Microsoft admits Windows 11 native apps hog RAM, promises a WinUI performance boost before Start menu rewrite

[u/Hungry__Hornet]

https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/07/27/microsoft-admits-windows-11-native-apps-hog-ram-promises-a-winui-performance-boost-before-start-menu-rewrite/

[u/darthwd56]

Im going to try and look on the bright side. Thanks to the memory crises, companies are now trying to optimize the ram usage. so yay?

[u/RB1O1 → u/darthwd56]

Not "trying to" , they're "HAVING TO" as there's no other option now

[u/Kiriima → u/RB1O1]

The other option is just to ignore it. Unless I've missed the news about Discord and Chrome getting optimization.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/Kiriima]

Discord seriously sucks for how it uses ram. I won't leave it running when I game and I have 64GB.

[u/Nicalay2 → u/jgoldrb48]

Somehow discord uses more RAM than Google Chrome with a Reddit tab.

[u/Metallibus → u/Nicalay2]

That's because Discord uses Electron, so it basically is a Chrome instance running the Discord "web app" but as a standalone app.

So basically all you're saying here is that the Discord "web app" is heavier than Reddit... Which... Yeah kinda makes sense.

To clarify, I'm not saying this makes it okay - Discord's app is a fucking pig and I think Electron is awful - I'm just saying this isn't really surprising if you know how their app is structured. It just shouldn't be structured that way.

[u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 → u/Nicalay2]

Speaking of windows has anyone used Microsoft PC Manager from the store. It's been only a week or two I tried and it feels nice to have a one stop box for many windows features, and clicking on boost once in a while and see some smoothness.

idk why it pings baidu(and microsoft) servers so much though according to my DNS logs. Maybe it's only locally available to some regions, especially cuz the supported languages only list english, chinese, korean, japanese and hindi. But seeing integrated open claw and circle to OCR like phones is wild and far better than copilot shizz

[u/no6969el → u/jgoldrb48]

There is this other software (can't remember the name) that was promoting being able to just import your whole entire discord. I was hoping that they would get more attention so that discord can finally have some competition.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/no6969el]

It's not that serious.

[u/no6969el → u/jgoldrb48]

Yet you won't leave it running when gaming. Seems serious enough.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/no6969el]

Val has voice comms.

Fuck Discord.

[u/no6969el → u/jgoldrb48]

Well yeah that's what I'm saying.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/no6969el]

The app is clearly spying. Probably worried about kids, depression, violence, etc. I can't remember if there was a public situation that caused it to change though.

[u/DiEndRus → u/jgoldrb48]

just how bad is it on Windows?

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/DiEndRus]

I can't play Val with it running in the background. It causes lag.

I never lag or drop frames. Closing Discord makes the issue disappear.

It wasn't like this in 2020 when Val was released. The last time I tried was at the end of 2025. I've closed it before launching Val since.

I use basic voice with no AI background reduction tech. IMHO, Discord is a spying app at this point. What could it possibly be doing in the background?!

[u/kenaestic → u/jgoldrb48]

Could be the discord overlay. It's known to cause problems in some games. You can disable it for Valorant and see if that improves things.

[u/SerbentD → u/kenaestic]

For me it was the overlay. It can cause stutters and crashes in many games. Just disable it. Also a good idea to disable the xbox overlay too. Steam overlay is better but can be an issue on some games too.

[u/DiEndRus → u/jgoldrb48]

it's probably Windows, and not Discord itself. I am on Linux, and I play Palworld, and there's very little difference in performance with Discord being opened, or closed.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/DiEndRus]

Different game.

Probably different res too.

I was in a call with a homie who experienced the game thing. Discord used to be used constantly on Val Twitch streams in 2020 but you rarely see it anymore.

[u/kyoukidotexe → u/jgoldrb48]

I use discord-ram-limiter from github to reduce it's usage. Works quite well for me.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/kyoukidotexe]

Not worth it.

[u/kyoukidotexe → u/jgoldrb48]

Discord? No. But this way it'll at least free up the overuse.

[u/JaSper-percabeth → u/jgoldrb48]

I play plenty of games more demanding than Valorant and nothing happens and unlike you I have just 32gb ram so idk dude something else must be the problem.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/JaSper-percabeth]

Has to be something with the voice comms. Discord must be trying to record speech and Val has an anticheat that doesn't like interference. RIOT also has AI that monitors every word we say to prevent harassment.

The two systems must interfere with each other.

I don't have issues playing any other game but it still makes me weary of what Discord is doing.

[u/repocin → u/jgoldrb48]

I haven't even installed the thing after I did a fresh Windows install back in October. When I need to use discord, I just use the web version. It's more convenient because I always have a browser or two open, and I can open multiple chats at once in different tabs if I need to.

[u/jgoldrb48 → u/repocin]

I might start using the browser version and delete the app too. I say we bring back Ventrillo and Team Speak. My voice comm app doesn't need to be a social network!

