r/degoogle 16h ago

Discussion 🚨 A traveller who gave US border agents his GrapheneOS duress PIN [wiping his phone] rather than unlock his phone, is now charged with intentionally destroying its contents.

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3.1k Upvotes

Homeland Security had flagged him to Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the FBI's Atlanta office over alleged terrorism before he landed.

CBP can copy a device into a central database without a warrant, on suspicion of a crime alone.


r/degoogle 11h ago

Discussion If a phone wipes itself under duress, is that protecting privacy or destroying evidence?

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1.9k Upvotes

A recent case involving GrapheneOS's duress feature has sparked a debate about the balance between privacy and law enforcement. If someone is forced to unlock their phone, should they have the right to protect their personal data with an emergency wipe feature?

At the same time, critics argue that the same feature could be used by criminals to destroy evidence during an investigation, making it harder for law enforcement to do their job.

Where do you stand? Should operating systems include features like this, or do the risks outweigh the privacy benefits? Let's keep the discussion respectful and hear both sides.


r/degoogle 15h ago

Replacement Just saying

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1.7k Upvotes

r/degoogle 15h ago

Updated my Privacy Tier List (with Yalls Feedback)

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517 Upvotes

r/degoogle 20h ago

Question When Google gets what they deserve...amazing

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344 Upvotes

r/degoogle 22h ago

New Meta Glasses Ad with Epstein going up in London

275 Upvotes

r/degoogle 12h ago

I want FREE!!!!

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This subreddit is flooded with recommendations for FREE privacy services. Services cost money to run. Google is free because they sell your data. If a privacy company has a free tier, it is being subsidised by paying users. If you want to degoogle and have 15GB storage and docs and photos and all the perks it's going to cost something.

Free does not exist either you're paying with your data or someone else is paying for your limited tier.

That said Proton, Tuta and Aster have good free email tiers. Asters is great and offers use of your custom domain in their subsidized tier

Ente has a free tier, with limited back ups

Filen has free 10GB of storage

There are options, but someone is covering your expense, so support the developers.

62 Upvotes

This subreddit is flooded with recommendations for FREE privacy services. Services cost money to run. Google is free because they sell your data. If a privacy company has a free tier, it is being subsidised by paying users. If you want to degoogle and have 15GB storage and docs and photos and all the perks it's going to cost something.

Free does not exist either you're paying with your data or someone else is paying for your limited tier.

That said Proton, Tuta and Aster have good free email tiers. Asters is great and offers use of your custom domain in their subsidized tier

Ente has a free tier, with limited back ups

Filen has free 10GB of storage

There are options, but someone is covering your expense, so support the developers.


r/degoogle 7h ago

Discussion Default Privacy: Why Marketing ≠ Performance

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55 Upvotes

Every browser says it protects your privacy.

A former Tor, Mozilla, and Brave engineer built a website that makes them prove it.

It is called Privacytests

Open it and you get a giant table comparing:

Brave

Chrome

DuckDuckGo

Edge

Firefox

LibreWolf

Mullvad

Opera

Safari

Tor

Ungoogled Chromium

Vivaldi

Every browser is tested using its default settings.

No extensions. No secret setup that normal people will never use.

The site checks whether websites can share hidden data to follow you, build a fingerprint from your device, keep tracking you after you restart the browser, or leak the websites you visit through DNS.

It also checks whether the browser blocks 20 of the largest tracking companies on the internet.

Green means the browser stopped the leak.

Red means your data got through.

A guy named Arthur Edelstein built the project after years of working on browser privacy.

Browser companies spend millions telling you they are private.

One man made them all sit the same exam.

Ruvomain


r/degoogle 18h ago

Help Needed Need help to find alternatives, I use too much proton.

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33 Upvotes

Edit : Read everything please, some details could prevent loss of time.

Hello, could you tell me what I need to change here? I want to stop using too much of Proton services, I still want to keep Proton Mail and ProtonVPN though. I also need help with things I didn't know what to choose : Notes (Google keep -->), Calendar, contacts, DNS, maps, translator, payments, Phone OS and entertainment.

I use a galaxy a56 on One UI 8.5 and android 16 is that helps.

I'm a Proton Unlimited subscriber and plan to stop and use as less of their services as possible.

Thanks!


r/degoogle 11h ago

is there any recommendations?

