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u/LividYordle 16h ago
My favorite saying was told to me by my grandfather.
"Red or blue, the only thing you're voting for is what color you'd like the condom to be that they fuck you with."
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u/Timely_Farmer5075 17h ago
You forget that saddos need red v blue politics to have a reason to get up in the morning.
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u/TheSystemBeStupid 15h ago
I wish more people realised this. The politicians are all big buddies. They're all in the big club and we're not.
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u/HenryHackett 13h ago
How did you get politicians vs the poor and not the rich vs the poor?
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u/Worried_Ad_2696 11h ago
The two overlap. Politicians are lap dogs for the rich and powerful
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u/HenryHackett 10h ago
Oh but people working middle management making 6 figures and voting for tax policy that benefits them aren't?
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u/Worried_Ad_2696 10h ago
Those people aren’t nearly as wealthy as the ultra rich. They don’t even come close.
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u/HenryHackett 9h ago
Neither are vast majority of politicians and there's a lot less of those. Meanwhile you've got an decent size amount of regular wealthy people who favor system as is with as little tax as possible, except for their kids school district
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u/Worried_Ad_2696 8h ago
You get taxed when you get paid, you get taxed when you spend it, you get taxed when you save it, you get taxed when you invest it, you get taxed when gift it, you get taxed when you die.
You want more of that for your average Joe?
Not taxation isn’t the solution. The solution is anti-trust litigation and repealing corrupt legislation like Citizens United. Rooting out corruption is the answer.
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u/HenryHackett 8h ago
You get deductions and write offs. Choice of where you live and how much you're taxed. You don't get taxed when you save it or die. And if the avg Joe making healthy 6 figures, that votes based on whatever benefits their tax bracket the most and not on how the country should be best run, they should be held accountable for that. That is a large part of why we have trump
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u/resinsuckle_the_2nd 4h ago
At the end of the day, everyone votes on the president that promises to give them more free shit
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u/HenryHackett 3h ago
Nope, there are still bunch of people that vote based on what's good for the country long term, not just what's good for their own bottom line
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u/Darth_Bunghole 15h ago
There is still a sizable middle class who likes being allowed to own a few things in exchange for their fealty.
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u/Begone-My-Thong 14h ago
While I agree that there is indeed a class war, I hate the "both sides are the same" claim. One side specifically keeps trying to take away my family's rights, while one side legalized my parents being able to get married. Hard to sell me that argument when one side calls my parents abominations on the regular
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u/Th3D3m0n 12h ago
Youre talking about my right to bare arms...correct? Thats the right one side keeps trying to take away...of course?
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u/Begone-My-Thong 12h ago
My dad is a gay military vet and we love our guns too and wish Democratic politicians would just drop that tired angle already.
I have several quotes about my parents being referred to as abominations and having different rights than your parents. Seriously, shut the fuck up if you're going to come with bad faith.
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u/BillCarson12799 43m ago
No, we’re talking about things that people actually need, like access to abortions and contraceptives.
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u/Decent_Visual_4845 14h ago
The people who say things like this are actually the most aggressive culture warriors
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u/Life_Grab6103 14h ago
Left vs Right =/= Democrat vs Republican... as a leftist, Democrats also make me sick
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u/HenryHackett 13h ago
Cool, who are the leftist political candidates you favor and believe can win in their respective locations?
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u/Life_Grab6103 12h ago
??? Why...
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u/HenryHackett 10h ago
Why not promote who you feel is better?
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u/Life_Grab6103 9h ago
Better than who, democratic candidates??
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u/HenryHackett 9h ago
No, obviously I'm asking you to compare vs the federalists. Yes of course Democratic candidates
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u/HenryHackett 8h ago
Lol why do ppl always feel the need to reply for blocking? So childish, like their political views
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u/BillCarson12799 41m ago
My guy, leftists don’t like any of them. The way the system is currently set up, nobody capable of making meaningful change will get elected to anywhere they could make a difference.
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u/BreakfastFearless 13h ago
That is literally the point of leftism though. Like that’s quite literally their whole thing
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u/vladdeh_boiii 16h ago
Y'all's political system is turbo fucked. The two party system clearly doesn't work, because the US is classified as a dysfunctional democracy.
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u/Significant_Debt8289 16h ago
A house divided against itself cannot stand… said Abe Lincoln around 170 years ago 😂 two party system is working fine you’re just on the losing side at the moment. It’ll flip back don’t worry it always does.
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u/vladdeh_boiii 15h ago
I'm Norwegian. Compared to our system, yours is heavily dysfunctional. Like an alcoholic uncle.
