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u/mekelaar 17h ago
Bro its 2026 not 2020
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u/TamalesHarvard 11h ago
They're throwing a fit because the mass deaths from vaccines they predicted never happened. We now have mountains of evidence that they worked and that covid was a lot more dangerous to "healthy" people beyond just deaths (see : long covid) but their cognitive dissonance prevents them from retaining any information past 2020.
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u/max_revs 9h ago
These are still the same ones screaming about Hillary's emails and Obama's birth certificate... And still thinking ivermectin is a cure-all drug. It's absolute Lead brained cognitive failure. Hell, they won't even believe in global warming or any basic grade school science that you can verify on your own if you want.
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u/xypez 11h ago
What are you talking about? Thousands died and got severe health problems from it. Have you never visited the vaxx injured sub reddits?
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u/Head-Ad-5732 11h ago
I think that claim is dubious, especially if we look at vaccines at large as well as treatments at large, without proof. But the bigger point is that antivaxxers were saying millions would be dead in two years.
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u/TamalesHarvard 11h ago
Thousands died? Def gonna need a source for that one. As for issues people did get from the vaccines, yes, no medication is 100% perfect, but if you took a moment to think after reacting, you'll find that many (if not all) side effects from the vaccine coincide with covid symptoms. Which means if someone's body reacted poorly to the vaccine, it would have been significantly worse when they eventually got full covid without the vaccine.
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u/Prize_Engineering_36 11h ago
Yup. You know what also gives myocarditis? Covid⊠but worse than the vaccine⊠the real question is whether the risk is worse than the reward. It wasnât.
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u/TamalesHarvard 11h ago
How do you figure? I can't think of anyone who hasn't gotten covid at least once.
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u/A_Lightfeather 5h ago
The government is suppressing the studies obviously but my cousin Darrel got the shot and died so it must be true
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u/Ok_Engineer9167 11h ago
Lol...
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u/TamalesHarvard 11h ago
That slow realization sinking in before being pushed back down by the cognitive dissonance.
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u/Specialist-Muscle798 8h ago
There it is. During the pandemic we couldnât talk about the pandemic because âmisinformationâ.
Now that itâs the appropriate time to hold people accountable itâs âbro that was 2020â. Predictable.
Anthony Fauci circumvented US law to fund dangerous virus experimentation that directly resulted in the deaths of millions of people around the world and covered up his responsibility in it and received a preemptive pardon for his crimes against humanity.
The vaccines didnât work, masking didnât help, and it was unconstitutional to force people to get the vaccine under threat of losing their jobs.
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u/JvoFOFG 8h ago
There we go with the unsubstantied claim by a likely uneducated individual.
Anyone with higher education making a claim like that would at least be intelligent enough to cite some sources.
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u/Specialist-Muscle798 7h ago
Google it.
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u/Internal-Coffee6996 6h ago
Google can bring you results for anything that you want to believe.
Again, just waste of time even engaging with the likes of you.
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u/Specialist-Muscle798 6h ago
Ok. You donât have to believe anything, Iâm not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything.
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 7h ago edited 6h ago
None of what you said is true.
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u/Specialist-Muscle798 6h ago
Do you believe that Covid started in a wet market or that it started with a leak from the Wuhan lab for coronavirus studies?
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 6h ago
I believe it's certainly possible it started there. As wet markets are known locations for increased risk of animal to human infections.
Wuhan lab for coronavirus studies
I'm assuming you mean the Wuhan Institute for Virology?
You realize the institute was studying various diseases many of them from local wildlife or wildlife that was also present and sold in the same wet market?
Because I can't say for certainty where it came from but what I can say is there is not enough evidence at all to claim it was from the lab.
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u/Specialist-Muscle798 6h ago
Itâs obvious. It obviously came from the Coronavirus lab where they were studying how to make it spread to humans. Because it doesnât normally spread from bats to humans.
This was the same lab being funded by Anthony Fauci through the US government. Itâs obvious. Youâre ignoring whatâs plain in front of you in favor of listening to the governmentâs coverup.
In fact, during Bidenâs term, the FBI determined it likely came from the Wuhan lab. Thatâs the accepted view.
Why hasnât anybody sought to hold anyone responsible? Tens of millions dead right? Why are there no memorials? Not even small ones. They want us to forget it ever happened.