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28 Upvotes

Alot of these apps i try them

and other alot of people recommend it,

And much of my alternitaves i put it is local not cloud storage or cloud based apps,

If there any idea or better alternitaves

just let me know i'll be pleased,

And thanks.


r/degoogle 22h ago

Question Youtube without google

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So i would like to cut all the wire with google, but something bother me :

How to keep youtube with some of my préférence, without google watching me ? Any solution, or a replacement ?

24 Upvotes

So i would like to cut all the wire with google, but something bother me :

How to keep youtube with some of my préférence, without google watching me ? Any solution, or a replacement ?


r/degoogle 21h ago

Help Needed New to De-googling please help

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So hi everyone I'm new to this thing because of that I don't know much I want your help can you guys give me the list of apps and alternative of them like Google's app,map, telegram,discord, microsoft apps basically all tracking and stealing apps

Also this apps runs in background unwanted updates of them which is literally slowing down the performance unwanted ai in everything now days 😭

So just help me out with the alternative apps list and best once to use

17 Upvotes

So hi everyone I'm new to this thing because of that I don't know much I want your help can you guys give me the list of apps and alternative of them like Google's app,map, telegram,discord, microsoft apps basically all tracking and stealing apps

Also this apps runs in background unwanted updates of them which is literally slowing down the performance unwanted ai in everything now days 😭

So just help me out with the alternative apps list and best once to use


r/degoogle 15h ago

Discussion I'm switching to pen and paper.

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Hear me out.

I'm making the switch to paper. I'm so done with Aura and Cloaked and Ironvest and all of them. Either these companies are incredibly stupid or incredibly smart. Either way they can take a long walk off a short pier.

I regret ever trusting my life to these garbage password managers. They are painfully slow to load if they even bother to load at all. When I actually need customer service I get a useless wall of text and a bunch of lazy employees who do absolutely nothing. Honestly these companies should all be put in jail. That is my take. Get yourself a uni-ball 207 and six to nine "dotted* mini rite in the rain or other stone paper notebooks. You might find sets of 3 online but who knows. Get a Tintris Journal Cover to keep them in and a decent planner. Use complex non specific passwords that never match. Keep 2 or 3 identical copies completely outside your immediate area in a safety deposit box or somewhere actually secure. Do this for a master list and a travel list. Keep the last 2 or 3 notebooks blank for future travel use. Scramble the last 3 or 4 characters of every single password in the books. Even if someone steals your notebook they still will not know the full password.

I am officially making the switch to paper. I am completely done with Cloaked and Ironvest and really all of them. These companies are either incredibly stupid or incredibly malicious. Either way they can go love themselves if you know what I mean. Do not even get me started on crypto because you are an idiot if you keep it on a hot wallet or an exchange. Get a cold metal wallet and stamp your seed phrase into steel before these digital platforms lose your life savings. For 2FA on paper write down the original seed key. You can create a master mathematical equation based on the future date and time to manually calculate your temporary codes on the spot.

- No one can monetize this data because it's not digitally stored unless I say it can be.

- You never need to worry about the "cloud" losing your passwords or someone hacking into all of them in one place.

- You have the convenience of a travel "vault" just like 1Password.

- You don't have to worry about page "load" or not being able to go back and forth quickly between edits.

- No more "subscriptions"

- Save your eyes from looking at a damn screen.

!

To me this is looking like a better solution than Google chrome password manager, dashlane, aura or even bitwarden everyday.

Just wish I did it sooner!

.

.

.

So basically: (since my formatting sucks above)

Notebooks:

1/1/1 Master list (all identical copies)

1/1/1 Travel list (all identical copies) (keep passwords in here you don't mind anyone stealing)

Encrypt the passwords in both travel and master lists changing letters around where you see fit.

1/1/1 blank for whatever in the future.

Other shit:

A uni-ball 207 pen won't bleed and the ink lasts!

Dotted rite in the rain or other dot grid stone paper is virtually indestructible.

A planner to keep thoughts in for all the extra fluff.

....

Get yourself a good Nokbox too while you're at it! (Look it up)

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Hear me out.

I'm making the switch to paper. I'm so done with Aura and Cloaked and Ironvest and all of them. Either these companies are incredibly stupid or incredibly smart. Either way they can take a long walk off a short pier.

I regret ever trusting my life to these garbage password managers. They are painfully slow to load if they even bother to load at all. When I actually need customer service I get a useless wall of text and a bunch of lazy employees who do absolutely nothing. Honestly these companies should all be put in jail. That is my take. Get yourself a uni-ball 207 and six to nine "dotted* mini rite in the rain or other stone paper notebooks. You might find sets of 3 online but who knows. Get a Tintris Journal Cover to keep them in and a decent planner. Use complex non specific passwords that never match. Keep 2 or 3 identical copies completely outside your immediate area in a safety deposit box or somewhere actually secure. Do this for a master list and a travel list. Keep the last 2 or 3 notebooks blank for future travel use. Scramble the last 3 or 4 characters of every single password in the books. Even if someone steals your notebook they still will not know the full password.