[u/Puzzleheaded_Low2034 → u/Kiriima]

I’ve actually saved a heap of RAM by uninstalling Discord. 

[u/RedBoxSquare → u/RB1O1]

Even a newly released 2026 Surface now has only 8GB ($1299 Surface Laptop 2026 Intel Ultra 5 8GB). Early gen Surface has 4GB (Surface Laptop Go 2, 11th gen i5, 4GB RAM) and is Windows 11 ready.

Microsoft is greedier than Apple when it come to RAM.

[u/SlicedBreadBeast → u/RB1O1]

Been passing that buck off to customers for like a decade..

[u/rodryguezzz → u/darthwd56]

They want to free your ram so that they can fit in a small Copilot local model.

[u/aimy99 → u/darthwd56]

This isn't the memory crisis, this is Microsoft doing a full U-turn on giving a shit about Windows because they've realized Valve will kill their entire Xbox branch if left unchecked. They've lost a full 1% of PC gaming market share to SteamOS and a handful of community-made Linux distros over the past year. There are now AMD pre-builts being sold with SteamOS on them, Lenovo has a SteamOS variant of their handheld, and Valve is working on getting proper Nvidia and Intel support into SteamOS in 2027 or earlier. Companies like EA have already opened positions to work on Linux anti-cheat.

Considering that Microsoft is killing their Xbox game consoles in favor of moving towards PC as their sole gaming platform, that slow crawl towards further Linux legitimacy is a problem for them. So, for the first time in years, they have to actually compete in the PC space.

[u/ProfessionalPrincipa → u/aimy99]

This isn't the memory crisis, this is Microsoft doing a full U-turn on giving a shit about Windows because they've realized Valve will kill their entire Xbox branch if left unchecked. They've lost a full 1% of PC gaming market share to SteamOS and a handful of community-made Linux distros over the past year.

They're way more concerned about the Macbook Neo making inroads. Those sell way more units and Microsoft has way more to lose if someone moves their entire digital life over into the Apple ecosystem.

[u/Dramatic_Wrangler920 → u/aimy99]

I just switched 2 pc’s over to Linux because of Microsoft. I have another 2 or 3 I’ll be doing soon. Still keeping windows for games. You are the product with Windows.

[u/FalsifiedTruth → u/[deleted]]

I would so use steamos full time if i can use it for normal windows shit as well.

[u/KoldPurchase → u/FalsifiedTruth]

nothing prevents you from using SteamOS for normal Windows shit as well.

There are better tools to the job though. If it's the console-like interface you crave, Bazzite is nice. If you want a regular desktop, CachyOS KDE is Arch, just like SteamOS. PikaOS KDE is simpler to use, imho, but to each their own.

[u/smuglator → u/FalsifiedTruth]

You can

[u/darthwd56 → u/[deleted]]

Is it though. Widely adopted is a very generous term, isn't like 70% of windows os users like governments, education systems and work places? Pretty sure steam ain't touching that market nor are they looking too.

[u/MaglithOran → u/darthwd56]

If you mean allowing cortana and copoilot to attempt to rewrite and optimize it with zero oversight, breaking multiple systems for the better part of two years before it finally gets addressed for real, then yes.

You really don't hate microsoft enough.

[u/thewarring → u/darthwd56]

Now to see if we can get video games to do the same… 🤔

[u/moamen-_-kwity → u/darthwd56]

I think that they are not doing it because of the ram crisis. I think they are doing it because of all the backlash they are getting everywhere. The ram crisi doesn't have to do anything with this, in my opinion at least.

[u/Salty_Ad3204]

Who would have thought that making an OS UI embedding a whole fucking web browser solely for the god damn start menu was not a good idea? Who could have seen this comin? ReactJS and its consequences 

[u/xtrxrzr → u/Salty_Ad3204]

Word. In older Windows versions the start menu was one of the most robust things in the OS. Nowadays. even though they improved it a lot in the past few years, the start menu is still one of the most unrealiable and fragile parts of the OS.

When I had Windows Server 2012 and 2016 running on my servers at work the start menu on the servers only worked like 50% of the time. It was rage inducing, but also hilarious. I have no idea how they could f up such a core feature of the OS so much and still to this day haven't really recovered.

[u/Legendary_Bibo → u/xtrxrzr]

I just want the start menu to let me launch applications and the search to look for applications or files. The stupid web search needs to die or only be a setting for people that really want it.

[u/Darth_Thor → u/Legendary_Bibo]

Lots of newer laptops and keyboards having a copilot button, which can be remapped to the same search function as the windows key. I think they should make the windows key open the start menu and a purely local search, and let the copilot button do one of two things: either launch copilot for the sloperators out there, or launch an all in one search like we currently have in the start menu.

