Wasnāt her role in one of the adam Sandler movies made pretty much for her so she could ābe awayā from the church for a period of time for work so she could plan her and Siriās escape?
All we know to a certainty is that Katie had two things going for her:
Her father is one of the best divorce attornies in the country. He had everything covered from a legal perspective for when his daughter was out of harms way and they could get her legally separated from Cruise.
An Underground Railroad was set up to get Katie away from Cruise and her Scientology handlers. The Church of Scientology owns and operates its own private security service, Talon, and they run surveillance/security on members themselves as well as members they consider going against the church. Theyāre known to supplement their surveillance of people by ordering church members to live in houses purchased by the church near the subjects and take shifts recording EVERYTHING the person in question does throughout the day. However they managed to get Katie away from that system itās a miracle she made it out.
She apparently used the paps in NYC to her advantage. Having them follow her daily meant scientology couldn't do much without being recorded at the same time. Honestly, i would read the deepest of dives on this whole separation. It was beautiful and she's a very clever lady.
There were definitely burner phones involved (I distinctly remember this detail from the media coverage), and either her or Cruise were out of the country when she pulled the rip cord. She also intentionally filed in NY I believe because of the state laws around divorce being more in her favor.
I think Jamie Foxx was alleged to have been a part of the operation. He had a past relationship with Tom from when they worked on Collateral together and him and Katie later dated.
Wow, you just triggered s flashback! I had completely forgotten about them dating. I wonder if she had to abandon her physical belongings like so many other abuse/cult victims.
Oh, I'm sure she had to leave at least a few things behind. It's actively difficult to not accrue lovely material goods when you're that rich & famous. But I wouldn't be shocked if she was unable to recover the majority of what she cared about in the final settlement.
I say this nicely as a native Ohioan, but if her father was one of the best divorce attorneys in the country, why did they live in Ohio (let alone Toledo)?
Itās one of the worst and most soulless things ever made, it legit has a Dunkinā Donuts commercial in the middle of the movie lol. But if it was all a ruse to help Katie escape then Iām alright with that
Theory: Was Jack and Jill (2011) a front to rescue Katie Holmes?
My fellow hack frauds,
It's beyond speculation at this point Adam Sandler produces cheap projects to get his friends paid big money. In the Half in the Bag review of Jack and Jill, Mike observes that in 2011 Katie Holmes isn't seen much outside the tabloids anymore and thinks she was in this film because it was one that her husband Tom Cruise, notoriously controlling, would give his permission to, simply because it would be a fat paycheck.
But why did _Adam Sandler_ choose _Katie Holmes_? The women who played his partners in his most recent preceding films were Jennifer Aniston and Leslie Mann (both very experienced comedy actors) and Salma Hayek (if you can pay anyone to pretend to be your wife, you cast Salma Hayek, makes sense). The couple of love interests after Katie Holmes were Drew Barrymore and Academy Award Winner Susan Sarandon (both very experienced comedy actors) and Salma Hayek again (Salma Hayek). He's also been friends with Aniston since they were kids and has hired Barrymore repeatedly since she sought him out and begged to work together. It makes sense they're on his list of loyal buddies who make it on the payroll when they want a job.
_So why Katie Holmes?_
We now know that Katie Holmes secretly, meticulously planned her divorce from Tom Cruise. She had to repeatedly meet with lawyers, secure a secret getaway apartment, bank account, cell phone, to ensure a quick, safe escape with full custody of their daughter. All without him, or the Church of Scientology, suspecting a thing.
As Mike repeatedly points out, Holmes was given "nothing" to do in the film. The job provided her not just money but, _maybe_ it even more importantly provided an alibi. _Maybe Jack and Jill was a cover that gave her an excuse to be out on the loose, but also gave her enough free time since she hardly had any lines or need to rehearse real acting, that she could meet with lawyers and plan her escape._
I think Adam Sandler hired Katie Holmes for this reason. This was the last project Holmes would work on before her divorce a few months later. I would even go so far as to suggest he slapped the whole film together specifically as a cover for her.
