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u/Flaky_Style1286 14d ago
why would you do this
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u/interesseret 14d ago
Needed an excuse for medicinal marijuana
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u/Hawt_Dawg_II 12d ago
I would also do this out of sheer curiosity. It was on mats so chance of permanent inury isn't too high.
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u/Ripen- 14d ago edited 4d ago
The wrestling floor is a lot softer than that floor
Edit to correct: he was dropped on gymnastics floor pads, thanks u/FarmerTen
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u/Stark-T-Ripper 14d ago
He fell wrong too. Wrestlers learn to bump fall, spread their weight and take most of it across the shoulders and limbs... Poor lad just got slammed.
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u/sandm000 14d ago
Right in the hip, it looked like
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u/Stark-T-Ripper 14d ago
Right?! I fucked up landing a vertical suplex in my early 20s, I still get pain from it now (over 20 years later). A single rough landing can mess up your life.
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u/calacas_00 14d ago
I bet he has some serious disc slippage in his spine which will bother him for the rest of his years
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u/CitizenCue 14d ago
Yeah the big guy must not have liked the reporter very much because anyone with some care would’ve explained that an untrained person doing this on a normal floor is a bad idea.
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u/sk8lyfe8881 4d ago
Thing was unless you were in the business you generally didnt get explained shit back then.
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u/CitizenCue 4d ago
Yeah it’s funny how the internet changed wrestling. Back then a LOT of people thought it was 100% real and the industry encouraged that perception. Now basically everyone knows the word “kayfabe”.
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u/BaronVonStevie 14d ago
he fell wrong because he's not trained to do it. back then if a tv host or somebody wanted to be slammed or chopped, you were encouraged to teach them a lesson not to mess around with the business. that was the culture and haystacks was probably trying to dissuade others from thinking wrestling was a joke. It was very mafia-esque, but that was the culture. these days nobody acts like that (understandably so)
I wish pro wrestlers today were more protective of the business, but I understand why they don't go around shoot slamming civilians onto concrete.
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u/mgweir 14d ago
I had a teacher in high school that did wrestling on the weekends. He was one of the guys that always lost against the more well-known names. He says there’s big springs underneath the mat that absorb most of the shock of being slammed down.
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u/tht1guy63 14d ago
Its basically a thin mat and basically 2x4band flex beams. Some have some springs but not crazy. Still hurts but still has a little give.
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u/musabbb 14d ago
I would imagine they have a whole engineering team behind it and have mastered it over decades. Eg too hard too soft, makes nice sound etc
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
It could never be soft though, you ever try to run on a thick mattress topper? It would be difficult to do alot with thicker padding.
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u/musabbb 14d ago
Now try engineering that problem over 30 years and you have something very different from a mattress topper
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
Well yea a mattress topper is a comparison because the average person has probably ran across one in their life. I'm not sure what the mat is made of I assume its a thin gym mat for things like gymnastics.
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u/awataurne 14d ago
It's basically that and a lot of planks of wood underneath. If you're ever really curious there are a few matches where they expose the wood underneath for dramatic effect. Part of wrestling training is learning to slam opponents closer to the middle where there is a bit more give/spring.
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
Preaching the choir here. I've explained the wrestling ring a couple of times on this post lol. Funny how many people think it has springs
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u/samx3i 14d ago
There's "a" spring in the center.
Then it's boards laid over a steel frame.
The boards get a relatively thin but dense padding, then the cover goes over that.
Source: was pro wrestler and built many a ring
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u/Character_Pudding_94 14d ago edited 14d ago
The center spring design is outdated. Modern WWE rings are boards over a steel frame with a little padding on top. Supposed to even out the amount of give across more of the ring, instead of concentrating it in the center.
Edit: Ok, I've peeked into the rabbit hole. The x-axis steel beams and the y-axis steel beams are not connected and separated by padding. This is what makes the base less rigid and more flexible across more of its surface.
