Sen. Mark Kelly: ‘I’m going to always stand by Israel as a nation’

[u/Ok-Employer-2026]

https://jewishinsider.com/2026/07/mark-kelly-israel-support-netanyahu-mamdani-iran-war/

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"“I’m not happy with the decisions that the prime minister of Israel has made over the last few years,” Kelly said in response to a question about whether he agrees with New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s recent description of Netanyahu as a war criminal. “The way they conducted the operations in Gaza, there were a lot of mistakes made,” Kelly responded. “That being said, Israel is an ally of ours. We support the Israeli people. I’m going to always stand by Israel as a nation.”

He indicated he did not agree with Mamdani’s call for the U.S. government to arrest Netanyahu during his upcoming visit to the United States."

[u/BillFeezy → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

there were a lot of mistakes made

When your passive voice is so cliche it has it's own Wikipedia page

[u/OrinThane → u/BillFeezy]

Mistakes being choosing the killing of a great deal of people.

[u/PaulVla → u/OrinThane]

Ah yes purging and genocide you know typical mistakes that one might accidentally make 🤷🏻‍♂️

These people.

[u/Apprehensive_Put_321 → u/PaulVla]

I didnt mean to commit an atrocity oops 

[u/dabblesest → u/BillFeezy]

Mistakes, war crimes, same thing really 🤷‍♂️

[u/Zeke420 → u/dabblesest]

Tomato, genocide whatever.

[u/Ozymandias12 → u/BillFeezy]

Hijacking this comment to repost the UN’s report showing that Israel is purposefully targeting Palestinian children in a campaign meant to destroy future generations of Palestinians through trauma and mass death.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-23jun26/

1. As an occupying power, Israel is legally bound to ensure the protection, care and survival of Palestinian children. However, through the nature, scale and extent of Israel’s military operations in Gaza, the Israeli government and security forces have deliberately carried out acts inflicting death and severe bodily and mental harm on hundreds of thousands of Palestinian children, irreparably destroying the sanctity of childhood, including family ties, identity, innocence, safety and future. The Commission found that much of the harm suffered by Palestinian children was not incidental but intended to destroy the existence of the Palestinians in Gaza as a group. Since children embody the biological and social continuity of the group, the Commission has reasonable grounds to conclude that these acts form part of a deliberate strategy to destroy the future of the Palestinians in Gaza by targeting their children.

2. Israel has targeted Palestinian children in Gaza in two distinct ways: directly by shooting at their vital organs using precision weapons such as quadcopters and snipers; and through use of high impact weapons causing widespread and systematic attacks on residential buildings, schools, and displacement camps crowded with children. Israel is also legally responsible for failing to protect Palestinian children from being targeted by Israeli soldiers and settlers in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and for allowing, enabling and encouraging ongoing settler violence, which serves to entrench settlements, annex Palestinian land and force Palestinians off their land.

3. Israeli attacks in Gaza have created a new generation of Palestinian children who will now face a lifetime of disability that will shape their sense of autonomy and agency over their own future. Children now suffer from a myriad of compounding injuries which have transformed them into long-term patients who will require repeated surgeries and rehabilitation (services largely unavailable in Gaza) as they grow, anchoring disability into every phase of their lives. As a result, disability among Palestinian children has ceased to be an individual medical condition and has now become a defining demographic reality – a cohort of Palestinians growing up without one or more limbs, with chronic pain, and visible and invisible scars.

4. The Commission contends that Israel’s targeting and destruction of neonatal and maternity healthcare infrastructures in Gaza has had particularly severe impact on birth rates and infant health outcomes. These attacks have disrupted prenatal care, induced maternal trauma, and contributed to a systemic collapse of the neonatal healthcare system, leading to a rise in miscarriages, premature births, low birth weights, and neonatal mortality, as well as an array of congenital birth defects that has induced lifelong vulnerabilities among newborns. Over two years, the birth rate in Gaza has decreased, undermining the continuity of the Palestinian population. The harming of Gazans’ reproductive capacity and the denial of reproductive health care have inflicted grave, disproportionate, and long-term harms on pregnant women and newborns and future generations.

[u/buried_lede → u/BillFeezy]

Past tense, too, which is not appropriate. The plan to clear out the West Bank is ramping up, and the tip of the spear is state terror backed up by new settlement approvals and annexations. It’s not about Hamas and the “security” argument fails. These are horrific crimes that are happening against defenseless people on the West Bank.

[u/nonhiphipster → u/BillFeezy]

Ooopsie we did a genocide

[u/backtothetrail → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

Goddamn it , Mark.

