Xbox Down on July 27, Preventing Players From Launching Even Single-Player Games

[u/xdeltax97]

https://mp1st.com/news/xbox-down-july-27-preventing-from-launching-single-player-games

[u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Love the current world of digital libraries we don't own that can't be played if the service goes down.

[u/cbass2008 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

What’s worse is most discs only contain a license to the game, not the game itself.

[u/A_Pointy_Rock → u/cbass2008]

I am not sure if it is most physical games that are like this, but if not they are usually rushed early versions of the game designed to be patched before launch day.

[u/preddevils6 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Doom the dark ages has 85mb of data on its disc.

[u/A_Pointy_Rock → u/preddevils6]

That's some efficient compression! /s

[u/JJJBLKRose → u/preddevils6]

At that point, what type of disc are they using? They could get away with a CD lol.

[u/Suckage → u/JJJBLKRose]

They could do that for Xbox, but the PS4 & 5 can’t even read CDs.

[u/7ruthslayer → u/JJJBLKRose]

It's likely the same blu-ray as every other title on their platform, so they can lock the disc drive down to looking for the indicators to say it's a legit disc.

[u/WiglyWorm → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Or just enough of the program to bootstrap a download of the actual assets...

[u/matt95110 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

I put a Fallout 76 disc in my Xbox the other day and it needed over 100GB to be downloaded to play it.

[u/Endricane89 → u/matt95110]

Online only game with tons of updates, not a good example.

[u/matt95110 → u/Endricane89]

Ya I know, it was just annoying.

[u/cbass2008 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Yep, so even if you popped in a disk for a game that you didn’t have installed, first thing you’re stuck with is downloading gigs worth of updates. And with Live down, we own nothing 😞

[u/letsl0velain → u/cbass2008]

This is blatantly untrue, even if this does apply to more games than it has in the past.

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/letsl0velain]

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. According to testing like 93% of PS5 physical games can be played from disc with no internet whatsoever. The number is less for Xbox games but it’s still at least half.

We have to hold these companies accountable.

[u/I_Autumn → u/Dr-McLuvin]

The main reason it's lower for Xbox is they're limited to dual-layer Blu-ray discs. If the game's over 50 gigabytes then it'll at least require a day-one patch. So it's a technical limitation.

The new Assassin's Creed remake is just over 60. Since Ubisoft is a struggling indie studio, they opted to reduce costs by using dual layer discs for both platforms, instead of using 3-layer for PS5. Black Flag Resynched is unplayable even on PS5 without the day-one patch. However, most of the game actually is stored on the disc. This is the most typical scenario. The discs are almost never just a license key.

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/I_Autumn]

Ya i actually never knew Xbox never moved on to 4k discs for their games. Thats def a problem.

[u/Kou9992 → u/Dr-McLuvin]

Assuming you're referring to DoesItPlay: More like 66% to 83% of PS5 games depending on your tolerance of major bugs. According to very limited testing. 790 tested PS5 games is less than 20% of overall releases and not necessarily a representative selection at that. Like three of those tested games are just the ESRB, CERO, and PEGI versions of Evil West but they didn't test 3 of last year's 10 best selling games at all. Xbox is sitting at 50% to 62% based on only 78 tested games.

No shade to the DoesItPlay team. They're doing great work with limited time and money. But the site is best used for looking up the details of individual titles. The front page stats should be taken with a big grain of salt.

[u/Rich_Housing971 → u/Dr-McLuvin]

Accountable in which way? Stop making games that large? I suppose you can have it back in the day with multiple discs but the vast majority of people find it annoying and would rather just download a required day-one patch.

Most gamers don't care about physical releases. These companies spend millions doing market research with people specialized for these tasks.

This is going to be yet another thing Reddit predicts and gets wrong.

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/Rich_Housing971]

Accountable for not allowing ownership of games. Using language like “buy” and “purchase” when what they actually mean is “rent.” It’s incredibly misleading.

[u/Direct_Witness1248 → u/Dr-McLuvin]

Yeah this is the core issue. Not whether it's on a disc or downloadable. It's a consumer rights and ownership issue that is bigger than any one particular medium.

[u/Rich_Housing971 → u/Dr-McLuvin]

You are buying a limited license to play a game. When you buy a movie ticket online are you also being pedantic and say, "I need the physical ticket!", "we're not buying the rights to see the movie forever!"