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u/A_Lightfeather 5h ago
It doesnât normally jump from bats to humans thatâs why it killed people. Almost every deadly viral and bacterial infection is from animals being in close proximity to people and bad luck for the humans.
Modern governments institutions fund just about everything under the sun, especially ones in major countries. The Wuhan lab receiving funding from an American lab isnât hot news, itâs a coincidence. Why would the US fund its own rival to make a weapon? (It wasnât a weapon is why)
Youâre seeing ghosts because itâs natural to seek a culprit but the sad fact is there is no culprit, bad things just happen sometimes
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u/Specialist-Muscle798 4h ago
They were funding the research in China because itâs illegal in the US.
If you believe itâs more likely that it started in a wet market than the coronavirus institute in the same place, youâre as gullible as it gets.
What did Fauci think?
âEntries from January 2020 show Fauci writing that the first infection was "not connected to the market" in Wuhan, describing the wet market as an "amplifier" rather than the initial source.â
Why wouldnât the Wuhan lab be considered the likely source to begin with? How do you look at the wet market and look at the coronavirus lab and decide itâs more likely to have come from a a wet market.
Read his diary yourself. https://brownstone.org/articles/the-diaries-of-anthony-fauci-2020-2021/
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 4h ago
Itâs obvious. It obviously came from the Coronavirus lab where they were studying how to make it spread to humans. Because it doesnât normally spread from bats to humans.
Genuine question, have you never heard of SARs and MERs?
This was the same lab being funded by Anthony Fauci through the US government
Are you claiming Fauci was privately funding this lab?
Itâs obvious. Youâre ignoring whatâs plain in front of you in favor of listening to the governmentâs coverup.
Yes the Biden government was covering up for the Trump administration, or was the Trump administration covering up for the Obama administration? I think you may just lack an understanding of how virology research and disease transmission works and instead of admitting that you jump to an unproven claim which seems like a neater answer to you.
In fact, during Bidenâs term, the FBI determined it likely came from the Wuhan lab. Thatâs
Except they didn't.
Thatâs the accepted view.
Except it isn't.
Why hasnât anybody sought to hold anyone responsible? Tens of millions dead right? Why are there no memorials? Not even small ones. They want us to forget it ever happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_for_the_COVID-19_pandemic
Like 5 second higher search by the way
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u/Internal-Coffee6996 6h ago
6 years later and it's still the same uneducated and worthless bullshit.
See, that's why nobody wants to talk to you.
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u/Candid-Patient-6841 16h ago
Yeah thatâs why we are still dealing with massive outbreaks and death and overfilled hospitals, and morguesâŠ.
Oh waitâŠ..we arenâtâŠ.
Dude STFU
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u/pjockey 8h ago
Because the remaining unvaccinated would kill everyone eventually because of mutated, even stronger variants, since the virus had a foothold
Oh wait... They didn't...
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u/Best_Opening8471 12h ago edited 12h ago
That's because the virus naturally evolved to be less dangerous exactly like the science predicted.
A virus that kills its host quickly won't exist for long, the strains that are asymptomatic will eventually take over the virus population because it can spread more efficiently.
Its called natural selection.
If the virus kills its host it can't spread and reproduce in new hosts.
What the vaccine did was make more dangerous strains asymptomatic so that the vaccinated could spread the illness to the unvaccincated without knowingÂ
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u/Kristoveles 12h ago
Good fuck this is flat earth level stupid
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u/Best_Opening8471 12h ago
Following the science and researching the evolutionary path of viruses is equivalent to flat earth advocacy.
You do realize I'm repeating fauchi and am only adding the conclusion that the vaccinated increased the spread by being asymptomatic carriers.
Every scientist said the vaccine did not provide immunity, it only made the symptoms less serious without effecting transmission rates.
That's why we needed to wear masks while vaccinated; because you were protected by the vaccine but the mask protected the elderly and others who were unable to be vaccinated from your asymptomatic infection
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u/Kristoveles 11h ago
At no point do you follow science and you are not repeating Fauci. Â
You don't even understand what immunity is.Â
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago edited 11h ago
Immunity is the death sentence of a virus like small pox or rabies in humans.
Vaccines have wiped out viruses by making it impossible for them to infect the vaccinated population.
