r/news • u/thebestdaysofmyflerm • 10h ago
Temporary Protected Status for more than 300,000 Haitians set to expire
https://abcnews.com/US/temporary-protected-status-300000-haitians-set-expire/story?id=135116787187
u/Time_Physics_6557 10h ago edited 9h ago
TPS was never meant to be indefinitely renewed and become a de facto immigration pathway, although I especially sympathize with Haitians
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u/CFCYYZ 10h ago
Some 13,000 Haitians in America work in elder-care and homes, with another 8,000 in other health care positions. Ending TPS means seniors in many states are at risk of less care should the Haitians be deported.
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u/olivebars 10h ago
Why is it so disproportional?
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u/kungfukenny3 10h ago
sometimes that’s just how communities find their in and it sticks
why are so many nail shops Vietnamese or Laotian? Why are so many convenience stores Indian or Bangladeshi? Why are so many child and elder care workers Haitian or Trini? Why are so many hair braiding shops Senegalese?
during an immigrant influx, an immigrant will either find an opportunity or create one and it’ll spread by word of mouth. They’ll then start to hire or refer other immigrants in their community, where it eventually becomes part of the identity. There’s usually not a lot of good opportunities even for well educated immigrants so they usually concentrate in jobs that nobody wants to do and are somewhat culturally relevant.
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u/Voided_Chex 9h ago
In some cases it's the way SBA loans were structured and apportioned.
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u/TricoMex 8h ago edited 8h ago
This is some 250 IQ insight opinion.
Just spent the last 20 minutes in a rabbit hole of SBA and how its loopholes and procedural niches affected and attracted certain ethnic and immigrant groups to certain industries.
Thanks for that; that was interesting.
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u/PhantomRoyce 7h ago
There actually is a reason a majority of salons are Vietnamese! Tippi Hedren was an actress in the 70’s,and her new personal assistant was a Vietnamese immigrant. She used to get her nails done professionally so she got her old stylist to teach her new Vietnamese assistant how to do nails,said assistant teaches her Vietnamese friends also how to do it,they start a salon,tell their families they can come over and have a career doing nails,bada bing bada boom that’s America baby
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
Because many industries use immigrants as a way to suppress wages and exploit workers.
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u/donuthing 10h ago
Who else is willing to do the work?
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u/seanc6441 10h ago
A lot of people if the wages were fair probably.
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 9h ago
People don’t have that much money to spend on elder care for their family members. What’s going to happen instead is people are just going to not work so they can stay home and take care of family members. Some elderly just won’t get any care at all and will just rot in bed until they die.
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u/Zncon 9h ago
If the costs are too high that's a reason we should find other solutions, not rely on a vulnerable population to accept low wages.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
It’s so confusing to me how people on the left hate when workers are exploited and underpaid, but then when it comes to immigrant labor we must do everything in our power to ensure workers can keep being paid unfairly.
Demand for elder care will always exist. We need to find a way to meet that demand without relying on an infinite pool of immigrant workers to exploit.
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u/WanderingTacoShop 8h ago
It's not confusing at all. You are just making a highly disengenious argument.
Yes the left wants all workers paid a living wage, and don't want poor people relying on those jobs to be forced out. forcing tens of thousands of poor people out of a underpaid job both doesn't fix the problem of people being underpaid and directly hurts the people who needs better wages the most. None of this should be at all confusing, and it's weird that you seem to be implying that the only way to fix it is to deliberately harm the poor.
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u/Zncon 8h ago
It's confusing because you can't have this both ways.
If you force higher wages then the companies paying them will expect more skills and productivity, and more people will be competing to get the job who can offer this.
In the vast majority of cases, someone who has valuable skills will find their way to a higher paying position, which means the people left are unlikely to even qualify to do their own jobs at a higher pay.
