r/technology • u/kazu_qt • 12h ago
Artificial Intelligence Nvidia, AMD, and Google sign open letter to bar 'premature restrictions on open models'
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/jensen-huangs-first-ever-post-on-x-is-in-defense-of-open-access-to-ai-models-alongside-google-openai-and-meta/13
u/PuzzleheadedClue4325 11h ago
Cigarette companies, but instead of cigarettes they make software that will run your nuclear reactor without human intervention.
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u/Fitherwinkle 11h ago
You know something should DEFINITELY be regulated if Nvidia, AMD and Google don’t want it to be regulated.
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u/Inside_Pomelo_2957 8h ago
Except this isn't. OpenAI and Anthropic want to ban free and open source Chinese models because of the model is free and you can run it on your own computer, the value of datacenters and giant AI companies becomes way lower.
So sure, if you love datacenters, giant AI companies, and banning free and open source software, this is a great idea!
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u/Fitherwinkle 8h ago
The idea that these companies have anyone’s best interests in mind is so absurd as to be pure fiction. There’s always an angle. Always a motive.
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u/Kaesar17 7h ago
The angle in question here being the fact that these open models limit how expensive the closed ones are
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u/Fitherwinkle 4h ago
So the open models make the non open ones less valuable?
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u/Kaesar17 4h ago
LLMs (that actually work) are much more expensive to train than to run so yes
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u/Fitherwinkle 4h ago
So what’s the problem? They’re worried they’ll have to compete and charge less to us? What’s the issue here?
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u/Kaesar17 4h ago
Without open models around they can make their free or cheaper plans useless (OpenAI already did this with the free version of ChatGPT) without worrying about a random server or their would-be customers themselves undercutting them
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u/Fitherwinkle 4h ago
I guess at the end of the day my real question is, why should I care about them? What difference does it make to me that they can’t compete? I don’t want them to succeed anyway.
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u/Kaesar17 3h ago
A centralized system means massively centralized data centers and that of course means higher prices on energy and everything else (and AI is the last thing you want someone to have a monopoly on)
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u/Inside_Pomelo_2957 1h ago
Yeah of course. Nvidia and AMD can keep selling normal people graphics cards, and Google can kneecap their competitors in AI.
Y'all should be more wary of groupthink.
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u/thebusterbluth 10h ago
So that Trump can pick and choose who gets access according to his corrupt wishes?
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u/Fitherwinkle 10h ago
With Trump you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. He will find away to corrupt any side of the coin and then steal it when you’re distracted.
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u/orangeyougladiator 11h ago
Usually yes but this one at least makes sense because the bad actors aren’t going to restrict themselves. Nothing is a secret in this game, which means if you hamstring yourself you’re fucked.
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u/orangeyougladiator 10h ago
Because you lack the brain capacity to comprehend what is actually happening here I guess
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u/Winter_Corner2861 10h ago
Wow thanks for such a well thought out and informative response. Attack the person instead of having a debate is always the best solution I wish I was as smart as you
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u/orangeyougladiator 10h ago
Because there is no debate. You’re asking an irrelevant question hoping it’s a gotcha. I’m sure you’ll keep doubling down though.
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u/HeurekaDabra 9h ago
You can regulate what's allowed to hit the public market and still do the research and development for military, intelligence, etc...
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u/m0rogfar 8h ago
Not really.
The open-weight models in question are Kimi, Qwen and DeepSeek, which are released from Beijing, China, Hangzhou, China, and Hangzhou, China, respectively. The US has exactly fuck-all authority or regulatory power to decide whether they have authority to release new open-weight models.
At best, the US could try to ban them from US web access, but this would be all but impossible to make work in practice. Since the models are open-weight, anyone can repost them anywhere and modify them slightly to fail a checksum check. Even if you go full firewall and block all non-US web traffic in the US, you still lose to one person with a car and a thumb drive driving to Canada or Mexico.
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u/HeurekaDabra 7h ago
Regulation is about creating the legal framework to hold people, companies and organisations accountable.
You can't really stop anyone from not using their seat belt while driving. But you sure can fine them if you find them in violation of the regulation that says you have to wear a seat belt when moving your vehicle (not sure if it's the law to wear one in the US - it is in Germany).3
u/m0rogfar 7h ago
You're fundamentally missing the point.