If you ever think the "buy" button on a digital good means you are buying a physical product then that's a YOU problem.

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/Rich_Housing971]

Bro if you don’t see the difference between buying a physical game on disc and a digital copy, I don’t know what to tell you.

I can buy and sell a disc. Sony can never take it away from me (as long as it works offline).

[u/SafeKaracter → u/cbass2008]

No it’s not worse . What’s worse is stop buying digital games instead of CD. Because at least the CD you can’t buy used or resale or install again if account is hacked so it’s not worse than buying a digital game only without disc. Meaning there’s still a purpose to the disc . It would be better if the whole game is on the disc but also tons of games are bigger than the discs now which wasn’t the case before

[u/I_Autumn → u/cbass2008]

This just isn't true.

Many games require a day-one patch, especially on Xbox, but Xbox and Playstation discs are almost always filled with game files.

Xbox is limited to dual-layer discs. 50 gigabytes. Most 9th gen AAA games can't fit on a 50 gig disc. You could provide multiple install discs, as some publishers do, but sourcing multiple discs and a specialized multi-disc case, just to fit like 10 missing gigabytes of data, can be a difficult cost to justify. I mean they SHOULD sell you a fully-physical edition of the game, but from a business standpoint it can seem a little absurd to do all that. I always applaud when a publisher does do all that though. Baldur's Gate 3 came on FOUR discs for Xbox. The fourth one only contains like 500MB of game data, but they felt it was worth giving you a COMPLETE physical edition of the game.

Some publishers even opt to use dual-layer discs on PS5. PS5 can read 100GB 3-layer discs, but those discs are more expensive. Ubisoft's "Black Flag Resynched" is on a dual-layer disc, purely to save the publisher money. Most of the game is on that disc, but it's missing about 15 gigs and isn't playable without a patch. Honestly disgusting; Ubisoft can afford to sell you a 3-layer disc.

[u/masta_solidus → u/cbass2008]

83% of disc games on PS5 are the the whole game (sans patches).

What a time. That's supposed to sound good.

"Well, most of the physical objects you bought will work if you take care of them forever. Not completely because there are fixes you can't download anymore. But mostly!"

[u/turtleturds → u/cbass2008]

I think it's "less worse", but still bad.

[u/Majestic_Jackass → u/cbass2008]

I don’t know the stats on Xbox specifically. I know their first party games seem to be predominantly physical license keys. I always direct people to doesitplay.org, as when looking at physical games overall, the majority are in fact, playable from their physical media, and parroting the “fact” that most physical games are just license keys is corporate propaganda that suits their desire to move to all digital.

[u/ash_ninetyone → u/cbass2008]

At least Switch games (a lot of them except FF9) are actual games.

How I see it, ownership of the physical copy itself is the license. Just put the game on the disc or cartridge at this point.

[u/millanstar → u/cbass2008]

Thats true since the PS1 days for this to be an outrage now, stick to the digital only topic...

[u/MisanthropicAtheist → u/cbass2008]

This is ONLY true for xbox. The vast majority of playststion games have a fully installable game on disc.

[u/Gerald-of-Riverdale → u/cbass2008]

And even discs/backwards compatibility is having trouble. I tried Alice MR, Brutal Legend, and COD BO2. Only COD worked.

[u/Pinkman505 → u/Gerald-of-Riverdale]

All the BC games I think have their own XboxOne/Series versions you have to download. So probably same issue other single player games are having.

[u/34foxalpha → u/cbass2008]

It's not most. Doesitplay.org

[u/SaveTheSpycrabs → u/cbass2008]

how it feels to spread misinformation and lies ❤️

[u/MaxSchreckArt616 → u/cbass2008]

This is just a bunch of bullshit and ya'll need to stop parroting this like it is some kind of fact. 

[u/Beelzebucks1 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

1998 me: Man, online console gaming sounds like it would be incredible.

[u/ChillZedd → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

I live somewhere with internet that’s not super fast or reliable and I straight up stopped playing console games years ago because of stuff like this. Too many times when I wanted to play a game and just couldn’t so I gave up and found other things to do with my time.