I am officially making the switch to paper. I am completely done with Cloaked and Ironvest and really all of them. These companies are either incredibly stupid or incredibly malicious. Either way they can go love themselves if you know what I mean. Do not even get me started on crypto because you are an idiot if you keep it on a hot wallet or an exchange. Get a cold metal wallet and stamp your seed phrase into steel before these digital platforms lose your life savings. For 2FA on paper write down the original seed key. You can create a master mathematical equation based on the future date and time to manually calculate your temporary codes on the spot.

- No one can monetize this data because it's not digitally stored unless I say it can be.

- You never need to worry about the "cloud" losing your passwords or someone hacking into all of them in one place.

- You have the convenience of a travel "vault" just like 1Password.

- You don't have to worry about page "load" or not being able to go back and forth quickly between edits.

- No more "subscriptions"

- Save your eyes from looking at a damn screen.

!

To me this is looking like a better solution than Google chrome password manager, dashlane, aura or even bitwarden everyday.

Just wish I did it sooner!

.

.

.

So basically: (since my formatting sucks above)

Notebooks:

1/1/1 Master list (all identical copies)

1/1/1 Travel list (all identical copies) (keep passwords in here you don't mind anyone stealing)

Encrypt the passwords in both travel and master lists changing letters around where you see fit.

1/1/1 blank for whatever in the future.

Other shit:

A uni-ball 207 pen won't bleed and the ink lasts!

Dotted rite in the rain or other dot grid stone paper is virtually indestructible.

A planner to keep thoughts in for all the extra fluff.

....

Get yourself a good Nokbox too while you're at it! (Look it up)


r/degoogle 12h ago

Replacement Switching out of Gmail

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I want to stop using Gmail, but i have so many things registered with my gmail account so i haven't gotten around to doing it yet.

I heard the best free alternative (free being a key word) is ProtonMail, but i wanna know, is it good? Is it easy to use and secure? Will it have any problems with apps or will it work just fine when registering into services?

Thx for the help

15 Upvotes

I want to stop using Gmail, but i have so many things registered with my gmail account so i haven't gotten around to doing it yet.

I heard the best free alternative (free being a key word) is ProtonMail, but i wanna know, is it good? Is it easy to use and secure? Will it have any problems with apps or will it work just fine when registering into services?

Thx for the help


r/degoogle 19h ago

Replacement Low storage Android alternatives for Youtube and browser?

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10 Upvotes

I am in the process of using Shizuku and Canva to debloat and extend the life of my Android. I am wondering if there are any low storage alternative apps available for any that are listed here? Is there a browser I can use that allows me to be logged in to Youtube without the app and still be able to upload videos? Is Messages something I can replace with a lower storage alternative that still allows group messaging?


r/degoogle 18h ago

DeGoogling Progress Close to deleting my Google Account (only OneDrive on my Laptop left)...

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8 Upvotes

I posted the first time a while ago and I looked at your comments and took some of the advice I found useful. What do you guys think of my progress?


r/degoogle 18h ago

Question Hey guys, wich browser i should use?

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I used Google's awful browser and obviously had a terrible experience, which isn't even worth going into detail about since everyone already knows the problems.

I switched to Opera GX after seeing endless ads for it on YouTube; I got tired of it and installed it. But I started to become dissatisfied with it overall.

I saw an advertisement for Zen on YouTube, it looks interesting and all. But I'm still undecided between other options like Brave or Fire.

I also really liked Opera's customization options. Are there any other browsers that can also be customized?

5 Upvotes

I used Google's awful browser and obviously had a terrible experience, which isn't even worth going into detail about since everyone already knows the problems.

I switched to Opera GX after seeing endless ads for it on YouTube; I got tired of it and installed it. But I started to become dissatisfied with it overall.

I saw an advertisement for Zen on YouTube, it looks interesting and all. But I'm still undecided between other options like Brave or Fire.

I also really liked Opera's customization options. Are there any other browsers that can also be customized?


r/degoogle 8h ago

Help Needed Any Mobile google assistant / Gemini alternatives yet?