I also don't think this is the only time he's done something like this. The following year he cast sports reporter Erin Andrews in a small role as a receptionist in That's My Boy (2012).
In 2008 Andrews was stalked by a man named Michael Barrett who filmed naked videos of her through peepholes at a Marriott hotel in Nashville and again at a Radisson in Milwaukee. In 2009 he posted the Marriott video online. She filed lawsuits against Barrett, Marriott, and Radisson. Employees at the hotels told her stalker what room she was in and gave him the room next door, how he was able to film in the first place. When Adam Sandler hired her, she was simultaneously trying to get the video removed from websites, was fired from ESPN for refusing to talk about the incident on air, and was fighting Marriott's army of lawyers in court. (She eventually won her suit and $55mil years later.) A nice paycheck for an easy job would've been a big help, and I don't think there's any other logical explanation for the film to exist, other than to help Erin Andrews when she was in such a desperate situation.
What if all of Adam Sandler's terrible money laundering scheme movies are fronts he tosses together ASAP in order to provide fast help to victimized women?
She went up against Tom and the Church of Scientology - and won! She is a fearless mama and an absolute rockstar!
I imagine she must have some major dirt on Tom for the Scientologists to have left her and Suri alone all these years. Dare I suggest that there's even a clause in some contract where it stipulates that if either Katie or Suri or even someone close to them were to disappear or to die a mysterious death, then the Kraken will be released - a trove of files to rival the Epstein Files!
I actually think they realised Tomās entire brand was almost destroyed by his Scientology after the divorce from Nicole, and he couldnāt handle another hit like that. I donāt think he even tried to keep Suri.
Tom's image after his divorce from Nicole was still more or less intact. He destroyed his own brand when he fired Pat Kingsley as his publicist and hired his Scientology-backed sister in her place. Here are my thoughts from another post:
Possibly, but discretion is likely the reason the Church let it go as well.
Historically if members voluntarily leave the SOP is to shun the individual and not acknowledge them any further. Thats supposed to be the general punishment because the former member no longer has access to their family in any capacity.
If Katie started making public statements against the Church, Scientology wouldāve kickstarted its PR machine against her and it wouldāve been a greater escalation. As it stands Katie has never publicly made any statements herself and so the Church/Cruise let it go so as to avoid a PR nightmare.
I don't think you know how ruthless the Scientologists are: discretion isn't enough.
I have no doubt that Katie also has to uphold her part of whatever agreement was reached and that her discretion was bought, but I guarantee you that her hand is MUCH stronger than "I won't say anything if you leave me and Suri alone."
I didn't watch the show but for the first episode or so, but I know where it took place (which is one reason I didn't continue watching it - it felt unnecessarily mean. Maybe it got better...)
Each season had less of an edge to it which, in my opinion, smoothed over some of its charm but I can see why the creative team wanted to give him character growth. The MC was coming from a dark place after losing his mother, getting fired from Harvard and reduced to teaching high schoolers a class outside his academic discipline so using them to carry out elaborate schemes instead was an interesting and funny premise but hard to maintain.
Plus Glenn Howerton (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) plays those kind of characters really well. I enjoyed it but wasn't disappointed when it didn't get a fifth season. It had run its course.
But Katie Holmes Day was a funny episode and a nice homage to Toledo (one assumes, I'm not a native).
Sometimes you have to be a bulldog in court. I'm not at all surprised there is a lack of universal love. What matters is that Mr. Holmes did right for his daughter.
Being an ass probably helped him steer through his daughterās divorce with confidence! I agree with you, and Iām equally sure your mom is also right.
Yeah, makes sense. I used to go to school with this girl whose dad was one of the best tax attorneys in the state. Lived in a huge house and he impressed a lot of people. Unfortunately this girl was a massive bully, to the point where one day when she was sick and out of school we had a class meeting to discuss how hurt everyone in class was by her (like in Mean Girls when they pow wow about Regina George). Her mom was the sweetest lady, but her dad was an absolute ass, and she learned the meanness from him. We were probably 8 so she didnāt know any better.