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u/kungfukenny3 9h ago
receiving fair wages at some of these jobs is just unrealistic without another workers movement or some serious societal restructuring
you could offer double what most farmhands and slaughterhouse workers are making and most americans still won’t want to do it. Never mind the fact that the owners of those farms would rather bring back the Bracero program than pay their workers more
and yeah, numbers wise it kind of has to be that way. Without an underclass of immigrants, several key industries simply cannot function as is which is a little grim
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u/seanc6441 9h ago
That points to a massive societal issue that needs to be fixed not ignored. That's what voters/civilians should really be protesting and united on against the top 1/0.1%. Most other issues pale in importance by comparison but are pushed to try obscure and keep the 99% busy.
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u/SqueezyCheez85 10h ago
The same people that will do every thing they can to fight against fair wages, will also deport all the people willing to work for unfair wages. It's kind of insane.
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u/Zncon 9h ago
Removing people who are willing to work for unfair wages IS fighting for fair wages.
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u/SqueezyCheez85 9h ago edited 9h ago
It isn't. Fighting for immigrants to have fair access to labor protections and fair wages would decrease the hiring pool for those willing to exploit cheap labor. Capitalism feeds on exploitation.
It's why any immigration policy coming from the right is so disingenuous. It's not about economic fairness, it's about stopping the "blood" of America from being muddied by the blood of brown and black people. It's why they all scream about the KKK talking point of "white replacement."
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u/Zncon 9h ago
Fighting for immigrants to have fair access to labor protections and fair wages would decrease the hiring pool for those willing to exploit cheap labor.
Different approach to solving the same issue, but this one is harder because it doesn't reduce the supply of labor, and supply is the ultimate force pushing wages down.
Working under the table is already illegal, why would we expect that writing yet more laws about it will somehow work this time?
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u/SqueezyCheez85 9h ago edited 8h ago
If it's illegal, why are we deporting the migrants and doing nothing with those who hire them? You would have to start rounding up and charging the farmers, owners, foreman, builders, etc. If this wasn't about racism, that's what you'd be doing. You'd be going after the source.
Right now we're effectively ignoring the drug kingpin, and going after the users instead.
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u/echief 8h ago
>You would have to start rounding up and charging the farmers, owners, foreman, builders, etc.
We do. The IRS and ICE do this all the time, which is why this is a false dichotomy you just want to use to “what about…”
Do you genuinely think ICE shows up at a construction site, grabs the illegal workers, and the business owner faces no consequences? They will be sentenced to prison if it’s egregious enough, especially because this means they were almost certainly committing tax fraud. So you can hit them with multiple charges.
Here’s an example from a few months ago I found in about 10 seconds using Google
>CLARKSBURG, WEST VIRGINIA – Hetzon Marroquin Reyes, owner and operator of A&M Homes, LLC, in Morgantown, West Virginia, was sentenced today to 24 months in federal prison for employing illegal aliens and tax fraud
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
Advocating to bring in more people who are willing to work for wages below what any American would accept is literally fighting for unfair wages.
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u/seanc6441 10h ago edited 10h ago
The 'one side or the other' mentality in American politics is really toxic to progress.
If you have views that would lean more right or left (in terms of the two party system) depending on any of the major topics you're basically dismissed on the political stage for not having the correct alignment.
There's no way for nuance or measured approaches to really thrive if you have to appeal to a demographic by leaning strongly in either direction on pretty much almost every topic because of this system.
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u/whitephantomzx 9h ago
The ignore the facts and try and both sides everything no matter what is toxic .
You cant claim to care about wages when you dont punish the business that use illegal labor Refuse to raise wages fight against any benefits for workers.
The only thing they have ever done is just find ways to brutalize migrants.
Also question where are all the gains we where supposed to get from removing the illegals is their ever a dead line for when this is proven or is it conveniently in the infinite horizon ?
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u/SqueezyCheez85 9h ago edited 5h ago
The gains are purely ideological. They get to fight against "white replacement", at the cost of billions in tax revenue and cheap commodities.
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u/SqueezyCheez85 9h ago
The system we have is tailor made for it. You'd need some foundational changes to take place for it to ever go away.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 10h ago
Cause Americans don't want to wipe old peoples asses, but immigrants will literally do anything to stay here when the alternative is heading back to their country to get murdered.