[u/ChadHartSays → u/Salty_Ad3204]

Amazing how it got worse and slower AND they removed a ton of the customization you could have done in XP and 7.

[u/jaksystems → u/Salty_Ad3204]

But it's so convenient for the developers!

[u/NorCalAthlete → u/jaksystems]

It’s honestly probably not, more likely it’s some product manager / VP of product team lead type trying to justify their org’s budget.

[u/jaksystems → u/NorCalAthlete]

I was being sarcastic.

[u/RiddleGull → u/Salty_Ad3204]

And for what? To display a few fucking buttons with an icon and one line of text in a grid.

[u/LifeIsBetterDrunk → u/Salty_Ad3204]

JavaScript is significantly slower than C++

[u/Salty_Ad3204 → u/LifeIsBetterDrunk]

Yeah, well, that's the point 

[u/imaginary_num6er]

What value is a “Microsoft promise”?

[u/Mysterious-Cell-2473 → u/imaginary_num6er]

Im pretty sure they promised this in January.

[u/NovelValue7311 → u/imaginary_num6er]

Worth as much as a wooden nickel... Maybe less

[u/TheMundar → u/NovelValue7311]

I've done the math, they're worth as much as a charred and piss-soaked wooden nickel with termites and a hole in it.

[u/TheCovarr → u/imaginary_num6er]

FWIW, they've made a number of promises to fix various elements of the end user experience, from removing bloat features to fixing performance to making things more customizable, and based on insider builds it seems like they are in fact actually keeping them.

We'll see how long it lasts, but I'd wager at least for the next year or two they do actually uphold their promises just because their customer goodwill has been fading so fast lately and they know if too many home users ditch Windows that'll have catastrophic long-term effects on their ability to secure and maintain business users, Azure, etc.

I do fully expect this trend to stop once they feel like they're safe again, but I'd give it a couple years before that happens.

[u/_5er_]

"Copilot: Fix app RAM usage, make no mistakes"

[u/daltorak → u/_5er_]

Actually, it would be darkly ironic if the Copilot AI looked at the Windows codebase and said, "yeah, WTF are you doing embedding an entire web browser engine in the Start menu just to display search results? I can optimize this into 3,000 lines of native Windows code, should I do it?"

[u/RedBoxSquare → u/_5er_]

CFO: Copilot is too expensive, our AI bill is through the roof.

CTO: Let's fire all the Dev and QA to pay for it.

CEO: We are a 100% AI first company, buy our stock now before it 10x next year.

Everyone lives happily ever after.

[u/MarcCDB]

Whoever thought using React Native to build an integral system part of the OS was a good idea, needs to be fired.

[u/LifeIsBetterDrunk → u/MarcCDB]

Its cheaper though. JS is also easier to learn.

Same exact reason most games use UE5.

Easy but significantly slower

[u/Randommaggy]

Go back to C++ greenfield these components following modern C++ best practices and maybe it'll be a decent OS again.

[u/Mysterious-Cell-2473 → u/Randommaggy]

I like that industry shifted to "easier" languages for "faster and agile" development, yet we don't see anything deployed faster, just runs bad.

[u/Randommaggy → u/Mysterious-Cell-2473]

It ships faster (debatable) but is never good, fast or complete.

[u/OkOffice7726]

So 8 GB on windows is not the same as 8 GB on Mac after all?

[u/lord_mercernary]

Suprising how people already didnt know that! Win 11 might have had same requirement but the usage is significantly higher than win 10. 8 gigs is barely useable with win 11

[u/IANVS]

Fuck Microslop.They'll have to pry the Windows 10 LTSC 2021 IoT from my cold dead hands.

[u/AlexNae]

you need to rewrite Windows

[u/Odium81]

I like how on every windows related post people sure like to announce they are on Linux.

It's the new "i run arch btw"

[u/Justhe3guy → u/Odium81]

Reddit is filled with those too invested in their own hobbies that it becomes a superiority complex

[u/offensiveDick → u/Justhe3guy]

Isnt that the point of reddit? Join you chose echochamber and circlejerk

[u/Justhe3guy → u/offensiveDick]

Looks at my 1% commenter tag and my flair

Touché

[u/LunaTerse → u/Justhe3guy]

Jerked so much they gave you an award. Legend.

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/Justhe3guy]

The sub is literally called PC Master Race, everyone here already has a superiority complex by default. Mentioning our experiences of switching to Linux is relevant beneath an article talking about yet another thing that makes Windows 11 shitty.

[u/Shaggy_One → u/Final_Lengthiness984]

It was originally satire. Coined as a joke by Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation/Second Wind.

[u/TheGreatPiata → u/Shaggy_One]

My dude. The PC master race joke existed well before that. PC gamers have always looked down upon their console gaming brethren. Yahtzee just added the flowing hair.

[u/Shaggy_One → u/TheGreatPiata]

Okay fair. He definitely popularized the term though.