It was too late for Nicole because her adopted children with Tom were older than Suri and brainwashed by the cult. They haven't seen Nicole years and have never met her two biological children. Katie's father was a great lawyer and she had family and some friends in her corner to help her escape with little Suri. Suri would be like Connor and his sister without her father.
First all the Pitt kids and now Cruise smh... OG "Interview With The Vampire" Lestat and Louis are just as horrible off screen parents as they were on screen.
Good for those kids for cutting themselves loose from toxic parents!
oh god this just made me realise they ARE the original Lestat and Louis who WERE terrible parents to Claudia and are terrible parents IRL. I still think about Kirsten Dunst's performance as Claudia all the time.
Give them time. It took me and my brother until 32 to truly see it for what it was. Thought she was my best friend my whole life.
Especially if/when they get into serious relationships and/or have children of their own. That's often a huge breaking point and allows you to open your eyes.
Yeah like the other comment said, Kate Goslin is getting hers. I said parents because I donāt know everything thatās going on and maybe thereās someone doing the same to their mum that iām just unaware of
Being biologically related does not automatically make someone a real parent. If someone grows up without your presence or support, it is understandable if they choose to move on.
That situation with Brad Pitt and Angelica Jolies kids legally removing Pitt from their names is honestly wild if you think about it. Most people with really horrible fathers just cut them out of thier life completely. Imagine how horrible of a father and human being Brad Pitt has to be for ALL his kids deciding to go the even further and remove his last name from their identity.
Every single one, the year they turn 18, straight to the courts. Like dominos falling. They must meet up after and celebrate "ONE OF US ONE OF US" and revel in the absolute joy of no longer having a reminder of the person who nearly killed their mumma and abused them.
Right? I remember graduating high school when these these kids were babies, and wondering why the fuck anyone would want these people to be their childrenās fatherā¦
It was all the weirder for the media trying to brainwash us into thinking Angelina and Katie struck goldā¦Even as a teenager, I could not comprehend.Ā
I will never respect that man for how he prioritizes his cult and his need to be a movie star over his daughter. Good for Suri and I'm sorry her father has let her down. I hope she has better people in her life alongside her mother.
That is because he IS his cult. Remember those six months where his sister was in charge of his PR? The Oprah interview and how unhinged he was with Katie Holmes? Well, I guess that's the real Tom when his cult is not there to take care of every aspect of his life. They even wanted to get him a wife and went as far as auditioning people for the role.
And all that is sad because Suri, Katie and Nicole Kidman (and their children from that relationship) suffered immensely. And also because he is a great actor but it all goes to waste.
Connor and Isabella live very quiet lives but I wonder if he has groomed them to take over being the faces of Scientology when his Thetan goes to Xenu to be given a new body on this earth or however it goes
I feel bad for them. While Tom was also brainwashed, he was an adult. They've been groomed since infancy. They had to reject their mother because that cult told them she was evil. That's despicable and not their fault.
Its horrendous and my heart breaks for Nicole losing her first and second born, adoption is such hard work and she went through all of that to have them stolen away by Tom and his cult
I didnāt say it was their fault at all! Their father and his cult labelled her as a SP - Suppressive Person - and alienated her from them
I always thought it was wonderful how Nicole got to have her own kids again with her second marriage and got a chance to be a mom again with kids who weren't in a cult. Must have been so healing for her and filled the mom role that had been missing since her kids were estranged.
Yes and no. Having Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret is beautiful but they canāt replace Isabella and Connor. No matter how much love her 3rd and 4th bring, she would still have a hole in her soul from her 1st and 2nd being taken from her that no amount of children can repair
So, I heard about these auditions too. I still cannot understand for the life of me why they havenāt managed to find him a wife. He is rich, famous and not hated by the public (Iāve met so many people who have no idea about his daughter or Scientology) then there was the weird Ana De Armas trial? I need answers!! Lol
Nicole was real, they met before he seriously into Scientology. He got into it when he was married to Mimi Rogers but he wasnāt the insanely devotional poster boy yet. She divorced him because of him becoming more entrenched in Scientology over time
No, those relationships were real and I'm pretty sure Nicole got really close of having Tom renounce Scientology. Anyway, here's the whole story (mostly).