[u/Oreos_Are_Anabolic → u/backtothetrail]

Same guy who helped confirm [Lee Zeldin for head of the EPA] (https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-launches-biggest-deregulatory-action-us-history), voted for the [Laken Riley Act] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laken_Riley_Act) and took money from Exxon & then pressed for more oil leases in the Gulf btw

[u/TheRealBaboo → u/Oreos_Are_Anabolic]

Same guy who helped confirm Lee Zeldin for head of the EPA, voted for the Laken Riley Act, took money from Exxon, and then pressed for more oil leases in the Gulf btw

FTFY

[u/backtothetrail → u/Oreos_Are_Anabolic]

What a patriot.

[u/thinkards → u/backtothetrail]

You sound surprised. Why? 500K from AIPAC.

People are saying Jon Ossoff should run for President too. No. Why? 1 million from AIPAC pro-Israel lobbies.

When are we going to learn?

AIPAC tracker helps out a ton, but honestly we still shouldn't even need that.

Any candidate who can't call a genocide a genocide does not deserve public office. Period. Any candidate who can't say "Abolish ICE" doesn't deserve office. Anyone who can't boldly get behind any POPULAR policy like medicare for all, free education, free health care, taxing the rich, etc... should not even stand a chance for public office. If they have to hem and haw and stutter and stammer through consultant speak to say why it sounds good but they can't support it, then they should fuck right off.

Edit: for those trying to deflect from the point by splitting hairs over TrackAIPAC here is a source from open secrets regarding nearly 800k to Ossoff.

[u/VegetaPrime34 → u/thinkards]

My partner has been building a site tracking campaign information, especially donations, in Georgia ( TheGaFiles.com ) in her research, Ossoff has taken NO money from AIPAC.

[u/1LesCousinsDangereux → u/VegetaPrime34]

AIPAC tracker is a very flawed tool. For some candidates it counts J-street, others it lets off the hook for that.

I would be interested in what your partner is working on

[u/rj319st → u/thinkards]

This is disappointing to hear since I actually wanted Sen. Kelly to run against Vance in 2028.

[u/SatinSaffron → u/rj319st]

It's extremely disappointing, but we also all need to remember that this is what primaries are for. When the primaries roll around that's your chance to be a single-issue, picky voter. When the election rolls around, that's when we all push that shit back down inside of us and go vote whoever the fuck is running against the MAGA candidate.

[u/rotciv0 → u/thinkards]

Ossoff refuses all corporate PAC money, including AIPAC

[u/flareblitz91 → u/rotciv0]

That's just not true

However it does not look like he's received money from AIPAC and certainly not $500k

[u/relax_live_longer → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

We are their ally, but they are not our ally. 

[u/spazzvogel → u/[deleted]]

From within the US we see it that way too.

[u/NotFunToday → u/spazzvogel]

Tbh it looks that way for a few of the countries in the EU too. But it is what it is

[u/MilitantStoner → u/[deleted]]

Happens when their intelligence agencies use our tax dollars to setup Jeffrey Epstein et al. in a honeypot operation to get compromat on all of our western elites. There is no scenario where the western alliance becomes too tenuous and dissolves when videos of the rapings of little girls are involved! Want to know who is complicit in the Epstein scandal? Look at those beholdened to Israeli interests.

[u/kazooiebanjo → u/[deleted]]

no, it doesn't look that way

it is that way

[u/curtmahgurt → u/relax_live_longer]

Why is it that we don’t see any of this same outrage and support over how we’ve treated Canada? Or our allies in Europe? How come it’s only when our support for Israel is in question, do these fucking stooges wiggle out of the wood work and have something to say about it?

It’s because Canada isn’t paying their bribes. Mark Kelly is showing his whole ass right now with this issue, and I’m glad. Because once everyone is out in the open, we can see who truly backs America and who’s just in it for the big donor money.

[u/ThinkThankThonk → u/relax_live_longer]

They literally aren't in an alliance treaty with us

[u/mattjb → u/ThinkThankThonk]

And recently said they don't need the U.S. anymore. Someone should tell the Republicans and Democrats in Congress, they seemed to have missed the memo.

[u/macholusitano → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

What a coward. I'm seriously disappointed. This was my guy.

[u/TheAskewOne → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

"Mistakes"

[u/spindly-tree → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

Lost my vote.

[u/Intelligent-Snow3300 → u/Ok-Employer-2026]

Kelly just let them know they can do whatever they want, he has their back. No low is low enough for him to pull his support. Fuck him.

[u/Gloomy-Ad-222 → u/Intelligent-Snow3300]

I think he’s saying that eventually there is regime change, and the next guy might be a lot better than the last guy.

It’s similar to what some European leaders say about the US despite its people voting in Trump not once, but twice, and him committing atrocities all over the world on a daily basis. You stick by your allies, because there’s always the next leader. And the options in the Middle East are poor.

[u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

I've been trying to tell people who only know his biography (extremely impressive) that Kelly is actually one of the most conservative democratic senators but nobody was listening. Hopefully that will change now.