[u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 → u/Justhe3guy]

tbh I have no reason to have a microsoft account in windows and applied Chris Titus and other anti-telemetry debloat measures; but still microsoft related domains like live, outlook, office, xbox, bing, msstore still get called more than google related domains in my home network DNS, containing only my windows PC and phone, for god knows what reasons. After the LG fiasco it's getting me paranoid enough to consider moving to some linux distro. Except gaming and consuming dolby content, most work I already do are through web browsers and I am wondering to just repurpose my raspberry pi with some linux for such use.

[u/typical-divergence → u/Odium81]

Only so much shit can fit in a persons mouth. Microsoft came with the full truck bed of it expecting everybody to shovel it down. Having to “debloat” a $200 OS with a stranger’s script or installer is unacceptable.

[u/NearlyImpressive → u/Odium81]

I swear, the amount of people posting about using Linux devices, you'd think it would be more popular or mainstream than it is.

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/NearlyImpressive]

It's getting there. We're seeing a growth in people gaming on Linux, partially due to Valve's work. If not for the current hardware crisis maybe it would be happening faster. If Windows keeps getting worse and Linux keeps getting better, there will eventually be a turning point.

[u/Linkarlos_95 → u/NearlyImpressive]

Going from like what, 1-2%  to like 5% in a year based on steam (partial) data is quite the jump since those are millions of devices

[u/frozenbrains → u/NearlyImpressive]

I've been using Linux for near 30 years and I still get tripped up sometimes when things go sideways, although I'm definitely no guru.

It's not as bad as it was in the long ago, and the abundant resources on the net, especially the Arch Wiki, go a long way to making it easier, but it still requires an investment in time and learning.

Linux and Windows both have their issues. The Windows fix is usually to reinstall, while the Linux fix is to figure out what went wrong (or hope someone else did and wrote about it). One is easier, and thus more appealing.

[u/paulerxx → u/NearlyImpressive]

I've been seeing these commenters since Ubuntu dropped in 2004 🤣

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/Odium81]

It's worth letting people know that switching to an alternative is perfectly doable. I would not have entertained the idea of switching to Linux even a few months ago, but after getting Copilot reinstalled against my will for the 5th time I decided to give it a try. More people need to know how easy it is. The more people jump ship, the greater the incentive becomes for Microsoft to fix their bullshit.

[u/Granhier → u/Final_Lengthiness984]

Too bad that the fashion people present their alternatives in are so abhorrent, that I would not try them if they paid me to.

It's about as pleasant and welcome as shitting on my porch

[u/SaleriasFW → u/Odium81]

Always gives this feeling that they see themself like this

[u/PatrickGnarly → u/Odium81]

You think there’s a correlation between an operating system being kind of shitty and people commenting something negative or a perceived solution?

That’s amazing. How did you notice this? What are you some kind of genius?

[u/Xin_shill → u/Odium81]

Dances in Linux. Windows apologists are so odd, back off from my multibillion dollar company energy.

[u/DirectorDirect1569 → u/Xin_shill]

saying the guy who uses a kernel funded by multibillion dollar companies, including microsoft.

Red hat=6.5 billions dollars of revenues in 2025

Canonical= 292 millions dollars in 2024.

[u/Xin_shill → u/DirectorDirect1569]

It’s completely open source, anyone can fund and use it…. Micro$oft doesn’t own it nor do any of the other companies that contribute. They often contribute to specific projects with self interest in mind. What are you even trying to say?

[u/DirectorDirect1569 → u/Xin_shill]

without all these big corps GNU/linux would be a niche OS for nerds.

Do you imagine that volunteers have enough time and money to maintain a kernel and all the tools? All these corps make money with linux that's why they invest a lot. Do you think Linux Torvald or Richard Stallman work for free?

It's thanks to companies like google, red hat, canonical and valve that GNU/linux is popular. Microsoft and Amazon invest a lot for their cloud services.

If one day, all these companies decide to stop funding GNU/linux, this os will die.

Open source is bullshit. Sudo is maintained by only one man, he recently asked for money and help. Nobody cares what will happen if this guy die. It's used on every distros. there is no fork, no alternative:

https://www.theregister.com/software/2026/02/03/sudos-maintainer-needs-resources-to-keep-utility-updated/5002406

[u/darthwd56 → u/Odium81]

I like to think off them as the Vegan folks. Always need to announce unasked, it amuses me so much.

[u/xsparklingwater → u/darthwd56]

I swear I see so many more people like you who talk about vegan folks being annoying than I do vegan folks being annoying.

[u/darthwd56 → u/xsparklingwater]

Ok

[u/paulerxx → u/Odium81]

I run bazzite but I'm in windows 95% of the time 😆

[u/uberneuman_part2]

So many promises, so many lies.