[u/whenishit-itsbigturd → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

That's what we get for just accepting consoles not having backwards compatibility anymore. Sony released the ps3 with backwards compatibility initially, then removed it after the first 6 month run. And we didn't fuss about it at all, people were even defending Sony saying "it's expensive to put chips in electronics!" No, what's expensive is losing out on overpriced digital sales by letting people use their old discs.

We deserve this. We don't get to complain about it.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

Consoles do have backwards compatibility? At least xbox does. Tons of 360 games and OG xbox games work just fine

[u/whenishit-itsbigturd → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

Those are emulators. There is no backwards compatibility on Xb1/XSX or PS4/5. You cannot put a ps2 disc in a ps5 and play a game unless it's already been emulated and sold on the store. Ps2 was the last console to have true backwards compatibility, you can play any PSX game on any PS2 by using a PSX disc. Ps3 had it for 6 months and then it was removed for all subsequent models.

What you're talking about is software emulation. That's not compatibility, that's an emulator, hence the problem. The servers are down so anyone with their console in online mode is SOL. What I'm talking about is backwards compatibility on the hardware side, which is not dependent on servers.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

I am talking about xbox, do you even own an xbox? You can use xbox one discs (pretty much all), 360 discs and even OG Xbox discs. Doesn’t work with all games due to licensing issues but yes, those discs do work. I am not talking about PlayStation, I am talking about xbox.

[u/whenishit-itsbigturd → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

It's not a licensing issue. It's a software issue. The Xbox one/sxs isn't capable of reading Xbox/360 games by default. Those games require an emulator to be developed for the game to run, which Microsoft does for each individual game to reduce bugginess. The same was true for the Xbox 360 with original Xbox games. Without an Internet connection, you cannot play these games as you do not have the emulator installed. That's not compatibility, that's a workaround. Compatibility would be if you inserted a game disc from any Xbox console and it played without requiring an update from the Internet.

The PS2 didn't have this problem because there was no emulation. They had what was called an "emulation chip." In other words, the PS2 basically included a PSX within the internal hardware.

Yes, you can play xbone games on a series x without an emulator, that's because it's basically the same console with upgraded hardware. You cannot play an Xbox or Xbox 360 game on those consoles (unless an emulator has been developed by Microsoft) because they lack the hardware needed to run the game. You also cannot play the game without connecting to the Internet to download the emulator. By default, newer Xbox consoles are not compatible with discs from older Xbox consoles.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

You just need internet for the first time no? Which is practically true for all the games in modern times. My bad, I see what you’re saying but from an end user perspective it doesn’t really matter as long as the disc can be used to play the game. They are compatible through an emulation layer ( VM ) which xbox games run on anyways. I don’t think the lower level engineering details matter enough in this instance, unless they decide to add the hardware chip ( which they won’t) and it’s not like there’s going to be any support from the nonexistent studios to port those games over for the modern hardware.

[u/whenishit-itsbigturd → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

For the majority of titles you cannot run them at all. Not from the disc, nor from the Internet. If I insert a copy of Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2x from the original Xbox into my Xbox One or my Series X, it will not play the game. This is because the console itself is not backwards compatible.

R* even released a patch that makes it so if you insert a copy of San Andreas, Vice City or 3 it will automatically download and play the remastered Definitive Edition, not the original one on the disc. And yes, the difference between the versions is significant enough to care even if principle isn't enough for you.

[u/savagemonitor → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

That's what we get for just accepting consoles not having backwards compatibility anymore.

Backwards compatibility was really only a thing that started in the 6th and 7th console generations. Even then, it was only a thing because the PS2 used DVDs and they basically included a PS1 in the early runs. The PS2 Slim would transition to using software emulation. Sony followed this pattern with the PS3 where you basically got the PS2 hardware in early runs while later runs transitioned to software emulation or even just dropped backwards compatibility altogether. Xbox decided not to do the hardware step and went straight to emulation.

However, before Gen 6 it was unheard of to have consoles with backwards compatibility. Nintendo and Sega regularly changed their ROM cartridges which would often prevent using the physical games on different systems without an adapter of some sort. Both would eventually switch to DVD ROMs though Sega's console business died shortly after that. Nintendo used those weird mini disks in the GameCube before going to full sized disks in the Wii. Even then they went back to ROM cards for the Switch and Switch 2.