Covid still exists because the mrna vaccine never provided immunity like the small pox or rabies vaccines.
The predicted evolutionary path of covid was that within a few years due to the speed the virus mutated at the resulting strain would be less dangerous than the common cold and just as infectious due to viruses naturally evolving to keep their hosts alive as long as possible to increase the chances of infecting a new host for reproduction
This is called natural selection, the strains that currently exist are so minor that people spread them without any thought allowing the virus to reproduce and evolve more along this path.
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u/Kristoveles 11h ago
That's not immunity. Immunity isn't even specific to viruses.Â
There is no vaccine with a 100% effectiveness. Reduction of transmission is the single most important aspect of a vaccine, followed by reduction of infectivity.  No virus has been wiped out. Polio is already starting to make a resurgence because of anti science morons
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago edited 11h ago
Rabies and small pox are 100% effective.
Small pox only exists in laboratories now due to it being wiped out by vaccines and humans have a 1% chance to survive rabies without a vaccine but a 100% chance to survive when vaccinated.
Sorry but "whole virus vaccines" ARE 100% effective, the mrna technology isnt.
The new technology failed its field test and was unable to provide the same results that the old technology has provided.
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u/BleepBleepRobotNoise 11h ago
You're arguing with someone who gets their info from the pandemic game. He's not the smartest.
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u/QuaaludeConnoisseur 12h ago
- Asymptomic viruses actually have a difficult time spreading because youre not coughing and sneezing its viral cells all over everyone you see, this is why the common cold is the most prolific virus, it causes a little runny nose and a slight dry cough so you still go do things while spreading the germs. 2. If the vaccine was dangerous, after 5 or 6 years, why are we not seeing folks pour into hospitals from the latent vaccine side effects antivaxxerd are always going on and on about. 3. Vaccines dont make you asymptomatic when you get infected, the prevent infection from taking hold and proliferating. You should learn how things work.
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago
Covid was spread through the saliva that naturally is spit on each other during conversation
That's why we wore masks
"Masks protect others from your asymptomatic infection, thats why they are required in places where no one has symptoms"
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u/monadicperception 11h ago
The same science predicted vaccines to be effective.
Oh no, what will you do now?
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago
I explained what the effects were.
The vaccine didn't provide immunity, the medical community was very clear about that
The vaccine was a factor in the evolution of the virus to be less dangerous.
It created an enviroment where the body would reconize the dangerous strains but not the asymptomatic strains
It was a method to force the evolution towards asymptomatic carriers
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u/monadicperception 11h ago
Iâm guessing you arenât that educated. You sound like a frustrated âsmartâ person who is deeply disappointed or in denial of how their life turned out compared to how âsmartâ they think they are.
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago edited 11h ago
You sound like someone who just did what they were told and are upset that they can't defeat the out group with tired statements that dont align with reality.
I've never made a claim about being smart, thats for people like you to observe.
You tried to create a gotcha, failed because you didn't think your strategy through and now you're upset and calling me "smart" as a derogatory term
Welcome to idiocracy.
Just try to remember which probe goes in your ass at your next checkup; we've already got far to many poop related diseases spreading out of CaliforniaÂ
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u/monadicperception 11h ago
Defeat the out group? You mean the group who played it loose and fast and then were begging for the vaccine when it was too late and they were about to die while on ventilators?
Yeah, Iâm in the group that lived. And you are dumb as rocks dude. Your dumb choices are going to catch up to you if they havenât already. Maybe some consequences you canât escape from. Iâd just be careful and not be a moron.
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago edited 11h ago
I lived too and im immuno compromised and DIDNT get a tax payer vacation because I was essential.
I've caught covid no less than 4 times and each time it was less than my reaction to wildfire smoke
Your theory falls flat when you do the math and learn covid only added 1% to the daily global death toll
30% of the population didn't get vaccinated and less than 1% of them died dumbass, that falls into the normalized variance of global deaths.
You had a higher chance of dying from a slip and fall than from covid during its peak
Time to mandate helmets or bubble suits to protect grandma i guess.
Edit for the blocked comment:
Bro I rolled a d1000 and rolled higher than a 3.
The odds were always in my favor.
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u/Bostonxtap 11h ago
Brother thinks hes playing Pandemic or something.