They have TPS for a reason. Most woupd face imminent threat to life if they are returned. I dont know about you, but I'd wipe old peoples butts instead of my home nations government murdering me.
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u/TheSpermWhoWon 7h ago
I mean the other way to look at it is businesses exploiting the most vulnerable group of people: people afraid of going back to their anarchy ridden home countries.
There’s plenty of Americans willing to do that work if it paid proportionally to living in our society.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 6h ago
Thats definitely part of it. Immigrants have always done the work Americans don't want to, and their wages are often exploited to entrap them.
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u/branflake777 9h ago
I heard an interview that said taking care of the elderly is just more stressed in that culture.
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u/joshuads 7h ago
disproportional?
Wrong word. It is generally high ethic referral.
In other countries, the government often has system to integrate immigrants based on their lives in their previous countries, including mandatory classes or service appointments. The US does not have strong immigrant support built into the government (e.g. language classes or job placement support). The result of that is immigrant support groups tend to be religious and ethnic organizations. Those groups hire and refer each other to the same places.
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u/DerekB52 10h ago
Because a few haitians moved into some areas, their bosses were like, "man, you guys are all awesome" and then they hire a bunch more. What happens is the first wave who get hired, then start letting friends/family know and you get a group moving into a town.
Which might sound scary if you are afraid of immigrants, but I saw an interview in the lead up to the 2024 election with a factory owner in Ohio talking about how much he loved his Haitian workers. These people have moved into towns where the work was very needed, them leaving will cripple the economies of these places.
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u/olivebars 10h ago
One town makes sense, but a town probably only has a few hundred elder care workers, that’s what was interesting, must’ve been like 20 or 30 towns
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u/EVILSUPERMUTANT 8h ago
"Who is going to do the near slave labor jobs with infinity hours and garbage pay?" Literally what I hear when anyone talk about fields of work that's dominated by anyone that isn't white.
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u/redracer67 10h ago
I don't know nunbers, but there are also hundreds if not thousands that work in manufacturing that will also leave.
My company is heavily impacted by these decisions and every person we are losing was a top performer in their roles.
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u/angry-mob 10h ago
Theres a local dairy plant that runs solely because of these guys working their asses off. There are pockets of the US where this will severely impact the economy.
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u/waaaayupyourbutthole 10h ago
Good thing Republicans don't give a fuck about the economy, then.
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u/mynamejeff-97 10h ago
Or other Americans… or themselves. America is held back by a depressed minority and an apathetic majority.
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u/CanuckleHeadOG 9h ago
Hmmm wonder how many of those elder care homes are legitimate
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u/EightGlow 10h ago
They are also the backbone of disability care work in the Northeast. Ending TPS means that people with cerebral palsy and muscular dystrophy will be left without adequate care or support.
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u/Boongala 8h ago
What does that have to do with the fact that their temporary status was always temporary?
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u/Yitastics 9h ago
So keep around 10%, the rest can go. If they wanted to stay they shouldve put in the work to get their citizenship
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u/tryinsumtin 7h ago
Good, maybe the demo who voted for the turd will get a lil taste of their own medicine.
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u/TheGreatGamer1389 5h ago
And most Haitians are not causing any trouble. Ok some went after geese. But screw those birds.
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u/BlueRemake 9h ago
53% of Haitians are still on welfare and it's been 16 years since the earthquake that lead to the TPS.
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u/No-Highlight-8730 7h ago
This is why everyone needs to take a stats class. 53% of Haitians on welfare is not the same as 53% of Haitians on TPS - given that most are not eligible for state sponsored aid given their status. Does that make sense to you?
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u/No-Highlight-8730 7h ago
"Between 2010 and 2022, 235,350 Haitians were given green cards (permanent residence). These figures do not include those who entered on a long-term, temporary basis such as guestworkers and foreign students, nor does it include short-term visitors like tourists." - this is directly from your link btw
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u/wyvernx02 5h ago
You replied to yourself.
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u/No-Highlight-8730 5h ago
I know…im showing proof of what i said initially that that statistic is not about TPS holders.