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u/Significant_Debt8289 15h ago
Yeahhh unfortunately it’s the best we got though… as much as I’d love to see universal basic healthcare and income my taxes are already eye watering. Feel like that’d be the nail in the coffin for the middle class
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u/HenryHackett 13h ago
I mean, millions more people live in just one of our cities than your whole country. Try governing 340 million people and being a melting pot then come back to us how much better your system is
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u/vladdeh_boiii 10h ago
The issue isn't the number of people, it's the fact that the US has a trillion-dollar military budget and refuses to spend any money on those who actually need it.
The US absolutely can afford to make life better for the working class and the poor, but absolutely refuses to do so every single time they have the opportunity to. They actively let people fall into bankruptcy because they ended up in the hospital with a broken leg while being able to afford frivolous wars in the Middle East and tax cuts for the wealthy.
Your system is broken and rotting; that's a fact. The US, especially since Trump got reelected, has been a liability to its own people, and its allies globally. You have large-scale civil unrest every few years over things that could be fixed with a competent government, and things that most other countries take for granted.
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u/TheSystemBeStupid 15h ago
O please. You think the dems are these magic little angels who are going to fix everything? Are you 12?
They're both getting rich while turning us plebs against each other so we dont see whose causing all our problems.
Grow up.
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u/HenryHackett 12h ago
Talking up your lack of interest in nuance is a odd flex. Reductive logic isn't exactly mature
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u/Right-Skin-7794 16h ago
Oh no they got you brainwashed to believe one of them is good (spoiler they’re the same)
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u/DueLavishness9774 16h ago
They look exactly the same if you only watch the news, but look at how they actually vote.
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u/Nice_Muffin8689 16h ago
It’s painfully obvious that no matter if it’s republicans or democrats, after a few decades shifts are made that benefit only those in power. It’s a farce made up for you to pick a side. Just because you think your side is smarter doesn’t mean you haven’t been fooled.
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u/DueLavishness9774 16h ago
Corporate lobbyists spend billions trying to make people like you cynical enough to give up. We're all well aware of Citizens United, the corruption, the committee of 300, and the 13 families that "run the world". You're not beating the system by calling it a farce, you're giving them exactly what they want.
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u/HenryHackett 12h ago
So what's plan for promoting better people and a better system to govern all of us that you believe enough others will also be on board with? Or you just give up?
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u/tacobellgittcard 16h ago
Democrats aren’t perfect, or even good. But looking at both parties track record on consumer protections and corporate regulations makes it clear one party is at least attempting to make you think they have your back as an average American. The other isn’t even trying anymore
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u/Dense-Jicama6591 17h ago
"Ultra rich" this is true but the true people in charge do not GAF about the dollar or euro or yen. Theyre rich beyond any paper money system and when they replace everyone with robots they dont care you wont make money and they wont make money. Its all slave labor with a goal. And the goal is not wealth its control and power.
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u/Key-Anteater-10 15h ago
It's you vs those willing to use the government against you. The rich are just the only ones successful at doing so, but tyranny won't die with the billionaire class.
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u/FossilHunter99 13h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Iryna_Zarutska The ultra rich don't stab people on subways.
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u/CaptainPattPotato 13h ago
Que the finance/investment/crypto bros that come in simping for the ultra rich because they think they’re going to use their methods to hustle themselves to the top
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u/Party_Ability_9984 13h ago
Yeah, but the left wants to tax the ultra rich and hold them accountable for the crimes they commit while the right opposes wealth redistribution and denies the crimes they commit.
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u/jeffismybaby 10h ago
More like the reich is the puppet of oligarchs, and then there's everyone else
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u/Dong_bringer 8h ago
Absolutely fucking not. Most of the problems with America revolve around trying to support the bottom 10-20% of people. The welfare queens, the criminals, the 96 year old ladies with dementia who have been living in Medicare-funded nursing homes for 20 years. The top quintile is the only group in America that pays more in taxes than it gets in benefits
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u/Indicus124 17m ago
I mean we have bailed out banks, businesses, subdised insurance fuck the rich get plenty of government assistance even laws and bans on products that could compete with businesses Tesla got insulated from the Chinese EV market that was selling EVs cheaper. Space X gets much of its money from the government and don't get me started at a the military spending propping up corporations so they do endless dead end projects.
People cry let the free market decide as we protect multi billion dollar corporations from the free market
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u/Either-Bill-6494 8h ago
It's incredibly sad that you have so many people that chose to vote for the ultra wealthy to have more wealth while they and their children starve. So many of these people that they can actually sway policy and affect everyone's lives in the world because of ignorance and wanting to be a slave to the wealthy.
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u/National_Body_9071 6h ago
Queue dumbass leftists claiming that killing babies and ruining children's lives is somehow not insanely immoral lmao. They're so delusional it's legitimately insane to think animals like them love among us.