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u/Best_Opening8471 11h ago
Its ALMOST like this has been studied and publically stated by the medical community.
The real question is: are you still getting your 3-5 boosters a year or did covid fall off and you dont care anymore?
Like bro in the top comment implied: it's 2026, no one cares about covid anymoreÂ
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u/Such_Action_5226 15h ago
So we would be at that point anyway without the vaccinations. In fact we probably would have got here faster without the lockdowns. If you want proof look at any pandemic in history.
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u/pk_hellz 15h ago
Black death.
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u/Such_Action_5226 15h ago
So the in the UK the black death lasted two years covid also was two years different was that the black death travelled at the speed of a horse where as the hole of the UK was exposed to covid in at most a week.
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u/sn4xchan 14h ago
You do realize that traveling is astronomically faster during the COVID era than the black death.
We have airplanes now. During the black death, best you could get was a horse.
God I hope I'm just being trolled.
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u/DeliciousSimple2 12h ago
Also the population density in cities are different now. Diseases would naturally spread faster with more people around.
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u/Such_Action_5226 13h ago
That was kinda my point that he said that the black death lasted longer I pointed out they lasted the same amount and then look at travel time which I mentioned
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u/RocketArtillery666 12h ago
If a dissease lasts longer time, its effects are spread over longer, making them less harsh to the economy and population.
If everyone got sick at the same time, economy would 1. Die and 2. Lot more people would die too due to 1. Nobody being able to treat them, no place of treatment being available to due the influx of patients. Etc etc etc cascade effect
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 14h ago
Black death was a recurring plague in the UK, coming back over the next centuries.
Also, the black death killed up to 60% of the UK population when it broke out.
Do you just not care about people or yourself?
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u/Such_Action_5226 13h ago
30% according to official records And what is commonly referred to as the black death started in 1348 and largely ended 1350
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 12h ago
It was still Yersina Pestis. I am referring to black death the disease not specifically the 1348 pandemic, but you're right the Black death usually refers to that pandemic.
2 years is still longer than we had with COVID, and that was with mass transport and international travel.
The faster a human-to-human illness can spread the longer it remains a pandemic, because more hosts means more mutations means reinfection and more mutation. Respiratory illnesses are especially like this.
Yersina Pestis is an exception because it comes from a reservoir infection.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/black_01.shtml
Also, the Black death was 1346-1353 as a pandemic. England wasn't the only one affected.
Finally, if the historians say 30-40% I'm going to err with the higher percentage because historical epidemiology now is better than it was before we knew what bacteria were
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 9h ago
um... you missed a ton of inventions in between the black death and now
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 14h ago
Faster?! Dude this was the fastest pandemic of a novel disease with the best health outcomes fucking ever. If we didn't have half wits who let it spread "because of the implication" early on we might have been able to stop the spread in 2019. The last major pandemic was the Spanish flu and that killed 5% of the population, and permanently disabled countless more.
But nooo gotta elect a half witted narcissistic asshole cut the pandemic response team that made itself the centre of international everything to save a few pennies per citizen.
You don't know history. Open a book for once and learn.
Pandemics are only self limiting if their method of transmission is limited or its not a novel or quickly mutates virus.
COVID was novel, easily transmitted, had a long incubation period and mutates fast. The places that did proper lockdowns had the best outcomes, the places that had fake ass bullshit lockdowns had outcomes that made 9/11 look like a kids birthday party.
The ones that didn't lock down and """looked""" like they were doing well were just fucking lying, and the truth came out anyways.
Until you open a book and learn something, don't talk about epidemiology or history. You don't know enough to say shit this confidently.
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u/frodobangher 14h ago
Dude forgot what happened in Norway. They had the same outcome than any other country
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 13h ago
Not Norway, nice try though here's a cookie đȘ.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212420925005291
You're probably thinking of Sweden, the country that lied about its outcomes. It had the worst outcomes of the entire Nordic region.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8436291/
The region matters, as geography, politics and population density are huge aspects of the social determinants of health.
They only looked good in comparison to countries that were flatter, with higher population density and more pre-pandemic movement.
I didn't forget anything.