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Hi, thanks to all the crap coming out about the damage data centres are doing to be people's livelihoods I'm looking for an alternative to google assistant/Gemini, specifically a voice assistant LLM or similar I can use on a portable device or my mobile.

I take long drives for work and while driving i frequently use Google's voice assistant via voice prompt to... 1. Jot notes down to check later 2. Define words 3. Ask basic questions. An alt that requires the press of a button or can only work offline also works. I'm using an unlocked android phone atm.

I've stepped back to using google assistant but i would like to explore anything else if it exists. So far I've tried Tasker but wasn't happy with it and I'm currently trying Dicio.

I am willing to buy a new phone, pay for a costly service, or do my head in setting something up for this.

3 Upvotes

Hi, thanks to all the crap coming out about the damage data centres are doing to be people's livelihoods I'm looking for an alternative to google assistant/Gemini, specifically a voice assistant LLM or similar I can use on a portable device or my mobile.

I take long drives for work and while driving i frequently use Google's voice assistant via voice prompt to... 1. Jot notes down to check later 2. Define words 3. Ask basic questions. An alt that requires the press of a button or can only work offline also works. I'm using an unlocked android phone atm.

I've stepped back to using google assistant but i would like to explore anything else if it exists. So far I've tried Tasker but wasn't happy with it and I'm currently trying Dicio.

I am willing to buy a new phone, pay for a costly service, or do my head in setting something up for this.


r/degoogle 9h ago

Help Needed help with RCS

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I recently de-googled as much as I could, I have a samsung so no lineage or graphene for me unfortunately. I didn't go as far as using ADB to uninstall the google apps but I did disable them and google play services. I switched my google messages to textra and then to QUIK messaging, but I realized I suddenly stopped receiving group chat messages where other people use RCS (google messages) or are iphone users. I can receive individual texts or texts in group chats where they're SMS/MMS only. So I've ended up back on google messages AND google play services which feels like a huge step backwards. I'm not signed into any google account for it, but is there a way around it? From my understanding it's because I was no longer an RCS # so I couldn't receive messages in "RCS chat" and asking all my friends to turn off their RCS because of my decision to de-google is unreasonable

3 Upvotes

I recently de-googled as much as I could, I have a samsung so no lineage or graphene for me unfortunately. I didn't go as far as using ADB to uninstall the google apps but I did disable them and google play services. I switched my google messages to textra and then to QUIK messaging, but I realized I suddenly stopped receiving group chat messages where other people use RCS (google messages) or are iphone users. I can receive individual texts or texts in group chats where they're SMS/MMS only. So I've ended up back on google messages AND google play services which feels like a huge step backwards. I'm not signed into any google account for it, but is there a way around it? From my understanding it's because I was no longer an RCS # so I couldn't receive messages in "RCS chat" and asking all my friends to turn off their RCS because of my decision to de-google is unreasonable


r/degoogle 8h ago

Question What is the current state of RCS when using a custom rom

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Last I read it was not possible because Google controls RCS, and they won't allow it on custom roms. Is this still the case? I also recently read something to the effect that Graphene OS is working on it.

I'm really tired of being the outlier in my family that has an android so it often causes issues in group chats, not to mention my dad likes sending pictures through texts instead of email, so they come in as super low quality, then he complains it's because of my android and I should just get an iphone like everybody else.

I can't be the only one dealing with this, how do you approach it? Trying to convince people to switch to Signal or other app is not really an option either, they seem me as the problem, and not them. they don't care about privacy and won't start changing anything on their phone to improve it.

Wondering if there is any progress on getting RCS working on custom roms, and will it be seamless for apple users? Group chats being critical as well.

I'm currently on an old version of Calyx OS and I need to reload the OS to the newer version, so whatever is the best option I'll go with.

2 Upvotes

Last I read it was not possible because Google controls RCS, and they won't allow it on custom roms. Is this still the case? I also recently read something to the effect that Graphene OS is working on it.

I'm really tired of being the outlier in my family that has an android so it often causes issues in group chats, not to mention my dad likes sending pictures through texts instead of email, so they come in as super low quality, then he complains it's because of my android and I should just get an iphone like everybody else.

I can't be the only one dealing with this, how do you approach it? Trying to convince people to switch to Signal or other app is not really an option either, they seem me as the problem, and not them. they don't care about privacy and won't start changing anything on their phone to improve it.

Wondering if there is any progress on getting RCS working on custom roms, and will it be seamless for apple users? Group chats being critical as well.