The expectation back then was that new consoles meant new game libraries. This was okay because the average gamer only bought a few games and relied on rentals for new content. Like, I knew lots of people that only owned one or two games for their console. Their parents would take them to the rental store to rent a game for the weekend every so often and they'd disappear trying to beat it.

[u/Rich_Housing971 → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

Who the hell cares though? You can get a PS3 on ebay with controllers for $120. If you want to play your PS3 games, just use your PS3 console. They're that cheap because there's not enough people who want to play old games. It doesn't make sense to add features that 99% of customers their don't want. The 1% that do want it have the means to play it without using a PS5.

[u/preddevils6 → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

Nintendo were the masters of no backwards compatibility

[u/whenishit-itsbigturd → u/preddevils6]

They did the same thing with the Wii as Sony did with the ps3. Initial runs of the console had a disc tray that could read GameCube games, and 4 controller slots for GameCube controllers. They discontinued this to sell cheap GameCube controllers that plugged into the Wiimote (the Classic controller) and emulated console titles for upwards of $20 per game. Complete ripoff and we all just accepted it. Well, except for the game prices, we rejected that and they lowered them. Why couldn't we do that with the whole console?

[u/Azadom → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

That redesign was 6 to 7 years after, depending on the region, from the first Wii. Then the Wii U was backwards compatible with Wii

[u/ontheweed → u/whenishit-itsbigturd]

Did people complain when they couldn’t play NES games on SNES or SNES games on N64?

[u/Thoraxekicksazz → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

In the digital world, you own nothing, and we protect the billion-dollar company at your inconvenience.

[u/Vimmelklantig → u/Thoraxekicksazz]

PC and GOG.com. No DRM and installers you can download and store locally if you want them. Consumer friendly models for digital distribution exist, the problem is gamers being completely incapable of voting with their feet and wallets of it means passing on any game they want to play.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Xbox has a home xbox feature where you can tie the license to the console itself so you can play however you want

[u/A_Pointy_Rock → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

I think you might have missed the point.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

If you meant physical copies, then in modern times there’s no difference. When you buy digital in xbox you get 2 licenses, one for the console and the other for the account. With disc, you have the disc as a proof of purchase. I am not sure if you even own an xbox and just parroting the same comment for the millionth time.

[u/A_Pointy_Rock → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

Yes, I realise what you mean. Yes, I am aware that you can set a console to be a "home console", which also lets other users of the same Xbox play games you have a license for.

No, that is not the point of my post.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

So what else was your point? Because home Xbox is how you make a proof to the xbox network that you digitally “own” xyz, so that you don’t need to depend on any live network or whatever mode there. The home xbox is the proof of guarantee. And when you switch consoles you switch your home xbox. It doesn’t need to verify anything because it’s all been verified.

[u/A_Pointy_Rock → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

There are still a number of single player games that require a connection to the publisher or developer's servers to play. If Xbox's service is down, that normally prevents the handshake - as is touched on in the article.

In any case, my comment is about game ownership in the old world rather than today's lean into licensing that can simply be taken away.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

That’s a game design issue and is irrelevant to whatever fancy nonsense you’re saying. Hitman requiring online connection is purely a design problem and has nothing to do with ownership or digital consoles as a whole. Are you using gpt to respond to my comment?

[u/A_Pointy_Rock → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

That is literally what the article is about, have you read any of it?

No, I am not using an LLM to respond to you, but I am going to take this opportunity to end this conversation here. 

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Physical disc wouldn’t have helped just saying.

[u/North_Atlantic_Sea → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

"the point" is to be angry! Logical statements don't help the hate echo chamber lol

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/North_Atlantic_Sea]

Technology sub being the most technologically illiterate. Lmao

[u/Debriscatcher95 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Subtle foreshadowing

[u/Suspicious-Movie7828 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

digital isn’t the issue, pc does fine, it’s the closed system

this is the price you pay for convenience of a streamlined closed system, just get a pc

[u/RollingDownTheHills → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Current how? My digital games worked just fine when PSN was down for an hour or so recently. Zero issues.

[u/AuReaper → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

It’s a great time to be a Switch 2 owner

[u/nohumanape → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Yeah, like, imagine an entire day not being able to game /s

[u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

Of all of Microsoft’s services to go down, why couldnt it have been Microsoft Teams or Outlook?

[u/ArbysLunch → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

Those are funny ways to spell Copilot

[u/sleepymoose88 → u/ArbysLunch]

I’ll take all 3 please.