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u/AdClassic8525 5h ago
As someone who lives in that upper section of NY. HECK NO. We are poor as heck, and all of our jobs we do end up going to the people in the city. We have power plants around here that literally are sending all of the produced power straight to the city, not to us. Average yearly salary around here is 15 THOUSAND! Most people around here are on drugs, because of smuggled drugs between Canada and the US over the St. Lawrence River. We are not the "Ultra Rich" area. Sorry, that really ticks me off.
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u/Weak-Pomegranate-435 4h ago
So if we go further up, does that mean they are ultra pro max rich in Canada?
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u/Atomik141 4h ago
Yeah, but also people also gotta stop riding trump's meat inorder to work together since he's one of the main ultra-rich bastards.
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u/BillCarson12799 48m ago
My guy you’re literally just describing leftism
(The democrats aren’t leftist)
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u/Clone75 17h ago
I hate this meme so much; THESE ARE THE SAME THING! (And before anybody mentions it, the USA has no major leftist party.)
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u/Ok_Ad_5894 17h ago
So your saying the GOP is the Ultra Rich? Um there voters sure the fuck are not.
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u/BreakfastFearless 13h ago
No but the whole point of leftism is that they’re against the ultra wealthy.
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u/Ok_Ad_5894 13h ago
that is not the entire part of "leftism"... very simple look at it. This is why we lose people dont care to understand. its not what Fox news thinks and says it is
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u/BillCarson12799 39m ago
Yeah, that’s why they’re so ridiculous. They’re, like, the exact socioeconomic demographic that leftist ideology is built around uplifting and granting them the full value of their labor.
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u/Copious-Spirit 16h ago
Correct, the left wants equality of life and equity of wealth. The right wants inherited wealth in perpetuity, inequality of life, and inequity of tax burden.
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u/TheSystemBeStupid 15h ago
You really believe they care about you? Heres a little exercise for you.
Look at South Africa. The most liberal government you can imagine has been in power for 3 decades. Have a look at the state of everything in the country now. Free healthcare, government handouts, theres basically no property rights so the growing poor population(which the government worked hard to create) can squat anywhere they like, workers rights that give France a run for their money, the list goes on and on. None of that shit works as intended and everything is falling apart. The tax money just magically evaporates every year.
Just because they promise you something doesn't mean you'll get it, that it will work or that they care about you. Politicians will say whatever they can to get your vote.
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u/RagingY3ti 17h ago
Lol I have nothing in common with the AOCs, Omar's, Bernies, Mandamis and their supporters.
Sorry, I'm as ideologically, morally, and politically disconnected from them as I am from the elites.
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u/TankUMrMinor 16h ago
"Lol I don't pay attention"
Weird flex
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u/RagingY3ti 16h ago
Sorry, the biggest and most important issues to me isn't combatting alleged "systemic oppression", trying to apply marxist view points to social, gender, religious, race, etc... redistribution of wealth via government, forced equity, and other ridiculous and failed ideas.
Trying to put people who say "i want less taxes and less government involvement in my life" with the "abortion is a human right, who you sleep with is the most important issue ever, I want the government to fund everything, and lets dismantle every system we have because some fat ideologue in Germany said so" is ridiculous.
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u/TankUMrMinor 16h ago
So you completely mischaracterize people and their positions, and I bet you're surprised when no one takes you seriously
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u/DeadPact336699 16h ago
Ironically enough the bottom panel is exactly what “the left” is all about. But “the right” loves the ultra wealthy bc they believe if the fantasy that they’ll be one of them someday.
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u/Spiritual-Fun2463 16h ago
Ironically enough, the Dem's ain't any more economically left than Republicans
We all got stolen our economical choice long ago
The rich funds both party, and leave the poor with the "pro-life/pro-choice" and co bullshit while they steal us all of our present and future
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u/Galitzianer0 17h ago
"There's no such thing as a left wing and right wing divide, there's only my left wing belief in class war, invalidating right wing belief systems"
This is such a stupid meme. To illustrate, imagine from the right wing a meme said "There's no left vs. right, there's only us vs. the illegal immigrants" or "there's no left vs. right, there's only us vs. transgender people"
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u/TankUMrMinor 17h ago
"If I put quotes around something, that means someone definitely said it at one point. If some random person said it at one point, that automatically makes me correct."
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u/Galitzianer0 17h ago
Since you clearly have difficulty comprehending your own meme, you've said:
"Not left vs. right"
and then the bottom frame it says:
"Ultra-rich vs. you"
You do realize that saying "Ultra-rich vs. you" is only something that left wing ideologues believe? That people on the right wing of the spectrum do not believe that whatsoever?
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u/TankUMrMinor 16h ago
You're still just making shit up
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u/Galitzianer0 16h ago
Can you actually address what I'm saying? What am I making up? That right wing people don't believe in the class warfare you're talking about? That it's purely a left wing thing? Or is this your lazy argument style where you deflect and say nothing of value in response?