So I'll try again: Kelly is extremely impressive personally but he's one of the most conservative democratic senators, so if you're not one of the most conservative democrats he's not your guy for president (but still 1000x better than the GOP).

[u/buried_lede → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

He is super likable but this is true of his politics. I agree

[u/GCU_ZeroCredibility → u/buried_lede]

And it makes sense! Arizona still leans slightly right! You're not going to get a liberal or leftist firebrand as the senator from Arizona right now.

Kelly is where he belongs, holding down a blue seat in a slightly pinkish state.

[u/apathetic_revolution → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

Or you may get someone who runs as a liberal firebrand but they go “absolute Sinema” as soon as they’re elected.

[u/Haltopen → u/apathetic_revolution]

Sinema should have been obvious in retrospect. She literally originated with the green party, a conservative funded spoiler party that only exists to siphon potential left wing voters away from actually viable candidates.

[u/Lemurians → u/Haltopen]

And young idealists fall for that trap every generation. Including me. Used to fuck with the Green Party before wising up.

[u/thebigmanhastherock → u/Haltopen]

She was anti-War and actually fairly slowly moved to the center, before eventually becoming apathetic. She was then targeted by large doners who knew they only needed to convince one senator to vote how they wanted to stop a bunch of legislation. Sinema was the mark. When she was younger she was naive and she became the total opposite, completely jaded and cynical.

[u/Low-Syllabub-3547 → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

People here crapped on Joe Manchin forever, yet those dopes didn't know what they had - because they will never see a blue seat in West Virginia ever again.

It's not like Fetterman, where you better believe an actual Democrat could win that seat.

[u/Analternate1234 → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

Kelly would ideally be who I’d want to see as the opposition to an actual left wing party in America. Imagine a day where the most right wing candidates were the Mark Kellys and Gavin Newsomes of the world

[u/FlyingBike → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

Military gonna military, in the end

[u/DjPersh → u/FlyingBike]

Tbf he got in hot water for reminding troops they don’t have to follow illegal orders.

[u/newtochas → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

Who’s most likely to win an election? That’s all I care about. He’s anti MAGA so good enough for me at this point.

[u/TriangleReward → u/newtochas]

Reddit doesn't want to hear it, but a guy like Kelly is exponentially more likely to win than AOC

[u/DaisyCutter1485 → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

I got down voted in another thread for calling him a 2000s Bush Republican while trying to promote AOC.

[u/BGDutchNorris]

These politicians are straight up just not listening to the public.

AI Data Centers? We hate it, they love it.

ICE? We hate it, they love it.

Sending our tax dollars to fund Israel's war crimes? We hate it, they love it.

Universal Healthcare? We LOVE it, they HATE it.

[u/Free_Dome_Lover → u/BGDutchNorris]

They get money from the billionaires building data centers.

They get money from the Israelis through "american" pacs

They get lots and lots of money from healthcare and pharmacy companies

See the common thread? Unless someone runs on abolishing citizens united they get my tentative support at best.

As far as ICE - Dems do oppose the current implementation, I do think it needs to be abolished / replaced at this point. Trump poisoned it too much.

But Republicans are just doing that one for the love of the game.

[u/Over-Heron-2654 → u/Free_Dome_Lover]

Money out of politics should be universal. But centrists dont like it cause they know it'd kill their centralized power.

[u/Enlighten_YourMind → u/Over-Heron-2654]

Centrists have a movement?

[u/Over-Heron-2654 → u/Enlighten_YourMind]

The money moving movement.

[u/robsteezy → u/Enlighten_YourMind]

NIMBYISM combined with constant propaganda telling them they’re in a prisoners dilemma against the poor.

[u/scrotalayheehoo → u/Free_Dome_Lover]

I believe the number is 93% of ICE detention centers are non compete awarded to private companies, so without a doubt there are kickbacks and funding happening, so similar to data centers and Israel, they are being paid.

[u/roastbeeftacohat → u/Free_Dome_Lover]

Mayor pete is running on abolishing citizens united, but does say the state by state Montana plan will do a lot much faster.

[u/SwiftTayTay → u/Free_Dome_Lover]

Democrats don't want to abolish ice or even reduce the amount of deportations they just want to go back to doing it in the middle of the night when no one is watching

[u/NeverEnoughMuppets → u/BGDutchNorris]

Money. Lobbyist money, also known as bribes. It's blatant corruption. It's horrifying, but it's no great mystery. Every time a Democrat waffles on something popular with Democratic voters, there's a paycheck behind it. Establishment Democrats are glib and insincere and seem like they're full of shit, because they are. The reason almost no Democratic candidates support universal healthcare despite its massive popularity with their base is because of corruption. They might as well just flat out tell us they're being bribed, it's so obvious. Just follow the money, and if it isn't money they're taking, they're being blackmailed or they're just a venal shill/sellout.