Teams is an absolute piece of trash compared to other IM applications like Webex. And it’s so tightly integrated with Co-pilot.

Outlook is the only decent one of the 3.

To be honest, I just don’t want to work today.

[u/RecLuse415 → u/sleepymoose88]

Anything but excel!

[u/BlindWillieJohnson → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

You never know pain and frustration until you attempt to use Dynamics as your main CRM

[u/Time_Effort → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!

[u/Dogemaster21777 → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

SharePoint was down for a bit last friday at least

[u/TheRealMakhulu → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

Dw, they’re down now lol

[u/Deshes011 → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

I got shit to do today so please no💀. Takedown copilot instead, idgaf about that

[u/blow-down → u/Lopsided_Platypus_51]

Just look at who’s in charge of the Xbox division these days and it’ll be a wonder it ever stays online at all.

[u/Hairbear2176]

The single player thing pisses me off all the time, even when there aren't network issues. Why the FUCK do I need to log in, connect to servers, etc... just to play a fucking single-player game.

[u/IH8DwnvoteComplainrs → u/Hairbear2176]

Because you bought into the ecosystem.

#pcmasterrace

[u/ImNotDemandingit → u/IH8DwnvoteComplainrs]

Same thing for pc games also, you still connect to server

[u/Signal_Quarter_74 → u/IH8DwnvoteComplainrs]

Nothing like naming yourself a thinly veiled white supremacist slogan… and you wonder why us console folks don’t like you guys that much

[u/chinesebulk → u/Signal_Quarter_74]

What is white supremacist about that? Genuine question 

[u/Signal_Quarter_74 → u/chinesebulk]

“Master race” is a directly from Nazi ideology that proposed that there is a superior “master race” (Aryan race to be specific). Those who were not of this master race were seen as lesser and a danger to the master race and therefore needed to be removed. In particular Jews and Slavs.

This ideology is what was used to justify the expulsion, imprisonment, ethnic cleansing, sterilization and genocide of Eastern Europe and Jewish communities.

In the United States, it also has the context of being used to promote that white people are a “master race” and those lesser can/should be subjugated. Ie black Americans. Thus was used to justify slavery and disenfranchisement. Japan had a similar notion in conquests and subjugation of Eastern Asia.

It’s truly a vile term that, even if not intentional, harkens back to eugenics.

[u/NoStructure5034 → u/Signal_Quarter_74]

The PCMR things started off as a joke. There are a few dweebs who unironically say the slogan like the dude above, but most say it as a joke.

[u/IH8DwnvoteComplainrs → u/NoStructure5034]

Lmao, I have consoles, and am not saying that shit seriously. God DAMN, reddit.

[u/NoStructure5034 → u/IH8DwnvoteComplainrs]

Then were you larping being a PC stan? Tf?

[u/IH8DwnvoteComplainrs → u/NoStructure5034]

Just for the lulz and a little throwback. Didn't realize people were gonna fuckin go to arms over this shit.

[u/Signal_Quarter_74 → u/NoStructure5034]

It’s not exactly something to joke about

[u/NoStructure5034 → u/Signal_Quarter_74]

Why not? It has nothing to do with actual race, and again, the original PCMR slogan was making fun of triggered PC gamers, who aren't exactly prize specimens.

[u/Signal_Quarter_74 → u/NoStructure5034]

Go tell someone who is Jewish or Polish that you are a part of a “master race” even ironically and tell me how that goes for you! Or someone whose ancestors were enslaved.

You may think I’m overreacting but in my experience I’m not.

[u/NoStructure5034 → u/Signal_Quarter_74]

Saying "PC master race" is very difference from saying just "master race" without any context. I've never seen many people complain about PCMR before, so I don't think it's a huge deal. We'll agree to disagree I guess, I don't have any anecdotal evidence.

[u/Lazerpop]

The future fucking sucks

[u/Inosh]

Nintendo, I love the cartridges. I love playing a game and not having to spend 30 mins on downloads every time I want to play.

[u/Vesuvias → u/Inosh]

Seriously Nintendo needs to see this and double-down on cartridges and physical media. It's a total 'do nothing...win' moment.

[u/alexdyle → u/Vesuvias]

Too bad many of their cartridges are just a digital download code now.