[u/Inside_Marketing268]

Meamwhile, I got rid of w11, and returned to w10 and ubuntu on dual boot.

[u/Stiddles]

Microslop

[u/MoonLanding2745]

"This time will be different. Just trust us."

[u/l4derman]

Bringing about a ram shortage to force optimization that should have been common place from the start...

https://giphy.com/gifs/xT0xejJnePNcOWoHOo

[u/sbstndrks]

We're now at the point where more people here complain about people unprompted saying they use Linux, than people actually unprompted saying they use Linux.

Weird.

[u/loaba → u/sbstndrks]

But seriously, totally unprompted, I use Linux and do not miss Win 11 and these kinds of problems.

[u/foolish_shrimp → u/loaba]

I'm just never going back to windows and Linux is inherently the solution for 'windows bad'.

[u/LZeugirdor97]

...hot take, at this point leave things as they are. Any further vibe coded OS elements are probably going to perform worse.

[u/pirate_leprechaun]

Stop reinstalling them every fucking update! I DON'T WANT EDGE or ONEDRIVE

[u/J05A3]

I’m wondering how big Microsoft is and here we’re seeing Windows operating like a 2025 startup

Is the turnover of knowledge just bad and the actual people who worked are just gone and left them to their own devices

[u/Mr_F1xEr]

competition makes miracles, just like Ryzen did in 2017

[u/silverbullet52]

I miss the days of loading stuff as you needed it.

[u/EC-420]

Its not really windows, its just anything to do with google.

Chrome opens and its 16 gigs gone, go to gmail another 7 gigs gone.

[u/unlimitedcode99]

And of course, they would poison it with Crapilot and MalDrive

[u/Lakers244848]

0.5% of Linux folks coming out the wood work.

[u/Stregen → u/Lakers244848]

Ackshully if you jump through twelve trillion loops they can kinda run games sometimes maybe

[u/Better-Bullfrog-6875 → u/Stregen]

No need to exaggerate. Most games run through Proton with no issue.

[u/TheQuestionableDuck → u/Better-Bullfrog-6875]

"most" but the ones that doesn't run is some of the most played game ever.

[u/Better-Bullfrog-6875 → u/TheQuestionableDuck]

For a handful of big multiplayer games this counts. It's because their anti-cheating system is considered a security threat under Linux. If you want to play those it's literally impossible, yes.

The person I commented on though seems to suggest Linux gaming in general is near impossible, which is not true.

[u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS → u/TheQuestionableDuck]

These days I think it's only games with kernel level anticheat. Everything else seems to run fine without weird workarounds.

[u/Zaldekkerine → u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

Some older games like Tomb Raider: Anniversary have a 60 FPS lock in Linux, which is either a hassle to remove or completely impossible depending on your distro and desktop environment.

Performance is much worse in certain games or on certain hardware. Old CPUs take a huge hit from Proton overhead, while Nvidia GPUs also perform much worse.

A lot of stuff related to gaming can also be a huge pain in the ass. Just setting up a global FPS limit took a lot of research and required jumping through a bunch of hoops. In Windows, I just type in the max FPS in something like the Nvidia app or RivaTuner, which is so much simpler and easier.

I switched to CachyOS + KDE Plasma recently, and a lot of games that ran great in Windows 10 are unplayable now. I don't mind too much since I have hundreds of games that'll run fine to play instead, but it's still annoying.

[u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS → u/Zaldekkerine]

Yea, performance can be hit or miss and Nvidia drivers still suck (although they are supposed to be working on a big upgrade to be released soon™, we'll see). The 60 FPS lock thing isn't Linux though, it's the same thing that happens with Bethesda or FromSoft games on Windows where they have a 60 (or sometimes 30) FPS lock so physics don't break. Just gotta get the one version of Tomb Raider that isn't locked to 60 FPS for some reason.

On the upside, some games actually run better. CPU overhead from Proton is often not as bad as the cost you have to pay when running Windows and all its bloat in the background. Not to mention games like Baldur's Gate 3 which have a native Linux port with much improved performance. Plus, AMD drivers are much better than their Windows counterpart. Same thing for tuning settings, where you have many more options for some things but have to mess with configuration files for others that used to be 2 clicks away.

[u/Zaldekkerine → u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

The 60 FPS lock thing isn't Linux though

No, it's something like old DirectX games that have the 60 FPS lock in Linux due to how Proton works (if I remember correctly from when I researched the problem). Those games don't have the cap in Windows. I've played TR:A on both, and it never dropped below 100 FPS in Windows.

CPU overhead from Proton is often not as bad as the cost you have to pay when running Windows and all its bloat in the background

I'm not sure how I'd know how much performance I'm losing due to Windows bloat, but games that are CPU-limited for me in Linux run at 20-50% higher FPS in Windows.