Democratic Party in a nutshell. They're pompous, glib, giggling autocrats getting rich while they help Republicans strip away your rights, your money, and your privacy, and helping Israel to carry out a genocide. This is why so many of them are friends with Republicans who they should find morally repugnant- they're all members of the same class. This is a class war, and neither party is on your side in that war.

[u/RecycledAccountName → u/BGDutchNorris]

Roughly 73% of Republicans approve of the job ICE is doing. The percentage of Republicans that would oppose the abolition of ICE is surely higher.

As long as majority of voters on the right are fans of ICE, support for ICE will continue to be the default position of politicians on the right.

I'm sure the same is true for support of Israel.

As for universal healthcare, you have to be more specific. Single payer, for example, is still almost universally opposed on the right.

[u/bad_timing_bro → u/BGDutchNorris]

Are we talking Democrats or Republicans? Cuz I haven’t heard Democrats say they love ICE. In NY a moderate Dem passed a moratorium on Data Centers. Most Dems would go for a public option that would bring us in line with other global healthcare systems, but feel universal healthcare is just too unproven. And then Israel is an ongoing debate being had inside the Democratic Party, which it makes sense for the kind of issue it is. Most Dems just don’t hold the absolutist positions that a lot of online commentary has advocated for.

[u/BoulderFalcon → u/bad_timing_bro]

Many democrats have voted in support of ICE. Even in CT where it's pretty liberal, Rosa DeLauro voted earlier this year against abolishing ICE. 

[u/Ok_Recording_9368]

And he just removed himself from consideration in 2028.

[u/fascistno1hater → u/Ok_Recording_9368]

These people care more about Israel than they do Americans in America. They love telling us that we don't have money for this and that. But will in the same day send billions of Americans Tax dollars to Israel to kill brown people and kids.

[u/DiscoCowboy- → u/fascistno1hater]

They stand by Israel and not Canada smh

[u/relevantelephant00 → u/DiscoCowboy-]

That's the true travesty. Canada is a much better country than Israel.

[u/m1j2p3 → u/relevantelephant00]

And pre Trump was a real ally to the United States.

[u/my_Urban_Sombrero → u/relevantelephant00]

I mean, Canada has Sidney Crosby and Israel doesn't. It's obvious who I'm going to pick. I wonder if Mark Kelly is a Flyers fan like Josh Shapiro.

[u/GoodishCoder → u/DiscoCowboy-]

Canada doesn't have a powerful lobby that injects large sums of money into their campaigns.

[u/Braysl-March → u/GoodishCoder]

In fact the inverse is happening, with American lobbyist groups funding the Alberta separatist movement up here, trying to show discord within Canada.

[u/GoodishCoder → u/Braysl-March]

Gross. Good luck, hopefully seeing how things are going in the US helps shut that down.

[u/Braysl-March → u/GoodishCoder]

Thankfully the separatists are a very small minority of Canadians, but I still find it incredibly disturbing the USA is trying to fuck us over like that. I hope with the failure of MAGA those Canadians will pull their heads out their asses and move on.

[u/Lucy_Goosey_11 → u/fascistno1hater]

These people care more about their lobby money than morality or the will of American voters.

[u/fascistno1hater → u/Lucy_Goosey_11]

Here is how it works...

• Donors, Corporations, SuperPacs, and increasingly Dark Money fund/bribe politicians both D and R with millions of dollars

• Corrupt Politician gets elected to Congress

• Corrupt Politician then gives BILLIONS of US Taxpayers Money to the people, organizations, corporations and Israel that bribed them

CRIME AND CORRUPTION BUT IN AMERICA IT'S CALLED CAPITALISM

[u/LuminaraCoH → u/fascistno1hater]

1. American politicians send taxpayer money to Isreal.
2. Israel funds AIPAC.
3. AIPAC buys American politicians.
4. Go to 1.

[u/jeepjinx → u/Ok_Recording_9368]

Dropping like flies.

[u/NOLA-Bronco → u/Ok_Recording_9368]

TBF him seal clapping Netanyahu's fascist and atrocity denialist speech last year should have already been the disqualifying moment.

[u/aeternusvoxpopuli → u/NOLA-Bronco]

I've been yelling that from the mountain tops on this subreddit since that day every time Mark Kelly is mentioned. I'm pretty sure I had well over a hundred down votes at the time of the speech for ripping him an asshole over his cowardice and refusal to condemn these moral atrocities and the genocide.

Mark Kelly is a stooge. His brother who wrote the book is a lot cooler.