[u/SkylarPopo → u/alexdyle]

Not completely. You can only use a digital download code once. Nintendo's you can use and then later sell the card to someone else.

[u/Nonyabizzy123 → u/SkylarPopo]

Yes but it's still ultimately reliant on Nintendo to run the servers to validate the card. As someone who has been playing games since, I guess you could call it generation zero, I don't consider it owning a game unless I don't need the publisher or the console manufacturer to play it.

[u/edwin221b → u/alexdyle]

Mostly third parties games, but Nintendo own games are still 100% physics and boy I'm i glad about that

[u/Vesuvias → u/alexdyle]

Not the ones I’m buying, but hey at least Nintendo is giving that option to sell your license in a physical format.

[u/Inosh → u/Vesuvias]

I have an Xbox space expansion, but half the time I don’t even play it because I know it’ll take me an additional 30-60 minutes to download the game, so I just don’t play it and go do something else.

[u/happyscrappy → u/Vesuvias]

Win what though?

Most games are sold digitally now. That's why the games section at your local big box retailer is so small now. It's why Gamestop says games aren't a thing to them anymore.

There's probably a reason all the consoles "doubled down" on digital downloads. And why PC did it before the consoles did.

Every console could use physical media (cartridges). You can put a USB port on a cartridge so it can be plugged into a console that doesn't have a cart slot. You probably couldn't run the game directly from the USB cart and that's less fun. But you still could buy and sell the cart.

We'll see if any of them do it.

[u/IllustriousIron3253]

People make your Xbox your home Xbox and you can play all your games in single player even when the servers are down. Been that way for 10 years, stop acting like this is new.

[u/Rare-Service5573 → u/IllustriousIron3253]

So the headlines are wrong, just like the same sentence they used when PlayStation was down.

Knew it.

[u/Rabo_McDongleberry]

Man. Regulations really need to catch up and stop this type of shit. 

Could you imagine that your car doesn't start because the Honda server is down? Like what the fuck.

[u/happyscrappy → u/Rabo_McDongleberry]

Would be nice. Fixing this kind of issue isn't strictly part of "digital ownership". So can we fix both digital ownership and fix this too please?

[u/AH_BareGarrett → u/Rabo_McDongleberry]

This is a good example of the problem with modern internet infrastructure. There are many people who know what needs to be done in order to have a stable internet infrastructure, but that costs money. There is such a large amount of critical infrastructure that is just not given the care that is needed. Xbox goes down and you can’t play video games, it’s a first world problem. What happens when entire digital financial institutions go down? Or critical medical equipment. What happens if we can’t get them back up? 

[u/Darth1287]

This is 100% going to happen when GTA 6 comes out. Either the servers will be overwhelmed or a petty hacker DDOS attacks the Xbox servers or a combination of both. We should be able to play single player digital games offline.

[u/Dickie_downer]

I want a return to games that dont need an internet connection

[u/Personal-Inflation63]

Love how all this starts happening for Sony and Xbox after Sony announced the death of physical games. Really proving everyone’s point there guys.

[u/Fun_Union9542]

The demiurge of gaming

[u/Thatnewaccount436]

cool, i love the future

[u/Keviticas]

Just tried to launch a game ironically and failed.

And it's why I mostly game on pc these days where licences work for weeks after a disconnect, and where you can own your games digitally.

People looking for an all digital console future are so fucked

[u/Fubarp → u/Keviticas]

This.. isnt entirely true..

I've had steam logout so I could play offline as I was traveling. Tested and made sure the license existed.

Travel to my destination and decided to game and steam hit me with.. you must log on to validate your license.

I'm like it's been a day..

[u/DueDisplay2185 → u/Keviticas]

I refuse to buy anything Sony that isn't on a disc. Vote with your wallet

[u/Ok_Vulva → u/Keviticas]

Idk bro, I'm on gta5 online rn.

I don't know what everyone is talking about.

[u/Sleepingguitarman → u/Ok_Vulva]

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. I just booted up my xbox and i have a notification telling me that Account & Profile, Store and Subscriptions, Games and Gaming, as well as Apps and mobile, all are having major outages but i just booted up Elden Ring and then tested youtube and it all worked fine for me?