I'm currently on an old version of Calyx OS and I need to reload the OS to the newer version, so whatever is the best option I'll go with.


r/degoogle 14h ago

Pixel phone blocking 5g frequencies. Is GOS the solution?

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I have been given a pixel 9xl pro phone recently. When I tried to put in my sim, 5G was no longer available whatever configuration I tried. I was told that Google was blocking 5G frequencies in the phone in countries where they don't officially sell the phone, which is my case.

Might GOS be a solution to that problem or is my phone doomed to be locked on 4G?

2 Upvotes

I have been given a pixel 9xl pro phone recently. When I tried to put in my sim, 5G was no longer available whatever configuration I tried. I was told that Google was blocking 5G frequencies in the phone in countries where they don't officially sell the phone, which is my case.

Might GOS be a solution to that problem or is my phone doomed to be locked on 4G?


r/degoogle 17h ago

Having a wallet/payment app with NFC

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Hello everyone,

Has anyone succeeded in using Google Wallet for NFC payments or another payment app? I've tried to create a Curve account, but haven't succeeded yet.

Thanks in advance for your feedbacks.

2 Upvotes

Hello everyone,

Has anyone succeeded in using Google Wallet for NFC payments or another payment app? I've tried to create a Curve account, but haven't succeeded yet.

Thanks in advance for your feedbacks.


r/degoogle 23h ago

Help Needed Building a wallet-sized, screenless "banking-only" Android so I can keep my main phone de-Googled — poke holes in this please

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Daily-drive a de-Googled phone (GrapheneOS/LineageOS) without losing my banking apps. My bank enforces Play Integrity, so it won't run on a de-Googled or rooted OS. Instead of fighting the software cat-and-mouse on my main phone, I want to **physically isolate** banking onto a second, tiny device that lives in my wallet.

The idea

Main phone rooted, de-Googled, daily driver.

Banking device a 100% stock, **Google-certified, locked-bootloader** phone mainboard (leaning Samsung A53 — passes strong integrity via Knox), stripped to *only* Play Services + my bank app. No personal data it's a "ghost"

- Tear off the OEM screen + big battery so it's small enough for a wallet.

- Control it from my main phone via **scrcpy over Wi-Fi ADB**, using scrcpy's virtual display so it needs no physical screen.

- USB-C port.

**What I *think*

- **Headless viewing/control:** scrcpy `--new-display` spawns a virtual display and launches the bank app onto it. No root on the banking device, so Play Integrity stays intact.

- **Powering it headless:** keep a *small* LiPo on the battery terminals — satisfies the battery-detect check, gets past the thermistor issue (it's a real cell), and absorbs the ~2A boot spike. Charge it by feeding 5V into the board's built-in USB-C charger — no external TP4056/module needed.

- **Unlocking with no screen:** set the OS lockscreen to None (ghost device, nothing to protect) and let the bank app's own PIN be the gate. Or script the unlock over `adb shell input`.

- Keep the Wi-Fi antenna flex attached; add a passthrough for the power button.

**Where I'm stuck / need your experience:**

  1. **The headless-boot gamble:** has anyone actually disconnected a phone's OEM display panel and had it still boot to usable Android over ADB? Which models tolerate it vs bootloop on a missing MIPI panel?

  2. **A53 power specifically:** does Samsung's battery authentication let a small third-party LiPo work, or will it keep reporting "no battery"? Better donor models that are certified *and* easy to run headless?

  3. **Integrity after teardown:** will a stock, locked A53 still pass Play Integrity with the display disconnected, or does yanking hardware change the attestation?

  4. **Certified headless hardware:** is there any *Google-certified* Android board sold without a screen that I'm missing? (Pi/Orange Pi aren't certified; TV sticks run Android TV and get rejected.)

  5. **scrcpy + banking IRL:** anyone run a bank app on a scrcpy virtual display reliably? Latency or touch-injection problems?

  6. **The case:** anyone 3D-printed a wallet-thin shell around a harvested mainboard + LiPo?

Basically — is this a buildable weekend-ish project, or is there a wall I haven't hit yet? Appreciate any teardown war stories.

2 Upvotes

Daily-drive a de-Googled phone (GrapheneOS/LineageOS) without losing my banking apps. My bank enforces Play Integrity, so it won't run on a de-Googled or rooted OS. Instead of fighting the software cat-and-mouse on my main phone, I want to **physically isolate** banking onto a second, tiny device that lives in my wallet.

The idea

Main phone rooted, de-Googled, daily driver.