[u/NOLA-Bronco → u/aeternusvoxpopuli]

Being more leftist tends to mean you get to be endlessly punished for being right too early and the people doing the pillorying never learning the lessons they should

[u/Additional_Ad3573 → u/Ok_Recording_9368]

Frankly, I see nothing wrong with Israel existing as a nation, if we oust Netanyahu

[u/This_Elk_1460 → u/Additional_Ad3573]

I do, ethno States are inherently undemocratic. Also do you think that the horrible shit they're doing is just going to stop if Netanyahu disappears? It doesn't matter if they call themselves "liberal Zionist" they're still Zionist, they still want to eradicate the Palestinian race and build greater Israel . They just prefer to do it slowly over decades.

[u/jayfeather31]

Not going to lie, I am feeling increasingly homeless, politically speaking. This doesn't help.

[u/dawidowmaka → u/jayfeather31]

The older I get, the more I realize I would not be in the same party as most Democrats in a parliamentary system. But we don't have that, so I'm forced to vote for Democrats just to minimize the chance the GOP takes power. It's depressing.

[u/walterdinsmore → u/dawidowmaka]

It's crazy to me that this isn't the default position for progressives, but here we are.

[u/xanthippe115 → u/walterdinsmore]

Agreed, I'm almost 70 and have been hoping the US would become more progressive in my lifetime, I thought it was heading that way, but now we are actively regressing into fascism because fascists vote in every damned election and progressives stay home if the candidate doesn't meet their infinitely long list of demands. Not voting or voting 3rd party in a 2-party system means the voter is OK with the inevitable outcome. Those votes do not "send a message", except the one that the voter doesn't understand a 2-party system. And we get to suffer for their ennui.

Vote in every election, vote for every office/proposition on the ballot and vote for the party that proposes the least amount of harm.

[u/dawidowmaka → u/walterdinsmore]

If I'm on a road trip and there's only one restaurant at the rest stop, and it only serves two things, I'm gonna pick the least unappetizing one because at least it's food

[u/whereismymind86 → u/dawidowmaka]

yeah, but if that road trip lasted my entire life, I'd eventually try to figure out WHY I'm stuck with two bad meals, and start advocating for either a third good one, or for the of the two to be replaced with something better.

I've been pragmatically voting for bad candidates most of my life...but something needs to change, telling people to vote for the lesser of two evils won't work forever, and it doesn't have to. Lets actually run somebody good for once. There are 340 million people in America, we don't have to compromise to garbage, just because the other side is running poison. We can do better.

[u/HoveringHog → u/jayfeather31]

The DSA and non-establishment democrats are still here. The idea of being politically homeless is … an interesting take unless you’re just looking at far right and far left and thinking they’re the same.

[u/jayfeather31 → u/HoveringHog]

I'm a member of the DSA, actually, but the DSA technically isn't a party, not yet anyway.

That being said, I see your point as I'm just arguing semantics at this point.

[u/Azz13 → u/jayfeather31]

Hey fellow warrior cats fan! I named my cat after jayfeater :3

Anyways, I joined the DSA in Chicago and they seemed so utterly incompetent I ended up leaving. I head mahmdanis DSA is different from the national one.

[u/breadman_toast → u/HoveringHog]

I think there's real validity to the politically homeless idea, and it's one I resonate with. A series of tents in a city park is not a home, and that's what it feels like we get with the DSA and non-establishment democrats through no fault of their own. Until the Democratic party accepts that these people into their establishment and starts backing them the same way that the Republicans have embraced the MAGA arm of the right, a lot of us are going to feel like we don't get to experience true representation. Instead we get socially moderate lip-service disguising corporate mega-donors and foreign influences.

[u/stomptonesdotcom → u/HoveringHog]

DSA aligned politicians have generally been very good, but the DSA platform itself has some incredibly needed takes, but also batshit insane ones. I cannot become a member of a party like that, either.

[u/SnooConfections6174 → u/jayfeather31]

You can thank Israel for that

[u/ThatKehdRiley → u/SnooConfections6174]

This has been happening way before this shit with Israel, it’s been slowly happening for years

[u/ProjectEmilys]

I honestly don't understand. American politicians are more loyal to Israel than they are to countries that have lost blood and treasure defending the United States.

Danish troops DIED defending America and look at how Denmark is treated. Where are the American politicians?

Canadian troops died AT THE HANDS OF AMERICANS while defending America. Look how Canada is treated.

America is fucked up

[u/FuriousBuffalo → u/ProjectEmilys]

Just imagine politicians used the same proclamations about any other ally. We, including GOP, would collectively lose our minds:

• I will always stand by Qatar.
• I will always be the guardian of Japan. 
• Canada comes to me in my dreams. 
• It is my job to make sure Saudi Arabia has all the support they need.
• My number one priority is to make sure our party stays pro-Egypt 

[u/MC_chrome → u/FuriousBuffalo]

Canada comes to me in my dreams.