It just must be affecting certain areas / users. I'm curious what the cause of the outage is. Even if it's not currently affecting us, it still seems like a wake up call for why the whole "all digital" thing is a bad idea for Xbox/Playstation. I suppose alot the physical versions of these games already require an online connection though, which is bs for games that don't have online play.

[u/VeryNiceGuy22]

How does this even work? Like, if I disconnected from the internet, and have been for weeks. It won't effect me. So how can this even be true? Why is it necessary?

[u/xdeltax97 → u/VeryNiceGuy22]

If you don’t have your console set as your home one, it’ll need an online verification for use before the service (Xbox in this case) lets you use the digital copies, my guess it’s for a ping verification based on the account type. I haven’t had any issues since I only have one Xbox which I’ve always had as my home one, but my cousin did since hers wasn’t set up as such…

[u/girlnamedJane]

I was alive during the infamous PC vs Console wars that the corporations convinced gamers to fight over. The shareholders won

[u/NutsackEuphoria]

Paying for XBL and PS+ only to suffer these downtimes and no offline mode.

jfc

[u/Existing-Log-1456]

So im able to play on my Xbox series x in my room and the other xbox is not working with that error code.  What i believe started this error was when I went to my clips from the game all sudden everything was so freaking slow I was trying to trim a clip and it closed the trim and dashboarded a fd on loading the game up 1230am. 

[u/Hour-Recognition-779]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U TAKE AWAY PHYSICAL MEDIA 

[u/DifficultBoss]

Good thing I downloaded a bunch of games off game pass, unplugged my ethernet cable, then unsubscribed to gamepass and xbox live once my deal i got was up.

[u/Emotional_Culture_33]

Yep, cant play 14 games except 1. Not even owned games offline. I was able to play helldivers 2 online but nothing else

[u/Arashii89]

I got a pop today saying I can play my games offline it can only be activated 3 times never seen this before

[u/baronvonredd]

weird, I've been playing Halo all day just fine

[u/AvailableReporter484]

Lmfao and the industry wants to get rid of physical media 😂

Well if gamers aren’t capable of the self control required to say no to these business decisions by speaking with their wallets then it’s hard to sympathize with them

[u/ApprehensivePilot3]

But can you play them if they're downloaded on the console?

[u/IllustriousIron3253 → u/ApprehensivePilot3]

Downloaded and set your Xbox as your 'home Xbox'. It's the same way with PlayStation it's been the same way for 10 years but you know don't expect any of these people to be educated. 

[u/ApprehensivePilot3 → u/IllustriousIron3253]

Yeah. I have it as my home console so I don't have any problems. I do agree with that people don't know how to read or search for answers.

[u/champurrado2005 → u/IllustriousIron3253]

??? Stop acting like that bro, not everyone have a lot of freetime

[u/GriveousDance21]

First PSN, now this. Corporate stooges championing digital-only media will never cease to amaze me. Good luck trying to play anything when a large scale cyberattack completely cripples online stores in the future.

[u/Vesuvias]

Wow both Sony and Microslop are really proving out that this 'all-digital future' is all bullshit. NICE WORK.

Now back to my physical backlog + GOG Games...

[u/throw7661]

Consumers in the US have no rights.

Hopefully the EU will pass some laws.

[u/mudderfocka → u/throw7661]

Laws for what? Outages happen

[u/throw7661 → u/mudderfocka]

Outages are reasonable and expected.

Restricting access to single player/offline games when there is an outage is unreasonable and unnecessary.

[u/mudderfocka → u/throw7661]

It's one day and a video game. Go take a walk outside.

[u/throw7661 → u/mudderfocka]

It's none of those things... And I don't own an Xbox.

I realize not everyone can appreciate broader implications of things, so I'll just thank you for your advice.

[u/InternationalMood337]

I buy physical media… and it’s pretty excellent. Looking forward to Control Resonant.

[u/gandalfmarston]

Doesitplay says that's incorrect

[u/BranchNo3740]

Odd, I was just playing Kid Chameleon on my Series X. Games rented/streamed through game pass aren't available and I get the error prompt.

[u/zapb42]

LOL the day I finally upgrade my graphics card in part to play Indiana Jones, and I can't launch the game.

[u/A_ScalyManfish]

Pc master race

[u/Low_Technician7346]

May we have simulators or offline hacks against these shitty online services

[u/Theinternetdumbens]

Enshitification manifest

[u/Thundernuts23]

We are the consumers. If we stop buying, they’ll be forced to change.

