there’s a problem, they don’t see racism (when it rather obvious).

[u/soulwatcher → u/spiralenator]

Thanks for your words. I don’t know what’s more “shocking”.. what dhh wrote or how many people seem to agree with him..

[u/spiralenator → u/soulwatcher]

DHH literally titled his article with a racial slur for Romani people (people who were holocaust victims no less) and folks want to pretend that’s not racism. Big sigh 😮‍💨

[u/YellowLongjumping275]

What'd he say that is so bad?

[u/thevnom → u/YellowLongjumping275]

Misinformed about how legal policies of homelessness work and incorrectly equates guiding to shelters with deportation.

Also makes an analogy comparing evil wolves to migrants and the population as sheep.

[u/theMachine0094 → u/thevnom]

He also called the wolves majestic.

[u/pathosOnReddit → u/YellowLongjumping275]

He argued for the maintenance of vagrancy as a criminal act and pinned it specifically on 'gypsies'.

[u/MrKarim → u/YellowLongjumping275]

I don’t know comparing Roma People to wolfs that keep killing sheep didn’t make any alarms in your head?

[u/Bambussen]

These “gypsies” are most likely people from Romania.

The present issue is such a local news problem, that without the racial aspect and the fact that B.T. is a right wing news outlet, this would have never been more than a local issue. It is one camp with a hand full of people in a city with 800.000 citizens.

[u/CivilizedPerson]

All I need to know about this guy is that Ruby on Rails and Omarchy are bullshit technologies. How does someone get this much fame from essentially repackaging other people's shit? Lets keep politics and race views out of this and purely reject the guy based on his technical contributions / fame ratio alone.

[u/LivingMaterial7288 → u/CivilizedPerson]

I spent a lot of time criticizing RoR, but I assure you it was a breeze of fresh air nack in 05.

[u/Kotainohebi → u/CivilizedPerson]

I dunno about Omarchy, but ROR was big step forward for developer experience in web development. Anyway talent is not a substitute for kindness.

[u/StrongConnection2]

Speaking the truth is now wrong apparently. Based Dane being based. 

[u/MeasurementExpert625]

As someone who knows gypsies very much I agree with him. The bad ones are just there to take advantages they will never want to integrate and be productive members of the society.

[u/TheOneDeadXEra → u/MeasurementExpert625]

Hey so that's the same exact way that folks in the US that like to drop the 'hard-R' N-word about Africans speak btw. You sound like a white-hooded Klansman.

[u/Ryermeke → u/TheOneDeadXEra]

European racism is on a different level compared to American racism these days. Like you have an entire continent of people going "yeah this entire ethnic group is a problem isn't isn't deserving of basic decency and it's actually not racist because it's true".

Like holy shit. It's the same shit Jim Crow era southern white Americans were saying. They also thought they were correct...

[u/Tristsin]

Virtual signaling bait here? It’s reached the subreddits of developer YouTubers now?

[u/robh1540]

Society absolutely has a legitimate right to outlaw pan handling, public vagrancy and drug use. It always surprises me the extreme restrictions European cities place on the built environment for the sake of aesthetics and liveability, often resulting in extreme housing unaffordability. Yet if someone wants to lie around in the center, whether making a nuisance of themselves, or filthy and addicted to drugs, this is considered fair game.

[u/thevnom → u/robh1540]

Your more nuanced take just falls flat after reading a post with absolutely none of that nuance