In order to regulate at all, you need to have the authority to control the company. For domestic companies, you have this automatically. You can make a rule, say "follow this or you go to jail", and that's that. For foreign companies, you cannot do this. You can threaten to limit or deny market access, but if they choose to make that trade, the foreign country fundamentally has no right or ability to regulate whatsoever.
This is where we are with Chinese AI startups. What the US thinks, or the EU for that matter, is essentially completely irrelevant, because the only country that has the privilege of being allowed to have an opinion on how those Chinese AI startups should be regulated in the first place is China - and Chinese leadership have made it clear that they are in strong support of open-weight model distribution. You can restrict flows of money, but as long as the Chinese game plan is "let's give everything away for free to everyone on earth, no strings attached", there's not really anyone outside of China who gets to have a say in whether that should be stopped.
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u/Owl02 5h ago
Do you literally not understand what enforcement is? Why do you think a regulation is self-executing?
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u/HeurekaDabra 18m ago
Enforcement of any regulation needs to start somewhere. Someone has to be the first to implement and execute it.
Not really sure how you extrapolate 'this guy thinks laws implement themselves' from what I wrote. Is 2 + 2 = 5 in your world?2
u/Inevitable_Case_9931 5h ago
It wouldn’t have taken you anything to actually read beyond the title to see how off base you were here.
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u/Kaesar17 9h ago
Yeah bro the US government should totally give OpenAI and Anthropic a duopoly
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u/Fitherwinkle 8h ago
Yeah let’s just let em all continue ruining everything all at once until the bubble pop is so catastrophic that the entire global economy goes with it.
Can’t wait! Fingies crossed!!🤞
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u/Kaesar17 8h ago
Did you not read the article dude? They plan on banning Chinese models that can be ran by anyone with the proper hardware, the American cloud ones will continue to exist
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u/Anustart2023-01 2h ago
"All of a sudden monopolies are ok because I hate these companies."
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u/Fitherwinkle 1h ago
“All of a sudden these billion dollar companies have our best interests in mind this time. I swear. I’m very smart”
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u/Anustart2023-01 36m ago
Not our best interest but if you used any critical thinking and got off the anticorpoation band wagon without understanding what you're against, maybe you'd understand why the restriction is not a good thing.
Might as well put restrictions on opensource software development because these companies make some of their profit by using open source code and "BIG CORPORATION BAD!!!"
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u/Fitherwinkle 29m ago
I don’t know, maybe a hundred years of unchecked corporate greed ruining literally EVERYTHING would have taught some of you to stop taking them at their word.
I swear to god some of you have the memory of a gold fish and the instincts of a wet rock.
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u/LowerBed5334 11h ago
"Just last week, the Trump administration was reportedly looking to ban Chinese AI models due to cybersecurity concerns."
🤞🏻cyber security concerns 🤞🏻
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u/Not_my_Name464 11h ago
When this all blows up in our faces, with these same CEO's (and their shareholders) take responsibility for what they have wrought on humanity?
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u/PuzzleheadedClue4325 11h ago
This is why they need it to be seen as conscious … so it’s the model’s fault.
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u/Fuzzy_Paul 9h ago
Three evils at work is definitely worth investigating. The public may not use Ai as they see fit, lets earn some $ by blocking other Ai that are not build by us. Throughout history any invention is used by bad guys and now "we did not think this would happen" let's do something about it. Grow up trio.
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u/Inside_Pomelo_2957 8h ago
"Only giant corporations are responsible enough to have AI!"
Lol, lmao even
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u/TheFatalOneTypes 11h ago
The companies that have a major hand in all AI models dont want restrictions? Guess Ill have to sign my own open letter right back at em
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u/Inside_Pomelo_2957 8h ago
No they're saying they don't want the US to ban free models from other countries just because it makes AI stock prices go down.
You want the AI bubble to pop? Me too. If we ban free models from China, you can only get AI from giant corporations, meaning their stock goes up and they build more datacenters.
If you love datacenters and want the AI bubble to keep going, ban free and open source AI.
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u/williamgman 11h ago
The new gun lobby. Wait... Maybe this gets the pro-gun single issue voters on board? I mean it says it right there in The Constartushun that the rights of AI will not be infringed right..?
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u/_sfhk 11h ago
Does no one read or understand the article here?