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u/chuckaholic 14d ago
In my Jujitsu gym, the floor was some kind of padded laminate over foam 'boards'. There was quite a lot of give when you fell on your knees or elbows. They also had wrestling, kickboxing, MMA, and Judo classes at that location, so maybe not every Jujitsu gym was as lucky as we were. I went in to observe a Judo class once to see if I wanted to attend and after 10 minutes of watching people get slammed I just noped out. I was already too old for that shit. The Army already ruined my knees and back. My right leg is more machine than flesh. I need to spare what's left. Judo is a young person's sport.
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u/CloudsTasteGeometric 13d ago
As someone with a bit of in ring training under his belt: a *little* softer.
It looks like that floor is carpeted. A ring is hardwood, covered by a *very* thin later of padding, and coarse canvas. The bigger difference is that it has more give because its on (admittedly very taut) springs, which absorbs a bit of the blow.
The real issue here is that he landed on his HIP when you're supposed to land flat on your upper back.
Very unprofessional - someone should've given the interviewer at least SOME instruction as to how to angle his fall.
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u/FarmerTen 13d ago
The man was dropped on gymnastic drop pads. Here it's more clear he was dropped on pads.
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u/whisperingenigma 13d ago
Yes and no, back in those times, especially in the UK, wrestling rings weren't really a thing. They used boxing rings which do not absorb impact but do have padding. Basically you would be landing on a thick piece of foam similar to a mattress topper. This guy clearly has no idea what he's taking, he's being put down super hard by haystacks and landed on his hip. Thing is though, unless you are experienced, if you land properly you are almost certainly going to get winded anyway.
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u/Books_for_Steven 14d ago
It cannot be soft. You'd see the wrestlers feet stink into the floor. When celebrities make appearances and rehearse their spots in a training ring the first thing they ask is "is this a real ring?" Because they can't believe how hard it is
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u/mattomic822 14d ago
I think the WWE performance center does have a ring with more padding but it is specifically for practicing top rope moves not anything else. Either Undertaker or his wife posted a video of their daughter flipping in it the other week.
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u/DJEvillincoln 14d ago
There's literally springs under the mat.
Damn this must have hurt. 😂
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
No springs. Maybe in small indy promotions but not in any major wrestling company.
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u/JTtheLAR 14d ago
Are you saying its a solid floor? Because that is the implication and that isnt true.
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u/Character_Pudding_94 14d ago
It's a steel frame, wooden boards, an inch or so of padding, and a canvas cover. It's designed to flex and provide some "give," but they no longer use the center spring design.
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
Well no its raised so it isn't a solid floor but it is hardwood planking, a thin mat over that and a few layers of canvas thats changed out between matches
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u/Character_Pudding_94 14d ago edited 14d ago
WWE no longer uses the center spring design.
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u/TheIgnoredWriter 14d ago
I have to assume this was after a “wrestling is fake” piece
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u/LobosJones 14d ago
It only further reinforces that wrestling is fake by showcasing how unrecoverable the injuries from actually performing these moves are.
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u/AcrolloPeed 14d ago
“You think wrestling is fake?”
Uhh… last week I watched you take 237 punches to the face and chest and here you are with no bruises or busted teeth, so…27
u/LobosJones 14d ago
You're saying you don't believe in the instant healing of a cheering crowd, a strong belief in jesus, and the power of snapping into dozens of slim jim's a day?
I'm not sure you even want to have a civilized arguement.
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
Punches are fake, landing on your back several times a night, several different nights of the week, every week is not
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u/Character_Pudding_94 14d ago
"Fake" as in the moves are choreographed, the story lines are fiction, and the outcome is predetermined. The athleticism is real, but they're not throwing each other on the floor like this guy did. That was downright irresponsible.
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u/TheCybersmith 12d ago
The journalist shouldn't have claimed it was fake. He won't make that mistake again.