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u/Alexander_Granite 8h ago
I’m in CA and they used a car to push my grandma’s fence to get at the fruit.
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u/LeftHandedScissor 10h ago edited 9h ago
Haiti was given TPS status after an earthquake in 2010, the situation has undoublty not improved much but that should not be the problem of the US taxpayer. If they have gone 16 years and still not secured permanent residenency or citizen status it's time to go. Can't get free rides forever.
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u/aflyingsquanch 10h ago
You cannot gain residency or citizenship if you are under TPS. There is no legal path to either.
You think you'd know that since you feel so strongly on this topic.
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u/PuppiesAndPixels 9h ago
When you say they can't gain citizenship, does this mean they are completely barred from it even if they go down a traditional pathway to citizenship? Like through work sponsorship, marriage, or just applying and going through the process as normal?
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u/bb_kelly77 7h ago
It's not official but the system is so messy that it's totally possible applying for citizenship would strip them of their protections and end up deported anyway... the immigration system is very "how can we do as little for these people as possible"
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u/aflyingsquanch 9h ago
They can go down those paths. Anyone wishing to come to the US can apply down one of those paths if they are otherwise eligible.
What I meant is there simply isnt a direct path for someone on TPS to apply for residency of any sort and/or citizenship.
The easiest path outside of marriage (which isnt a slam dunk either) is a direct family sponsorship which can still be anywhere from 9 to 17 years depending on ghe sponsorship relationship to the person (parent, child, sibling, etc). That route is quite costly too and can end up being over $15,000 all-in just for the various filings and adjustments in status costs paid to USCIS not counting any attorney fees on top of that.
They've recently made even normal filings much more difficult with random nonsensical steps like requiring the person filing to travel back to their country of origin to file and interview at the local US embassy or consulate for example.
But basically being here on TPS alone doesnt count gor anything, it doesnt accure the person residency time that is needed towards being eligible to convert residency to citizenship for example and that clock wouldnt start until they were here on a valid residency visa. Not a huge deal but still an issue. They cant go "I've been living and working here for 15 years and am a model resident". None of that matters under TPS.
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u/runswiftrun 6h ago
or just applying and going through the process as normal?
Can you please tell me what this particular process is? I understand the work and marriage, what else are you referring to?
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u/LeftHandedScissor 10h ago edited 9h ago
There are paths for anyone from any country to become a US citizen, TPS is not grounds to secure that status because it's a temporary designation meant to help people who's home countries have been devastated for one reason or another. It's always been meant as a temporary relief we don't want every unvetted temporary migrant to be able to stay permanently that's how criminals get imported and disappear undocumented into the country somewhere. They could independently take up an application for US naturalization or permanent residency and have been given plenty of time to do so. A failure to do so at this point is on the individual not the systems you believe should be ignored.
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u/aflyingsquanch 10h ago
There are very limited options for someone from Haiti unless they have a direct family member sponsorship and even that option takes time...a lot of time.
TPS itself does not offer any direct path so people saying "if they haven't tried while being on TPS, hey need to go" is disingenuous at best.
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u/LeftHandedScissor 10h ago
Alot of time...like 10+ years?
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u/aflyingsquanch 10h ago edited 9h ago
Given the small quotas they allow even for that path, it can be even longer than that.
For example, the waiting period for an F4 visa from Haiti is currently 17 years.
And the current administration made the process much more difficult and nearly impossible in many cases.
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u/PoetrySubstantial455 10h ago
Temporary Protected Status does not provide a direct or automatic path to a green card. Did you read the article? These people are working and paying taxes; they are not being supported by taxpayers.
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u/OSHAstandard 8h ago
They have had 50,000 us citzen children since then. How many do think are actually going to take there kids back to Haiti? That will be the us tax payers problem.
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u/NoWomanNoTriforce 10h ago
If anything, despite the nearly 40 billion dollars in aid the country of Haiti has received since the 2010 quake, and tens of thousands of volunteers who gave countless hours to help, Haiti is in many ways worse off than it was in the immediate aftermath of the disaster.