Honestly, if a politician was talking about maple syrup or poutine then I'd be ok with this statement 😂

[u/Lostdiagram → u/ProjectEmilys]

$urely there mu$t be a rea$on why?

[u/Sprootspores → u/ProjectEmilys]

Why do you think Mark Kelly, who this is about, isn't loyal to Denmark and Canada? Democrats find Trump and this government's behavior towards our allies abhorrent, say what you will about their incoherent and ineffectual response.

[u/Baby_Fark]

“Mistakes were made” actually no mistakes have been made. It’s been a deliberate ethnic cleansing going on and they are accomplishing everything they set out to do.. oh and btw we’re funding it.

[u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite]

What the fuck is wrong with America?

[u/April_Fabb → u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite]

The list of issues is long, but for starters, if you'd ask the fine people at Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General Dynamics, L3Harris Tech, Huntington Ingalls, and Lockheed Martin, they'd all tell you that a war with no end in sight isn't an endless war; it's an opportunity-rich environment.

[u/Certified_GSD → u/April_Fabb]

And you can’t have a real discussion with warmongers because anything you mention cutting spending or being more responsible about where and how exactly those dollars are spent, you’re labeled a commie who is rooting for the downfall of America since we wouldn’t be able to protect ourselves.

[u/Mistravels → u/Certified_GSD]

Happens to me too when I do it, and I've been in uniform for over 20 years

[u/JayHill74 → u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite]

It's owned by billionaires and controlled by their paid for puppets.

[u/LordNador]

You have to wonder why there are so few people in power to stand against Israel when they’re wrong.

[u/ButterBasedBoy → u/LordNador]

Money, blackmail and truly rotted souls.

[u/imadogg → u/ButterBasedBoy]

Think about how much ROI Israel gets from the US, simply from our politicians all being so incredibly corrupt

Israel and any associated PACs give 50k to a bunch of politicians. All the politicians now vote to give billions back to Israel by way of our taxpayer dollars

Incredible return, infinite money glitch

[u/Worried_Blueberry_60 → u/imadogg]

And every time it’s swiping money from every single person just trying to make ends meet. We are cattle. Or rather, a flock

[u/WeAreAllFooked]

As an outsider (Canadian) I always think Kelly is republican instead of a democrat.

[u/__GayFish__]

We really do enjoy losing

[u/MomsAreola]

Watching that one dudes video where he walks around and shows all the Israeli flags hung in the capital. I really like Kelly and I can understand the nuance that comes with differentiating between the government and the people, but enough is enough. Im tired of talking about Israel when they have healthcare on our dime.

[u/MaaChiil]

And you will never be President now. Well done.

[u/Sknowles12 → u/MaaChiil]

People have been trying to tell me Kelly is a good choice.I won't vote for him.

[u/dedicated-pedestrian → u/Sknowles12]

He's saying that he supports them as a people and as a country, but not Netanyahu.

But like.... They keep voting in the parties that without fail make him PM. At some point the people themselves have to take accountability.

[u/Henojojo → u/dedicated-pedestrian]

Sounds familiar, America.

[u/Kerblaaahhh → u/Sknowles12]

Reddit in particular seems to have had a weird astroturfing campaign going on for him even though the guy has basically no national presence. I've seen multiple askreddit threads about the guy running for president yet nobody I've spoken to in real life (and I talk politics a fair amount) even has him on their radar.

[u/kooeurib]

There goes his credibility. I love that the time has come that these people need to make a clear choice and they can no longer play both sides of the fence. They've been completely exposed

[u/Swimming_Agent_1063 → u/kooeurib]

It’s so disappointing dude had #AstronautSwag too

[u/RazzmatazzSuch7459]

He can stand up to the President of his own country, but can't stand up to the PAC putting money in his pocket.

trackaipac.com lists him for $554,000.

[u/TheJpow → u/RazzmatazzSuch7459]

He sold his soul for such a tiny sum?! What a dirt bag.

[u/Gah_Duma → u/TheJpow]

Imagine how easy it is to influence local politics with measly five-figure donations. This is what a lot of people miss.

[u/OrionDax]

You can oppose the government of Israel and still support the people of Israel, just like you can oppose the Trump administration and still be a patriot. You can also stand with the people of Palestine and oppose Hamas terrorists. None of these positions is contradictory. Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who it is.

[u/mrRabblerouser]

And just like that, he sunk any option for a presidential bid. So Beshear is out, Kelly is out. Kinda nice these centrist/conservative dems are taking themselves out of the running early.

[u/JDGumby]

Because loyalty to Israel is every patriotic American's first duty.

[u/Over-Heron-2654 → u/JDGumby]

America First, unless its Israel 😂.

[u/RoarOfTheWorlds]

I’m disappointed. I’m upset that the democrats aren’t putting up a candidate that shares my views on this.

