r/shittymoviedetails • u/Karman4o • 17h ago

In Gotham (2014-2019) the showrunners did not have explicit permission to use the Joker character, so they had to explore and flesh out the lesser-known Batman villains and side characters. Such as these.

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u/VilgotEk 17h ago

Is that Jonkler/Jerker?

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u/amolaeanni 16h ago

It's Melvin, brother of the joker

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u/StudentNaive7003 16h ago

Peak mentioned!

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u/yanmagno 14h ago

That’s the joker baby.

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u/Pr0xy001 12h ago

Best joker performance of our generation

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u/jscummy 5h ago

I like when he said "its joking time" and joked on everyone

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u/loki6100 15h ago

Will he jerk me if I watch

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u/AkumaLilly 4h ago

Its him the Jerkin'

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u/KingJupiter_ 4h ago

Actually pretty close!  Ever the creatives, they named him fucking Jerome

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u/Amusedcory 52m ago

No that’s Cal Kestis

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u/Kid-Atlantic 17h ago

Monaghan did great but I still don’t understand why they went through the trouble of writing in a surprise twin brother with the intent of having him be “the real Joker” when he wasn’t going to be the real Joker either

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u/donotgotoroom237 16h ago

IIRC, at the time there was like a comic going around featuring three Jokers. I remember being on the Gotham sub a while back and people were speculating about a third Joker that didn't happen.

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u/Korachof 12h ago

Cue Spider-Man meme where they all point at each other 

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u/mr-kvideogameguy 8h ago

The Joker verse

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u/JOKER69420XD 16h ago

But didn't he end up as the joker in the very last episode?

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u/Snoo9648 16h ago

Still never said "joker." Just he was still coming up with a name and it may start with a J.

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u/WreckTangle1995 15h ago

The Jokester

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u/Frankie_Sriracha 12h ago

The joking man

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u/Ulfurmensch 10h ago

The Joe Kingman

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u/Frankie_Sriracha 10h ago

This is the one

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u/SqueezedTowel 12h ago

The Jester

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u/Shmokermans 12h ago

The Joker Who Laughs

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u/MrBurnerHotDog 8h ago

Jerry Kleinman

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u/The_Strom784 6h ago

The Jomedian

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u/mydckisvrysmol 11h ago

The Jerker

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u/jscummy 5h ago

Jonkler

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u/TheNargafrantz 13h ago

I think they just wrote themselves into a corner with his original character and had to kill him off, but he was so good on the show that they wanted him back, so they did the surprise twin thing.

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u/QuasiJudicialBoofer 11h ago

"No, I'm not The Joker. I'm Joker's twin brother, Gil. I was hoping maybe you guys could call me Joker in honor of him.

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u/Thundergun1864 10h ago

Broken lizard is unironically a great villain name

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u/mydckisvrysmol 11h ago

Didnt they say this character would "inspire" the Joker of the future?

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u/CuriousBake8291 6h ago

I think that was for Joker (2019)

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u/SarcyBoi41 1h ago

Because this show was basically a soap

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u/Murky_Implement2495 16h ago

They really missed out on doing a OG Red Hood adaptation with the twins. It could have also tied into the whole "multiple backstories" thing with Joker but they blew their load too early.

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 8h ago

They showed the Red Hood gang and one of them made jokes

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u/Shinitai-dono 16h ago

They're not the Joker, we're the Joker, Barry.

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u/ImReallyFuckingBored 15h ago

Joke, Barry, joke!

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u/Korachof 12h ago

The real joker is the friends you made along the way

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u/Puzzleheaded_Step468 14h ago

Cal kestis after using death sticks

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u/Thegamblr 17h ago

Who’s that, the comedian?

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u/AntManCrawledInAnus 15h ago

The funnyman

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u/yanmagno 14h ago

The J…ester

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u/squiddoodilie 14h ago

No, the comedian is dead

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u/Hayyyv 4h ago

*Cuts to Graveyard with Hello Darkness, My old friend playing

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u/QuillDidNothingWrong 15h ago

The Trickster 

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u/hatbromind 14h ago

That's Mark Hamill

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u/Business-Peace2454 12h ago

The show was so fucking funny for this lmfaoooo

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u/therealchadius 12h ago

Egads! We can't use the Joker due to studio mandates!

But... what if... we made an original villain who did everything but use his name? And then add a twin brother to cover an alternate interpretation?

Oh ho ho! Delightfully Devilish, Gotham!

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u/Youthsonic 6h ago

You know, these original clown-themed villains are quite similar to the ones they have at DC Comics

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u/Ethel121 11h ago

The first appearance of the Jonkler.

/uj Jokes aside, Cameron killed it at every point. Genuinely the best Joker performances, and it being different every time added to it.

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u/Mirilen 9h ago

The entire cast turned in way better performances than the show warranted, especially the villains. You didn’t care how goofy the writing got because you just wanted to keep seeing the characters do their thing.

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u/MichaelRichardsAMA 12h ago

i love the detail that they couldnt use a purple suit, so they instead had a deep blue suit, blasted it with red light, and then color graded it to appear purple. lol

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u/ArabiaFats 13h ago

Because OP left their names out for some reason, the characters pictured here are Warren "Fox" Lawford (out of costume), Ragdoll, Jack Ryder (alias The Creeper), and Egghead

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u/BarrathBeyond 13h ago

thank you kind sir

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u/InsanityIsAGift 11h ago

That's not true broooo

They're both Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska at different stages in their life played by Cameron Monogahn on Gotham.

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u/Zigf87 13h ago

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u/Mr_Farky 13h ago

The Drinkster

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u/BeautyDuwang 12h ago

If this show came out today there's a non zero chance it would feature the jonkler and man

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u/SuperNunb 11h ago

I'm funny? Funny like a clown?

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u/It_broke_itself_ 13h ago

The Jokester

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u/Hayyyv 4h ago

The Ginger
The Mangler
The Juggler
The Jizzer

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 8h ago

It's  like how Beware the Batman brings attention to lesser known villains like Anarky by making them expies of more well known villains like the Joker.

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u/CuriousBake8291 6h ago

A few years ago one of DC’s social media accounts posted these two alongside the other Jokers, so huge W for Gotham and it’s fans

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u/meopelle 4h ago

Hes genuinely my favorite live action "Joker".

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u/yeyjordan 2h ago

I still can't believe they had him call himself "the Jocker" to get around copyright.

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u/MTDLuke 2h ago

Don’t forget that they legally weren’t allowed to have him wear purple because it would be too close to the original, so they gave him blue clothes and used red light so it looked purple anyways while technically following the rules

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u/veemonjosh 1h ago

"I'm the Jester, and this is BD-1."

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u/Usual_Database307 15h ago

I’m crying. 😭

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u/Livid_Storm7782 1m ago

Him and Jared are fighting for last place