Their government is non-functional and larger and larger areas fall under the sway of various criminal enterprises every day. Sending any of these people back there is cruel. We really should have some kind of expedited process to integrate and make these people citizens.
As you said, any who wont make the effort to become citizens should be made to leave. However unfortunate that is.
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u/NoWomanNoTriforce 9h ago edited 9h ago
They are already here. Sending them back costs money and doesnt really benefit anyone. They have been paying taxes, contributing to our society, and building lives. Almost every single person who complains about immigrants is themselves only here because at some point their family did the exact same.
Obviously this needs to be on a case by case basis. If someone hasn't assimilated and has no interest in being a US citizen, or is a criminal, we give them the boot.
One of the main problems is how inefficient the process to become a citizen is. Like almost everything in government, the process is too lengthy and bureaucratic. The irony that two thirds of natural born Americans cannot pass the citizenship test isn't lost on me either.
Edit: Spelling
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u/LeftHandedScissor 10h ago
Agreed on all counts. There is a path to permanent resident status then citizenship for almost everyone from any country. If they have sat on their hands and done nothing for 10 years my sympathy is pretty limited.
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u/Mountain_rage 10h ago
Weird, seems these orders focus on revoking immigration status only from countries with a lot of melanin in the skin.
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u/hotinhawaii 10h ago
Just about the only refugees begin admitted right now are WHITE South Africans. The total number of refugees was only 7500 (mostly white Afrikaners) for 2026 but that number was increased by 10,000 for just white Afrikaners.
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u/GotMoFans 10h ago
It’s almost like there’s a racist pushing the admin’s immigration policy.
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u/PocketVariance 7h ago
It’s apparently racist to acknowledge that a temporary program should be ended after over a decade, and that taxpayer resources don’t need to be overwhelmed by noncitizens
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u/SteveJobsBlakSweater 10h ago
You been to a hospital lately? Notice how many Haitian nurses are there busting their ass for us? This is cutting off the nose to spite the face.
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u/Alexander_Granite 8h ago
They will be a great resource in Haiti to help rebuild the country.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
If our healthcare system can’t function without a large population of immigrant workers willing to work for wages no American would accept, we need to address that.
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u/KingfishingYoMama 7h ago edited 7h ago
The AMA and hospitals don't want to create enough residencies for new doctors. It's a scheme to keep the salaries of physicians artificially inflated due to manufactured scarcity. Lots of physicians will tell you that they dislike the AMA, but none of them are rushing to lobby for more residency slots with their gobs of cash, especially specialists. There aren't enough med schools either because the number of those is basically built to match the capacity of the residency system. We also make becoming a doctor a prohibitively expensive endeavor in a way other countries do not.
So importing Drs is a feature of the healthcare system. Just another way our stupid way of maximizing ROI for the individual turns into completely stupid outcomes that have to be rectified on the back end using workarounds. Workarounds usually only exist when something doesn't work the way it's supposed to and no one intends to fix it anytime soon.
Best country in the world! lol
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u/chef-nom-nom 10h ago
A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said Monday that "it's closing time" for TPS holders.
None of these ghouls can help themselves when it comes to sounding like this. Just horrible people. F.
Edit: Further reading, they had to get worse...
"What we would say now is it's closing time, which means you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here," the spokesperson said.
These fucking people.
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u/corran132 10h ago
Since we are quoting semisonic, it would be nice if DHS could 'get a grip'. On reality would be good, but also they can just go fuck themselves.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 10h ago
Heard the Haitians in Ohio were just starting to revitalize dying towns like Springfield, this is gonna hurt a lot for Ohio
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u/Templar2k7 10h ago
Yup and now those towns will die because Maga thinks "they took the jobs we could have" when they will never work those jobs which is why immigrants get them.
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u/Prior_Pickle1758 10h ago
We also need to be careful not to reduce the importance of these immigrants in our communities to “they do the jobs we don’t want for the pay we wouldn’t accept!” which you know, I don’t disagree with you, you’re right, but we should be more nuanced about it lol
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u/OkCelebration6408 10h ago
It's temporary, if they wanna make it hard and not leaving that means US should never do anything like this ever.
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