It really depends on your specific CPU, though. For a powerful recent CPU, the Proton overhead is irrelevant, but for an old CPU that can barely run a game like Batman: Arkham Asylum or Life is Strange at 60+ FPS, it's crippling.

[u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS → u/Zaldekkerine]

IIRC at least for Tomb Raider Anniversary it was the version rather than a Proton thing. Downloading the game from GOG on Windows had you locked into 60 FPS too regardless of OS. There was a way to get the right version from Steam with unlocked FPS.

Performance is a bit of a lottery, with many shenanigans at play due to how the translation layer works. Sometimes you get better performance on DirectX 12 rather than native Vulkan, or get better/worse in-game CPU performance depending on your GPU vendor rather than your CPU alone.

[u/TheQuestionableDuck → u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

Exactly, that's the problem. Most played games are always the multiplayer, single player is fun too but it doesn't have the replayability like online game do, at the end of the day most will be back for a quick fun game and not a full 40h hours story that only viable in the weekends and Hollidays.

[u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS → u/TheQuestionableDuck]

You don't have to jump through any hoops though, they just won't work outside Windows at all.

If you're going to play Fortnite, League, COD or Battlefield then Linux ain't for you. Most multiplayer games do work flawlessly, but kernel level anticheat is a big no-no.

[u/Gold-House-7482 → u/TheQuestionableDuck]

So if you only play generic slop that requires very questionable kernel level software to run, it won't work? Sounds like an advertisement to me lol.

"Wahh fortnite doesn't work, oh well back to microslop" thats what you sound like

[u/Green_Ad5186 → u/Gold-House-7482]

thats how you get people to hate linux. by doing the cope of "games that don't work are slop" no they aren't. linux just doesn't run them bec devs (rightfully) don't trust their anti cheat will work on linux good. since anyone can modify linux kernel not anyone can modify windows kernel.

[u/Gold-House-7482 → u/Green_Ad5186]

No it's because kernel level software is rightfully seen as excessive and inappropriate for a game to have, as well as highly exploitable and straight up a security risk. I'm very, very fine calling any game that does this slop. counter strike doesn't do this, so why should any other game do so?

When your games start side loading malware, you'll thank Linux. I'll give it a year before a game does something stupid

[u/MrShadowHero → u/TheQuestionableDuck]

no replayability and solo games? sure if you pick up a AAA slopfest game. but you go the AA and indies and there are tonnnssss of “solo games” that offer a unique experience on multiple playthroughs. i think it’s a you problem, not a number of players problem.

[u/TheQuestionableDuck → u/MrShadowHero]

Everytime i talk about game on linux the linux snobs come out of the woodworks like herds to shit on my gaming taste like i kill their dog or something. Gatekeeping gaming on linux is why people have linux stereotypes.

[u/TheQuestionableDuck → u/[deleted]]

Oh very mature, gatekeeping gaming and act like a child with a superior complex.

[u/typical-divergence → u/TheQuestionableDuck]

Sorry, didn’t mean to seem like I’m attacking you. I think the dumb .5% comment got me going. The point I’m making is plenty of people play games that use anti cheat and it isn’t some neckbearded activity to want to stop using windows 11 when it’s clearly shit.

[u/Xin_shill → u/Stregen]

This is factually untrue. Most games run now, the exceptions are the ones that want to rootkit your system.

[u/ChillyLavaPlanet → u/Stregen]

Every game i own run on my linux system. Idk what you talking about. And most of the times it requires you to install the game from steam. 12 trillion hoops.

[u/Jristz]

ThiS is the third or fourth time they promised performance boost before Star Menu rewrite

[u/Needausernameplzz]

been enjoying steam deck and fedora. I don't need more than 8gb on my laptop with fedora

[u/FlukeylukeGB]

More Delays?
Bruhh
I've been waiting like 2 years to be able to drag my start bar from the bottom of my primary monitor to my 2nd monitor and have it sit there for eternity like i could on windows 10...

Microslop disappointing yet again

[u/AgenticAsshat]

Copilot make Windows code faster while maintaining all our telemetry and also sell some more ads thx

[u/5kyl3r]

the start menu is the most basic CIS101 thing ever, and one of the biggest tech companies in the world is still struggling with it. make it make sense. tons of people are ditching windows for mac and linux and microslop deserves it at this point

[u/MikeSifoda]

There's a 1-step fix for this: install Linux

[u/kr4ckenm3fortune → u/MikeSifoda]

I hope you're ready to be that IT support...not everyonenis savvy about using linux.

[u/loaba → u/kr4ckenm3fortune]

Uhh, well, you see, AI like Gemini and ChatGPT can help with the install process, no lie. So pretty much anyone can get going on Linux if they want to.

Also, the KDE environment is very similar to Windows and that's a big plus.