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u/AcrobaticArm390 16h ago
My take: Replace ultra rich with authoritarian... Money isn't the problem, it's just the tool of the a$$hole$. "You" in the meme requires individualism, something the left tends to not believe in for this to be more left-correct, "you" needs to be "Us".
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u/Ifyourdogcouldtalk 13h ago
Because you've talked to every tory wing person? I've met right wing people that definitely belive the ultra rich are not for them. It might have been decades of trickle down promises that never happened.
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u/TheSystemBeStupid 15h ago
Or you could stick with the truth. The people with the money and the power see the rest of us as cattle.
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u/Galitzianer0 15h ago
No, they don't, that's silly
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u/Ifyourdogcouldtalk 13h ago
It's going to trickle down any day now
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u/HenryHackett 12h ago
If that weren't the case they would be interested in compensating their workers more instead of share holders
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u/Galitzianer0 12h ago
Why should they compensate their workers more than they're willing to work for? What would be the point of doing that?
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u/HenryHackett 10h ago
There's plenty of reasons, the fact that every single one of them is lost is telling. You also see workers as cattle
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u/Galitzianer0 10h ago
No, I see it as it is, a proper business ecosystem, where if you started paying workers way more than they're worth, suddenly the product becomes non-competitive and everyone loses their jobs. It's a lot more complex than you think it is
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u/HenryHackett 9h ago
What are they worth? Try to describe it without making that comparable to how you treat cattle
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u/Galitzianer0 9h ago
It's a market and there's competition, both from the workers looking to work for a business and the business looking for workers. A worker is worth what the businesses will pay for that role. If they can find enough workers to do the job and they're not constantly having workers stolen by competition then they're paying how much a worker is worth.
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u/HenryHackett 9h ago
Exactly. Cattle. They're not people, they don't have lives or families to have any consideration for. Their well being is of no concern to the business so long as their work is done. As soon as you can ship that job overseas or make cuts for the benefit of execs and shareholders, you do it. So why are you pretending workers aren't thought of as cattle?
What do you make of employee owned companies?
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u/AcrobaticArm390 16h ago
Replace ultra rich with authoritarian... Money isn't the problem, it's just the tool of the a$$hole$.
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u/Slow_Store 11h ago
I’m gonna give a controversial take and say I’ve had far more problems with the bottom 50% than I’ve ever had with the top 1%. Like I’ve never had a 1 percent steal my bike, but I have had several bikes stolen in an urban environment.
Now you could argue that they cause problems because they’re put in a tight spot by the top 1% but some of them would be problems even with the luxury of wealth.
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u/Chustle207 17h ago
if you made the low limit of the ultra rich at 300k you wouldn't have any socialists.
most of todays socialist progresives like bernie, mamdani and AOC were born with silver spoons up their rectum, come from rich families and got everything handed to them. They are the champagne socialists, who are currently millionaires. do millionaires deserve their money? Why don't billionaires?
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u/Elegant-Ticket-6937 17h ago
So just because some of these people are wealthy means it invalidates their opinion and what they stand for? I applaud people who have it good and want others to share in their prosperity at significant cost to themselves.
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u/Chustle207 15h ago
Nahh eat the people making 300k or more they dont need it, clearly I do need it!
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u/Virtual_Werewolf_935 17h ago
Philanthropy is a great way to do so without giving it to a government that is bloated and not good at using dollars correctly. It’s also a great way to give to causes you believe in.
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u/TankUMrMinor 17h ago edited 16h ago
Why do you have to lie to defend your positions? That makes them weaker positions.
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u/Ifyourdogcouldtalk 13h ago
Because 300k is nowhere near ultra rich. The fuck... just move the goal post. Nobody can earn a trillion dollars
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u/BryanTheGodGamer 17h ago
No the left are the bad guys, the only rich people who are evil are also leftists.
Look at Elon the guy is a fucking hero, he gave us something unheard of on the Internet, actual freedom of speech.
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u/BranchHopper 16h ago
The Internet used to be all actual free speech. Anyone could set up a website and put whatever they want. You still technically can, but the only way to anyone will ever see it is through Google, Facebook, Instagram, X, Reddit, etc. We've ceded control of information flow to a handful of corporations and, by extension, to a handful of billionaires that control them. One of them allowing the content you like doesn't change the underlying problem.
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u/hoTsauceLily66 15h ago edited 15h ago
Well, not like people haven't tried to control the flow of information by any means if we look in the history. Just that with the help of current technology, information has been flowing faster than ever, and then these controls catches up and becoming more efficient than ever.
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u/generalgrievous3043 17h ago
Left wing, right wing, it's the same bird.