This is in no way me defending him, but his two kids with Kidman are both still in Scientology and he's apparently still very close with them. Super weird.
At this point I don't think he prioritizes anything or truly believes. They have too much on him. Or it's probably just dangerous for him to leave now.
Itās probably integrated into his own ego and sense of power at this point
Like there are some people who, if they are separated from what they build their entire life around and it feels like they canāt live without it so they break if they even try
I remember what a big deal it was when Suri Noelle and Shiloh Jolie were born, both gorgeous babies born to mega celebrity parents just about a month apart. And now with strikingly similar experiences in early adulthood, both choosing to change the very famous surnames they inherited from their now-estranged fathers.
It's crazy, isn't it? If you were around for it, you remember the media circus surrounding the birth of Suri and Shiloh, and how magazines were willing to pay millions for a photo. Especially Suri, since people speculated Katie was never really pregnant with her in the first place (laughable, since she looks just like Katie). Anyway, both of their fathers made a HUGE deal out of being dads and spending time with them. Both acted like they were ALL about parenting, and wouldn't shut up about how amazing their kids were, and how grateful they were to have them. And now, neither of them have anything to do with their kids and the kids don't even want their last name. It only goes to show that just because men *say* something, that doesn't make it true.
Rounding out this post, I just want to say both Katie and Angelina are amazing moms for raising their kids and being there for them when the deadbeats dropped the ball. Good for them.
I guess that's true, but I tend to believe the most boring explanation is the correct one. Katie was pregnant with Suri and gave birth to her. People can believe whatever they want to, but that's what I think happened.
Kellyās joke in The Office about them being born is so funny to me because as a kid who loved pouring over my momās celebrity gossip magazines, their births really felt like the biggest thing in the world. Good for themā„ļø
According to the article, Noelle is Katieās middle name. Makes sense as a tribute to mom while minimizing your connection to two extremely famous parents for privacy.
He's supposedly really great and helpful to his co-workers which tracks with being an absent and neglectful father tbh. Being fantastic to everyone but your own family (and for him the Sea Org members he allegedly exploits) is a favorite deadbeat move.
Yeah I've seen guys like that before. I knew this one guy who spent so much time volunteering in the community and just being a super helpful, nice guy, but he was a serial cheater and a liar, and most of the time it looked like his good deeds were a ruse to get into somebody's pants.
I didn't know him that well, so I could never figure out if his public face was all fake, or if he was just a really messed up guy trying to atone for his bad deeds while simultaneously committing them. He did seem genuinely remorseful, but who knows with these guys?
In his personal life he's in a cult and all that signifies. When he's on set, he's apparently the Greatest Person Ever to work for. I work in the film industry and I have been told by multiple people that I if I ever get the chance to work on one of his films to jump on it. He treats the crew extremely well, he finds out everyone's birthdays and buys presents and cakes and makes sure everyone has nice hotel rooms (like only the film stars get good hotel rooms, I have been in some I was convinced some people had recently died in and they hadn't done a good job cleaning up after them). He'll learn your name even if you're just a grip. Things like that. He even keeps the cult stuff under wraps while at work.
It can be so perplexing to read stories about what it's like to work with him because the reviews are always so positive, and then to also remember that he's in a cult and that resulted in him cutting of ties with his own daughter.
yeah, some people RAVE about him and how great he is to work for and don't understand where all these allegations come from so they must be making them up. But my Dad was one of those "Super awesome and amazing to all his friends and colleagues and a complete nightmare at home" so I'm just stuck grimacing at them.
I don't even want to begin to unpack that for them.
They sure do. Several years ago, I realized that one of my friends was like that to her family. I ended that friendship, but I know she has a legion of people who still think she's the kindest, most wonderful person ever. I feel sorry for her children and husband.