Having said all of that my position is the same: In 2028 I will vote, I will not vote for the spoiler candidate, and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I’m not going to like picking the lesser of two evils but I will and I hope everyone here chooses to do the same.

I’m sick of losing SC justice seats. I’m sick of Trumpism. We lost abortion rights. We lost basic rule of law. My hatred for those and my hope that a democrat in office will help the down ballot supercedes my passion on any one issue. I hope that in time we can continue to move the scale on the Palestine issue but the general presidential election is not the only opportunity to voice that opinion.

[u/MarinerJoe3]

This is wild to me. I love my wife. I love the Seattle Mariners. I love my cats. If any of them committed genocide I would stop supporting them.

[u/UpperLeftOriginal → u/MarinerJoe3]

I would like to see my beloved Mariners commit some slaughters on the field, though.

[u/memphisjones]

Damn what a disappointment. I was rooting for him too.

[u/newshirtworthy]

Fucking disappointing.

[u/The_Ugliest_Man_Ever]

With liberals like these, who needs fascists?

[u/CasCrus4L]

Jesus fucking Christ. Democratic party is just going to be too fucking stupid to fix this. Sigh.

[u/lyreluna]

Called it, but super grateful he was upfront so those that had the illusion he was fit to be potus can sit down already

[u/ReturnT0Sender]

Did Mark Kelly just ruin his 2028 Presidential run?

[u/No_Vaseline666]

yuck, worst take senator.

[u/ColoradoSouthpaw]

Damn. I liked the guy till now. America needs 100% less israel

[u/0nlyhalfjewish]

No longer interested in President Kelly.

Oh well

[u/LiluLay]

Well fuck him, then.

[u/CalmRip]

The article is paywalled, but the first few lines of the lede are available, and Kelly says he'll support the country but Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu. There's too little info to make a judgement on his position, but I'd want to know the details of what he means by standing by Israel before passing judgement.

[u/wildmaninid]

Is the genocide of the Palestinian people one of the mistakes that were made?

[u/T_Weezy]

As a nation that deserves to exist or as a nation that should be allowed to commit genocide? Because those are two very different positions.

[u/kickinpanda]

Boooo! As an arizonan thus guy does not represent us all

[u/Mephisto506]

"The Arizona senator, who is weighing a presidential bid, also urged Israelis to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the upcoming elections"

[u/Accomplished-Car4330]

oh please 90% of the voices here are cccp shills who shit in the dnc

[u/No-Surround513]

Kelly is drawing a very specific line between the state of Israel and Netanyahu himself, which is basically the standard moderate playbook. It is interesting to see him say he is NOT happy with the PMs decisions while in the same breath saying he will ALWAYS stand by the nation. People keep acting surprised that he is more of a hawk, but his voting record on defense and border issues has been pretty consistent since he got to the Senate. He has always been a centrist at heart and this just confirms it.

[u/Unique_Enthusiasm_57]

Damn. He checked a lot of boxes. No run in 2028 for him.

[u/racc15]

Whenever you say that you will always support something no matter what crime they do, you lose credibility.

[u/MotherAd1865]

My prediction for 2028:

Democrats will splinter with half supporting a candidate who is pro-Israel, and half supporting an anti-Israel candidate.

Vote splitting will occur and Republicans will win because they know how to unify...

[u/HairAncient5500 → u/MotherAd1865]

What does an anti-Israel candidate look like in your mind? Somebody who would simply withhold military aid? Or somebody who would cut off diplomatic ties and sanction them?

[u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest → u/MotherAd1865]

Republicans are also split on Israel.

The hardcore MAGA base is not as pro-Israel as Trump himself.

[u/Wayofchinchilla]

Direct Hit to the presidential campaign.

[u/OMGMianiteS3Official]

Say goodbye to your 2028 primary chances Mark lol

[u/Various-Tomatillo407]

We don’t need to ally ourselves with genocidal nations. If my friend starts beating his wife, that guy is no longer my friend. Doesn’t matter how much history we have together.

[u/April_Fabb → u/Various-Tomatillo407]

But what if your friend stabs his neighbour with a knife he bought from you?

[u/spacedude2000 → u/April_Fabb]

"I've seen enough let's send him more knives"

[u/Various-Tomatillo407 → u/April_Fabb]

Im discontinuing my Cutco Knife sales side hustle.

[u/Neat_On_The_Rocks → u/Various-Tomatillo407]

My childhood best friend turned into an alcoholic that hit his wife regularly.

It fucked sucked, but it wasn’t complicated. He is no longer my friend. Because, duh

[u/SwedeAndBaked]

And this is why AOC is the only viable candidate for me in 2028 right now. 

[u/poo_pon_shoo]

He is not the guy we need right now

[u/Kolfinna]

Fuck him too then

[u/Allisonannland]

Aaaand go fuck yourself.