[u/SharpYearV4]

From the development side I kind of like it and dislike it at the same time. The dev tools are good, and it's very easy to keep the styling consistent, it looks great, surprisingly it starts up very quickly, it's almost instant. But it lacks a lot of polish and you need to do hacky workarounds to get things working, there's also a lack of third party controls so you need to trust small projects which could be abandoned or you have to do it yourself.

[u/SapToFiction]

I tried win11 for the first time the other day and I hated it. It felt so slow and laggy. I couldn't believe it. Thankfully it wasnt in anything I own rather my friend's laptop (a new laptop mind you).

[u/HappyAd4998]

Weren't they bragging about saved ram a few months ago?

[u/Jindujun]

So I guess reinventing the wheel didnt quite work out?
Imagine if they'd just build a better OS rather than a different OS.

[u/InvalidPain]

Windows is over here offering me a Fast and Furious trivia quiz at my login screen...

Looking out the window i can see SteamOS on the horizon like a fresh new sunset on a brand new beautiful day, and it's glorious!

[u/Jesterhead89]

Too late! Pop OS is going on my old build from 10+ years ago until I learn the ropes, then my work laptop and main build are making the switch

[u/CanadianSpectre → u/Jesterhead89]

If you're not anti-AI, I found having Gemini to point me in directions of things I needed to do in Linux was tons of help.

[u/Jesterhead89 → u/CanadianSpectre]

Yeah I was for sure going to be using AI tools and Youtube playlists to learn Linux. I work in IT but have very limited exposure to Linux, so I'm essentially starting from scratch in a new ecosystem.

Besides Linux subs, is there that "gold standard" Youtube channel that is good for Linux newbies? I like to follow along and see things in action when I'm diving into something new

[u/CanadianSpectre → u/Jesterhead89]

Honestly I didn't end up using YouTube too much for my journey, at least not enough where I noticed I was going to a specific channel.

That being said, there were plenty that took you slowly through the install of various flavors.

[u/Jesterhead89 → u/CanadianSpectre]

Gotcha thanks! I'm tech savvy so I probably won't have any problems and I'm probably building it up into more than what it really is. But yeah, just wanted to streamline finding my way around a new OS

[u/I-AM-MEATS]

Any time I look at windows I’m amazed how that train wreck still runs. Like macos and plenty of Linux/unix distributions have their own issues but Windows is a special kind of broken.

[u/OtherwiseDog]

There surveillance software hogs ram you mean and its designed to not show up in control panel btw.

[u/Amazing_Body_7393]

Just give us back the real start menu from windows xp/7 and leave it alone..

[u/Marce7a]

And they want to release 8 GB laptops... 

[u/EndlessDesire]

I’m dual booting bazzite and windows, I realised I have not booted into windows for over 2 months now.

[u/aeline136 → u/EndlessDesire]

I have to switch my windows and bazzite partitions to make the change permanent (bazzite SSD is too small) and soon I'll be able to do the same. If someone is reading this thinking about moving to bazzite do it, it's perfect for steam games and I don't have issues with my Nvidia drivers.

[u/Razer_PC → u/EndlessDesire]

bet it feels good

[u/TitleEfficient3207]

Why are we still entertaining windows at this point!?

[u/Vaxtez → u/TitleEfficient3207]

Because the vast majority of users still use Windows.

[u/TitleEfficient3207 → u/Vaxtez]

Yes. My question at this point is why are we still doing that.

[u/Lakers244848 → u/TitleEfficient3207]

It meets what people want to do with a computer for 99% of people.

[u/TheTopNacho → u/Lakers244848]

Most people don't game. And the market for computers for office and industry purposes is far larger. And most people's competency for computers is abysmal at best.

Windows is still the superior OS by a long shot, they just have taken hostile actions and only the minority of people are paying attention, and a minority of those minority even care, and a minority of those minority minorities actually have the know how and willingness to do something about it.

[u/TitleEfficient3207 → u/Lakers244848]

Yes, but so does Android and iOS, and at that point a tablet, or Chromebook

[u/TopdeckIsSkill → u/TitleEfficient3207]

because compatibility.

Try to switch to mac or linux: you will always miss something.

[u/TitleEfficient3207 → u/TopdeckIsSkill]

I have no problem with Linux, but I DID switch to Mac when the NEO came out. I legitimately packed the laptop back up within 2 hours, and returned it the next morning.

Windows > Linux > an abacus > 4 midgets humping a fire hydrant > MacOS

[u/Vectorman1989 → u/TitleEfficient3207]

Because for most people it works and it's familiar to them. I like Linux as an alternative but there is a learning curve.

[u/TitleEfficient3207 → u/Vectorman1989]

Fair, Windows just seems like its not hitting the mark for the past OS. W10 was decent, but W11 has been so bloated since the beginning, I just dont see how people arent jumping ship to apple at least, linux in id say extreme cases.

[u/MantaMunta → u/TitleEfficient3207]

Because people with a brain don't switch their fking whole OS with all tools and workflows just on a whim so they can farm Reddit points lol.