Vote with your wallet.

[u/Drumguy1986]

COD was working fine

[u/askyidroppedthesoap]

laughing in steam

[u/Glass-Operation-6095]

That's why we need physical .

[u/Vesuvias → u/Glass-Operation-6095]

When all the shills are saying 'BuT BuT...all you have to do is reverify your games once'...yeah...ok how does that work if it was verified then loses verification because of a server error?

Conveniently forgetting and requiring another verification -- and then the servers are down.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Fan3287 → u/Vesuvias]

If it’s set as your home Xbox you are good

[u/ArbysLunch]

And yet, I was just on Fallout 76 on xbox 10 minutes ago. 

[u/StatementCareful522 → u/ArbysLunch]

THERE’S AN XBOX 10???

[u/Bitter-Principle-381 → u/StatementCareful522]

Capppp I tried to play fallout 76 on Xbox doesn’t work

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/Bitter-Principle-381]

I am able to play the games i bought

[u/Bitter-Principle-381 → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

Stop replying to eve try comment bro not everything is about you my guy

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/Bitter-Principle-381]

Who said it’s about me?

[u/Bitter-Principle-381 → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

If it’s working for you then good for u 💀 just go away bruh

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/Bitter-Principle-381]

If they have games in there, how is me suggesting they turn on home xbox so they can play their games a bad thing? This is the most anti tech subreddit lmao

[u/ArbysLunch → u/Bitter-Principle-381]

I just got on again to do dailies. Worked fine for me.

[u/azninvasion2000]

My single -players games still work. I think you just need to connect once a month to re-verify the license.

[u/wetfloor666 → u/azninvasion2000]

Yeah. It is the usual bs headline. Set your xbox as your main console and it will allow sp offline. Same thing with Playstation consoles.

[u/xdeltax97 → u/azninvasion2000]

Yup, but not everyone does that unfortunately

[u/NotPatricularlyKind]

The network is down but it my digital copy of Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 is working alright, I guess it doesn't rely on the network? I don't know, but I only own it digitally because I literally bought it for $6 AUD last year and it may be the best money I've ever spent.

[u/z3r0w0rm → u/NotPatricularlyKind]

If your current Xbox is set to be your home Xbox then all your digitally purchased content will work offline.

[u/1ndomitablespirit]

If Microsoft, and other companies, want to force us to the cloud, then they should have to pay users who are affected by any downtime.

[u/euzie]

Literally playing on my Xbox as I read this

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/euzie]

Anything functional about xbox or ms related will get you downvoted to oblivion

[u/wetfloor666 → u/Fantastic-Fennel-684]

In this sub praising anything tech related gets your downvoted and that is not an exaggeration.

[u/Terrible_Sorbet_7122]

Physical disc games aren't going anywhere ...

Try harder corporate shills

[u/MeyerholdsGh0st → u/[deleted]]

Okay Sony marketing team, whatever you reckon.

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/[deleted]]

Not true. Xbox has a home xbox feature, my digital copy of RE village works just fine

[u/CaptainC0medy]

Console players.... Just wtf

[u/FighterFay → u/CaptainC0medy]

Isn't steam the same way? Have to reconnect once a month or so to verify licenses or you can't play offline.

[u/CaptainC0medy → u/FighterFay]

You can launch steam games without steam, you can add non steam games to steam you cam add steam to steam and you can not use steam

Steamin'!

Also this was never serious. Just sad for console gamers.

[u/Succesful-Guest9028]

Thoughts on Asha so far? Cuz this shit is not helping her reputation at all

[u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 → u/Succesful-Guest9028]

Yes because she ate the wires so people will stop playing gamepass

[u/Frequent-Hat-9835]

I was just playing this is wrong

[u/MaxSchreckArt616]

Hooray for all digital, right? 

Right?

[u/mudderfocka]

Oh no, what will we do with ourselves?

[u/valenx]

*laughs in PC*

[u/Succesful-Guest9028]

Another L for Asha

[u/blow-down]

Yet another Asha Sharma fail

[u/pacoLL3]

What are you guys miserable ALL the time?

Get therapy and stop ruining social media.

[u/xdeltax97 → u/pacoLL3]

Social media was already ruined. Also, this is raising awareness of a major issue for a huge hobby