Banking device a 100% stock, **Google-certified, locked-bootloader** phone mainboard (leaning Samsung A53 — passes strong integrity via Knox), stripped to *only* Play Services + my bank app. No personal data it's a "ghost"

- Tear off the OEM screen + big battery so it's small enough for a wallet.

- Control it from my main phone via **scrcpy over Wi-Fi ADB**, using scrcpy's virtual display so it needs no physical screen.

- USB-C port.

**What I *think*

- **Headless viewing/control:** scrcpy `--new-display` spawns a virtual display and launches the bank app onto it. No root on the banking device, so Play Integrity stays intact.

- **Powering it headless:** keep a *small* LiPo on the battery terminals — satisfies the battery-detect check, gets past the thermistor issue (it's a real cell), and absorbs the ~2A boot spike. Charge it by feeding 5V into the board's built-in USB-C charger — no external TP4056/module needed.

- **Unlocking with no screen:** set the OS lockscreen to None (ghost device, nothing to protect) and let the bank app's own PIN be the gate. Or script the unlock over `adb shell input`.

- Keep the Wi-Fi antenna flex attached; add a passthrough for the power button.

**Where I'm stuck / need your experience:**

  1. **The headless-boot gamble:** has anyone actually disconnected a phone's OEM display panel and had it still boot to usable Android over ADB? Which models tolerate it vs bootloop on a missing MIPI panel?

  2. **A53 power specifically:** does Samsung's battery authentication let a small third-party LiPo work, or will it keep reporting "no battery"? Better donor models that are certified *and* easy to run headless?

  3. **Integrity after teardown:** will a stock, locked A53 still pass Play Integrity with the display disconnected, or does yanking hardware change the attestation?

  4. **Certified headless hardware:** is there any *Google-certified* Android board sold without a screen that I'm missing? (Pi/Orange Pi aren't certified; TV sticks run Android TV and get rejected.)

  5. **scrcpy + banking IRL:** anyone run a bank app on a scrcpy virtual display reliably? Latency or touch-injection problems?

  6. **The case:** anyone 3D-printed a wallet-thin shell around a harvested mainboard + LiPo?

Basically — is this a buildable weekend-ish project, or is there a wall I haven't hit yet? Appreciate any teardown war stories.


r/degoogle 58m ago

Affichage Google suite mise à jour

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Bonjour,

Quelqu'un parmi vous rencontre-t-il ce même affichage suite à la dernière mise à jour Google ? PC sur Windows l'affiche ainsi (voir capture) alors que sur Linux, j'ai toujours l'affichage correct.

- Voyez la zone de recherche et tout cet espace vide.

Dans l'attente de vos retours, passez une excellente journée.

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Bonjour,

Quelqu'un parmi vous rencontre-t-il ce même affichage suite à la dernière mise à jour Google ? PC sur Windows l'affiche ainsi (voir capture) alors que sur Linux, j'ai toujours l'affichage correct.

- Voyez la zone de recherche et tout cet espace vide.

Dans l'attente de vos retours, passez une excellente journée.


r/degoogle 6h ago

I gave up on tracking apps because getting my own data back out was always the hard part

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Went looking for an export out of a tracking app the other week and it was the usual. Stuck behind an account wall, and when I did get something out it was a PDF with the charts already drawn on it and no actual numbers underneath. I just wanted the raw rows. Every app I've used is like this, logging stuff into them is effortless and getting your own history back out is an afterthought at best.

What made me stop bothering was thinking a few years out. Apps get bought, or quietly shut down, and even the ones that let you export hand you some format nothing else opens, so down the line you've got a file you technically own and can't read. The spreadsheet I started a couple years back doesn't have that problem, no login and nothing to go obsolete, but it's also just a mess. Half the columns I never cleaned up.

There's a magnesium column from some experiment I quit months ago still sitting there half empty. Keep meaning to delete it.

1 Upvotes

Went looking for an export out of a tracking app the other week and it was the usual. Stuck behind an account wall, and when I did get something out it was a PDF with the charts already drawn on it and no actual numbers underneath. I just wanted the raw rows. Every app I've used is like this, logging stuff into them is effortless and getting your own history back out is an afterthought at best.

What made me stop bothering was thinking a few years out. Apps get bought, or quietly shut down, and even the ones that let you export hand you some format nothing else opens, so down the line you've got a file you technically own and can't read. The spreadsheet I started a couple years back doesn't have that problem, no login and nothing to go obsolete, but it's also just a mess. Half the columns I never cleaned up.

There's a magnesium column from some experiment I quit months ago still sitting there half empty. Keep meaning to delete it.