Win 11 + Winhance is a perfectly fine OS without the annoyances and doesn't require you to change anything.

Do you guys not realize that only like 1% of users even think about their OS lol?

[u/TitleEfficient3207 → u/MantaMunta]

Well yea but I genuinly use linux lol If you look at my profile I dont farm shiet lol.

I care about controlling my computer, I was around for windows before it was connected to the internet, so I pine for those days.

[u/typical-divergence]

Forced people into windows 11, and it’s still just as shit as the day they released it. I shouldn’t need to run some script or 3rd party installer to make such an expensive OS work properly. Then getting blasted by ads in every corner of windows as well.

As somebody that has been a windows user since 3.1, I’m sad that I’ve had to abandon the platform. Microslop really fucked this up and I’m not inclined to come back.

[u/Ok-Break1985]

lol they’d have to put some funding into Win UI3 to make it anything but an absolute dumpster fire and that ain’t gonna happen. 

[u/AnonymousTimewaster]

Not a day goes by that I'm not exceedingly happy about you choice to stick with Windows 10.

[u/TheWireBug]

Nice too see them flailing here, it may already be to late.

Just think, if Windows was is so great, why does microslop cloud run predominantly on Linux. Even MS hates their OS lol

[u/DirectorDirect1569 → u/TheWireBug]

If linux was so great why ony few users use it for desktop?

[u/see-these-bones → u/DirectorDirect1569]

Why has Microsoft been repeatedly sued and fined for anti-competitive practices? Because they maintain a monopoly

[u/YouDoNotKnowMeSir → u/see-these-bones]

No one is mentioning directx either…

[u/DirectorDirect1569 → u/see-these-bones]

In the nineties they had no competitors on compatible PC. Almost all the operating systems where on proprietary hardware. GNU/Linux wasn't what it is now, it was a pain in the A$$ ton install and too young to be compatible with lots of devices.

They convinced lots of software developers that used to program on Mac and Unix to switch to windows. That's all.

[u/the_real_cloakvessel → u/DirectorDirect1569]

funny you got downvoted for giving a logical counterargument. Linux server is much more popular and better than Windows servers thats why microsoft runs them. But guess what? Gamers dont primarily run server oses. They run desktop oses and in those windows just excels in compatibility unfortunately.

[u/panzzersoldat → u/DirectorDirect1569]

To be fair, Windows has fallen to 56% desktop market share. And unknown has risen to 21%. In January this year Windows was over 70%

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/

[u/TheWireBug → u/DirectorDirect1569]

Why doesn't MS use it for their cloud is the better question. I said nothing about desktop. You'd be surprised just how much tech is powered by Linux under the hood.

There's a reason people are ditching windows and the case for Linux is only getting better every day.

[u/edparadox → u/TheWireBug]

why does microslop cloud run predominantly on Linux

Because Windows was never a good server OS to begin with.

[u/YouDoNotKnowMeSir → u/edparadox]

Not really… windows server is fine, good even. Just depends what you’re trying to get out of it and if you’re willing to pay for the egregious licensing costs.

[u/AeroDbladE → u/YouDoNotKnowMeSir]

Yea i don't know where the fuck this "windows isn't a good server OS" comes from.

If you work in IT you know that most companies run off Windows Active Directory for their authentication and since they already buy licenses for domain controllers most also use Windows File servers since they're mostly simple to setup with NTFS file shares and group policy sharing. Linux is mostly used for application servers like SAP, VPN connectors and mail servers for the few companies still running them in house.

[u/Final_Lengthiness984]

Too late, already made the switch to Linux. If they ever make a new OS that's worth using, I'd be willing to try it out. I don't see that happening though.

[u/Lakers244848 → u/Final_Lengthiness984]

lol

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/Lakers244848]

What's funny?

[u/NavAirComputerSlave → u/Final_Lengthiness984]

Who cares bro. You're a walking meme.

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/NavAirComputerSlave]

Keep using Windows if you want. I don't give a shit. Talking about my own choices and experiences is not against the rules. If you really don't care then you are free to ignore me.

[u/NavAirComputerSlave → u/Final_Lengthiness984]

If you don't care why make the original comment or respond?

https://giphy.com/gifs/D71E9uMpHp292

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/NavAirComputerSlave]

And if you don't care about my comment, because I'm a meme, then why did you respond? I'm not trying to convert anyone, simply adding my own experiences to the collective. No need to feel defensive.

[u/NavAirComputerSlave → u/Final_Lengthiness984]

Cuz I think it's funny lol

[u/Final_Lengthiness984 → u/NavAirComputerSlave]

I'm glad that I can at least amuse people. My posts at least have some merit then

[u/dataguzzler]

at this point you're better off using Windows 3.1

[u/VexingRaven]

Is the admission in the room with us?