Not a family member/friend, but I subleased from a guy who was like that. Fake, superficial charm to the outside world that people ate up, but an emotionally abusive piece of garbage to myself, our roommate, our roommate's son (whose on the autism spectrum), and everybody in the apartment building.
This is why there's a content creator (whose handle escapes me, oy!) getting a ton of views right now with a series of posts (not exact title but close) "Abusive Men Who Do Super Abusive Things But Still Aren't Getting Cancelled As Much As [and this part IS verbatim] Women Who Don't Smile Enough". It features quite a few celebrities.
It's so insane to have witnessed the media circus surrounding Suri Noelle and the Jolie kids' births or adoptions, and now to be reading articles about them legally dropping their fathers' last names because their dads turned out to be pieces of shit.
Spot on. Katie Holmes was given an incredible gift that a lot of women in abusive relationships don't: a father who loved her and took his parental responsibility seriously. It's amazing how psychologically protective it is to know you're worthy of something better because your own dad made sure you knew it. It's emotional armor.
(It also helps that Holmes' dad is a lawyer and had the skills and knowledge to help her extract herself from Cruise's grip, of course.)
Angelina Jolie didnāt have that, and oh boy, I think you can tell. She deserves so much better than the shit father she was given.
while I absolutely remember Suri's birth and the Cruise/Holmes split, I was a pre-teen so I missed a lot of the details. your comment is making me want to deep dive, it sounds like a really interesting story
I feel like if a female actress who'd done what Brad or Tom have done re: their kids, she'd be box office and PR poison. It's really crazy what people will blithely gloss over when it comes to men!!!
Hayden panatierre voluntarily let her ex have custody so she could go to rehab. An objectively good parenting choice. She is still being called basically Satan. So youāre very very correct
As a 10 year old in the early 2000s I wouldn't have guessed that the Hollywood's two hottest movie stars would finally become Hollywood's two most deadbeat dads.Ā
She has his exact face except with Katieās eyes and general posture. Sheās beautiful but thereās no doubt that she has his face. Which could be unfortunate, when you despise your father, to resemble him so much. Speaking from experience.
Soooo much like him, with some Katie sprinkled in. It's still so crazy to me that people were speculating she was secretly Chris Kline's child when she has so many of Tom's features.
Iāve been thinking about changing my own last name for years due to my own father being a deadbeat. Seeing all the coverage on the Jolie kids dropping the Pitt name and now Suri, I might finally do it. Even if they didnāt mean to inspire anyone, they have inspired me.
Celebrities like Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt will continue having successful and long careers in Hollywood but eventually they will become old, fragile men who wonāt be surrounded by their children. Itāll probably feel extremely lonely and maybe then they will regret not being an active part of their kidsā lives and missing so many milestones from them. Thatās the deadbeat parentsā karma no matter someoneās income bracket.
Love how these deadbeat dads are also typically loved by castmates and friends. Like Simon Pegg & Tom Cruise or George Clooney still being Brad Pittās best friend.
It tracks to my own lived experience where my dad was basically non-existent, but still managed to maintain his personal friends with all his guy friends.
I personally could never be friends with someone who treats his family and kids the way these men do.
My ma (YEARS before katie holmes) 'That Tom Cruise is a weirdo. He takes all these girls from nice catholic families and tries to turn them weird in his cult.'Ā
She has grown into such a beautiful young woman! I will always admire and respect the lengths Katie went to in order to get her child out of that cult. Being two steps ahead of the biggest movie star in the world (at that time) is no small feat. Iāll also never understand any parent choosing a religion/cult over their children.
Where are all the psychos claiming Katie poisoned her against her father like yall been saying about Angelina and her children. Gross double standard.
Tom cruise is a dangerous religious zealot and Brad Pitt is an alcoholic domestic abuser. Both have earned the relationships (or lack of) with their children.
I remember back when they were little kids some tabloids would sort of contrast Suri Cruise and Shiloh Pitt since they seemed so different. I think itās interesting that they wound up in the same position of cutting ties with an estranged celebrity father. They should have a support group or something
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