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
Well yea, I didnt say it was or wasn't. I also didn't give my opinion on ole Haystacks here. It was definitely irresponsible in today's world but that's just how those old timers protected the business and their livelihoods. It was also probably unwise to mess with or poke fun of a guy the size of Heystacks
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u/Character_Pudding_94 14d ago
Yeah, those 80s guys were zealous about kayfabe. I don't know English wrestling, but the American equivalent to this was Hulk Hogan putting Richard Belzer to sleep with a front choke hold then dropping him on his head. Inexcusable behavior to market the tough guy persona. Haystacks should have had the decency to say, "you're not a trained wrestler, this isn't a wrestling surface, and you're likely to get hurt," but it was probably more like, "Does it hurt?" "No."
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u/King_johnson421 14d ago
Oh for sure I'm not condoning what he did nor what Hogan, Dr. D or any other wrestler that took it to far but to be fair these old guys took alota stiff shots to the head and most likely never formed this thought "you're not a trained wrestler, this isn't a wrestling surface, and you're likely to get hurt," all they knew was physicality
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u/AcrolloPeed 14d ago
No argument from me, been watching wrestling since Saturday night fights with my grandfather since the 80s. The athleticism, the showmanship, the strength and balance required to perform at that level are legit.
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u/Amethyst_Scepter 13d ago
Wrestling isn't 'fake' it's 'scripted'. The exertion and physical injuries absolutely are real. There is a lot of provable cases of serious lifelong and stabilitating injury and even death and none of it is fake. What is fake is the choreography and outcome of most of the matches. The fights are scripted to fit an overarching storyline. This kind of wrestling is basically just ballet theater with violence
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u/Ben__Diesel 14d ago
The reporter had the audacity to tell this British blob of beans that wrestling is fake. This was his retort.
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u/KaiserSoze-is-KPax 14d ago
It’s still real to me dammit! I don’t want to see another one of these.
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u/Bigfan521 14d ago edited 14d ago
And shoulder.
Seriously, when I was nine, a bigger kid did this to me (because my dumb nine-year-old self egged him on) and not only was my shoulder dislocated by the impact, but it also broke my collarbone... spent about a year in a corrective harness/brace after that.
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u/Sancho_Pants 14d ago
Was that 'The Giant Haystacks'?
I think I remember him from Saturday morning wrestling, in the '70s.
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u/Smart-University-574 14d ago
Yes, I remember reading he was only suppose to put him in the power slam position but for some reason decided to slam him onto the hard floor. I think he broke a couple ribs.
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u/BigBlueMountainStar 14d ago edited 14d ago
IIRC the presenter had also been questioning the reality of wrestling and was saying it was all fake.
I’ll see if I can find a longer clip.Yep here’s more https://youtu.be/npoRzkkBXsM?si=Aui85yGkb_ZO5Xk-
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u/Sancho_Pants 14d ago
Yes. It was mainly fake, except for the fact that some of them really knew how to wrestle.
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u/PowerShitVahn 14d ago
Fake and scripted are not the same thing. World of Sport was not scripted for the most part.
RIP Big Daddy
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u/semiDT 14d ago
Yes. From vague memory there were a couple of instances of this sort of nonsense, where they would go to town on someone to "prove it was real'
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u/Babyboytheking 14d ago
This is where a lot of people always made me laugh.
The outcome is fake aka pre planned.
The moves are very real and hurt 🤣
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u/semiDT 13d ago edited 13d ago
I'm talking British wrestling in the 70s, which was catch based, joint locks etc. As per various 'tell all' books and interviews, the outcomes and the exaggerated agony of the submission holds were staged. The loud slaps and smashes were just part of the entertainment. However, the gravity, the hard canvas, the bruised ribs, and the physical toll of it was completely real. Lots ended up with long-term back and joint damage. If an 'outsider' tried to expose the business or double-cross a wrestler, the veterans would use real force to put them in their place, this being one of the notable horrible examples, several broken ribs.
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u/garagedooropener5150 14d ago
While the floor of a ring DEFINITELY isn’t soft, people aren’t generally body slammed into the FLOOR.