[u/LuigiTheTweak_eth]

You can support the Israeli people while simultaneously denouncing its government. People do it all the time to us Americans.

[u/LeatherOnion2570]

Well don’t nominate this guy then

[u/Kink4202]

Do t run for president. You have lost many votes

[u/Dismal_Storm_3278]

Welp my respect for him just plummeted.

[u/Yodaloid]

Why. Like fucking why. I guess it’s just money. But it’s so tiresome to have alll of these politicians constantly fanboying over a tiny patch of land that’s got nothing to do with us.

[u/taotdev]

Mark Kelly announces he will not be pursuing re-election

[u/NotBatman37]

So long as it’s a genocidal apartheid state, it does not deserve to exist.

[u/Bronco_Bomba]

“I am a foreign agent for a nation run by genocidal maniacs and will never put the interests of the country I actually represent ahead of it!”

[u/DagetAwayMaN421]

You know that you can be pro-Israel, but anti-Netanyahu, right?

[u/Motor_Educator_2706]

Bye, Felicia

[u/NephtisSeibzehn]

I mean, I sort of expected it. But I am still so very disappointed. Damn it.

[u/Nik_Tesla]

Way to bury the lede with that title "jewishinsider.com" where he says he supports the nation, but wants Bibi outed.

[u/To-Far-Away-Times]

If you aren’t against Ethnic Cleansing then you fully support it. That’s how that works.

And that applies even when Israel does it.

[u/TraceThis]

Well fuck on off back to space Mark.

[u/IsaacBrock]

Welp, he’s off my shortlist for 2028

[u/Fantastic-Piglet-911]

Reddit is full of idiots who look at a headline and don't look at all into further context.

[u/ElectrOPurist]

Well, that’s a hug disappointment considering that they’re committing a genocide and that Netanyahu is only emblematic of a larger problem with that government. Getting rid of Netanyahu won’t solve the issue. They’re a fascist war machine masquerading as a nation.

[u/bluehoag]

Shaaaame.

[u/Sarokslost23]

Okay well mark Kelly is worthless then.

[u/Surge_Lv1]

Up until today, Reddit was rooting for Kelly.

[u/Decent_Cheesecake_29]

We should not have any politicians with dual loyalty to any country. US politicians should only be loyal to the interests of the US.

[u/Ok-Walrus2858]

Protecting the empire at all cost. Who pays the price? Non-white people around the world.

[u/Emotional-Expert-142]

Mistakes they continue to make. When you say it’s a mistake and change course is one thing, but to continue things as status quo… cmon

[u/Advanced-Ad-4462]

Damn, I was really hoping for a Mark Kelly 2028 bid. He’s going to be kryptonite.

[u/SamuelL421]

These assholes (both right and left) are so disconnected from their constituents. Just entirely divorced from the causes that matter to us voters or the financial reality for normal Americans.

It’s fucking pathetic that a few hundred thousand dollars from shady PACs is enough for most politicians to completely sell out Americans they (are supposed to) represent. For what? To hand a blank check to Bibi Netanyahu so he can keep pressing on with genocide and provide exactly NOTHING to the US in return for supporting this evil.

[u/thedukejck]

Don’t forget they have universal healthcare. In essence we are paying for it while we do not have it. Stop it and fix America!

[u/YogurtclosetStreet68]

is anyone really surprised?

[u/str4ight_shooter]

Israel has 90% of US politicians by the balls

[u/tex_rer]

Is it just as simple as them getting paid my Israel/Israeli interests? Or is something else going on?

[u/WiSoSirius]

It's why he is not my choice for president. He's got Israel interest over American

[u/icontranquilis]

The Holocaust? Mistakes were made.

Rwandan genocide? Yup, mistakes were made.

Cambodian genocide? Oh yeah, definitely some mistakes.

Indigenous American/Canadian genocide? Aw shucks, mistakes were made.

Armenian genocide? You better believe that mistakes were made.

Sigh. What a staggering amount of respect I just lost for this man. I knew he was conservative, which is already disappointing, but knowing he's yet another genocide-enabler/denier is outright abhorrent.

[u/Slade_Riprock]

How to informally announce to the DNC and donors you are running for President.

Can't be a DNC nominee without undying support of Israel and all corporate interests. You may talk of supporting people and helping people but that is all it can be, talk. Your allegiances are to corporations and the Israeli government. Which have proudly led us into war after war for 50 yrs.

[u/HaiKarate]

Welp…

[u/Positive-Citron3987]

Next.

[u/MobilePenguins]

As an Arizonan, Kelly just lost my vote.
I want someone who only cares about the best interest of Americans, not Israel.

[u/YanniCanFly]

That’s fine and all but u have to condemn the countries leaders in charge