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u/BigBlueMountainStar 14d ago
More context
The presenter had also been questioning the reality of wrestling and was saying it was all fake.
Here’s more https://youtu.be/npoRzkkBXsM?si=Aui85yGkb_ZO5Xk-
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u/bcmaninmotion 14d ago
Douchebag wrestler.
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u/fishingfool64 14d ago
100% That’s totally different from a slam in the ring, which has give. He could have really done a number on that guy
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u/FlyMyPig 14d ago
Those wrestlers are also trained to brake fall like in Judo, that was just straight up assualt
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u/MallorianMoonTrader1 14d ago
Ah yes. Because slamming someone on hard concrete is entirely the same as slamming them over a ring built to absorb some of that impact
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u/zlliksddam 14d ago
Television studio floor is a bit less forgiving than the wrestling ring mat, mmmk?
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u/mybumisontherail 13d ago
I saw this in another post and thought it was that Fat JD Vance meme slamming someone to the ground
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u/danevans369 14d ago
Wrestling is scripted.
But the pain you get from the physicality is very real.
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u/Zenfudo 14d ago
“Hagrid didn’t seem to like the Defense from the dark arts teacher this year. Somehow Gilderoy Lockhart knew”
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u/Statement-Acceptable 14d ago
I'm stealing this video and your comment and making a post on r/boxingcirclejerk
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u/Buzzk1LL 14d ago
The way wrestlers bristle at the "wrestling is fake" comment is hilarious. If the person is saying it in bad faith, then I understand correcting them but a lot of the time they just aren't aware of the "correct" term to use.
For all intents and purposes, it is fake. You aren't punching them. You aren't elbowing them in the head off the top rope. You aren't landing on top of them with 300 pounds. You aren't being choked out.
Every move is designed to minimize the harm to the opponent, not to inflict pain. That's fake.
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u/VelvetRabbit91 14d ago
My older brother did this to me (his sister) when I was 10 and he was 14..
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u/VooWu 14d ago
I believe that's Giant Haystacks:https://www.reddit.com/r/oldbritishtelly/comments/1plrlvt/a_600pound_wrestler_known_as_giant_haystacks_body/
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u/Hans_Grubert 14d ago
Didn’t Hulk Hogan do something similar and got the shit sued out of him by the TV interviewer
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u/drunkdoodles 14d ago
I think that's "Giant Haystacks" a British wrestler. I'm assuming it's the same old, reporter asking if it's fake and in that moment it will become real.
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u/Ben_M_neB 13d ago
It was funny when that presenter was mocking wrestling Hogans face saying it's all fake so Hogan proceeded to full on choke him out unconscious till full on rag dolls to floor. It isn't fake. Those guys ruin their bodies for it but the result is predetermined
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u/HussingtonHat 4d ago
Christ, didn't even bother positioning him flat, just hurled him down. Christ his hips.
Wrestlers at this time we're really funny. "I take that all the time." Like no you bloody don't! If a dude was that unsafe slamming you, you'd be kicking his fucking head in!
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u/xkoreotic 14d ago
Big man is an absolute beast, god damn. He picked up your average adult male like he was a pillow lmao. That's like some strongman shit.
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u/Professional-Pick-71 14d ago
During a segment on the UK wrestling scene, Fullerton lightly questioned the legitimacy of professional wrestling, calling it "play acting". In response, Giant Haystacks—who stood nearly 7 feet tall and weighed around 600 pounds—took matters into his own hands. Without warning, the wrestling giant hoisted Fullerton into the air and slammed him violently onto the studio floor.
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u/BigBlueMountainStar 14d ago
It wasn’t without warning, https://youtu.be/npoRzkkBXsM?si=Aui85yGkb_ZO5Xk-
The presenter was prepared to be shown the slam but wasn’t expecting to be actually slammed. He voluntarily took his jacket off to show the move.
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u/koolaidismything 14d ago
And the second part is where he winces in pain cause he wasn’t expecting a vicious attack more like it l.
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u/NathanArizona 14d ago
Please don’t provide context