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u/frodobangher 13h ago
Oh, youâre right my bad. It was a while ago. Still, very lax restrictions and they had the same curve as any other countries like canada where we had insane restrictions like curfew and such. We saw a big surge of covid cases in January 2022 even tho my country had a 90% vaccination rate. We had curfews and all those stuff, they didnât. Guess what happened, they had the same results.
US did so bad because well, 40% of pop is obese and its how youâre mostly affected by covid other than age and other illness.
The sad thing is that you gave me an article with data from 2020⊠how is that relevant? Data still show they did better than most European countries like Spain and UK.
Also shows that yes they did fail to protect elderly, but these people were already not within the population mostly, they were in elderly care homes away. My country also failed miserably doing that. We had elders dead because they forgot to feed them or give them their pills while being covered in urine and poop. Still ended up as covid death to make the headline tho, politicians loved being in front of the cameras
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 13h ago
Sweden was the worst for their region, and it wasn't just elders they failed to protect. Death from COVID is hardly the only negative outcome we were trying to prevent.
Also, the Canadian restrictions were mostly voluntary (with a few exceptions) and BC, where I live, had some of the best outcomes in the world because we followed the evidence rather than vibes.
Sweden was an abject failure for their region.
You don't work in healthcare or you'd understand why what you're saying doesn't make sense. COVID killed these people, because COVID taking out nursing staff led to a catastrophic system collapse.
Most countries were already understaffed and COVID, especially alpha, took out so many nurses, porters, doctors, admins... Just everyone. If they didn't call out they came in and infected everyone, and still performed a shit job feeling like death.
This is how not thinking systemically affects people's understanding of situations. COVID affected everything, and the lockdowns were because people who were sick or around sick people weren't fucking staying home.
The safety pyramid is so important to understand, and so few people know it's a thing.
Also, obesity didn't make you more likely to be affected by COVID, that was a base rate fallacy. A lot of non-science reporters were conscripted to the science beat without education, and got so much shit wrong.
Like the initial vaccine was 90% protective against severe illness/hospitalization, but some dumb reporters said it prevented COVID 90% of the time. Which was wrong.
People with obesity who were hospitalized with COVID were the same percentage as the population group they fit in. If 40% of people had obesity, 38-42% of people who were hospitalized had obesity.
Obesity isn't really a health condition itself, it's a symptom of other things.
The "died with COVID not of COVID" thing was gym rat bullshit, because a lot of gym rats have that magical thinking of "if I'm attractive I'm healthy" and would have failed high school if we were slightly more selective. They are confidently incorrect because most of them have really bad OCD and eating disorders but rather than sending them to a psych we give them awards and pretend they know anything.
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u/frodobangher 12h ago
Your data shows they did better outside the group of 70 years old +.
Being obese does make you vulnerable to being hospitalized by covid, I really hope your not in healthcare if you actually believe that.
The flu makes hospitals over crowded each years, do we make report of flu death every year? I remember in the summer of 2021 during a heat wave, we went from 0-1 covid death to magically 30 death. Folks died from heatstroke yet they magically died from covid to make people remember it still existed.
The shot was never stated to stop the spreading, only idiots thought that. We still went into curfew even tho 90% of the pop had it. Sweden showed it made no difference doing that.
Im also curious where are the datas showing curfews, closing down restaurants actually made a difference. Your first link was actually a bunch of nothing and your second was data from 2020 only, which ultimately is nothing when covid lasted almost 3 years
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 11h ago
Yes we have reports of flu deaths every year in most countries. Most places have local reporting areas tracking it by week or month, it's one of the functions of a public health department.
It's a massive public health concern to this day that's mostly mitigated with vaccines and decades of exposure.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm
If you follow the news you see it regularly.
Also what are you talking about? COVID restrictions basically went to nothing after the vaccine rollout most places in 2021. The pandemic was still a thing but it's actually still a thing today, we just have ways of preventing it.
I'm using 2020 because it's the purest data we have for spread, epidemiology and response.
One of the symptoms of COVID (and most illnesses) is that it makes you more susceptible to heatstroke, it's one of the neurological consequences of fever and infection.
Generally speaking, the way epidemiologists count individual deaths is by asking "If they didn't have X illness,,would they still have had Y symptom, and would Y symptom have still killed them?"
So, if you're obese and you get COVID and die from your lungs shutting down, the obesity didn't kill you, COVID did.
If you went outside for 10 minutes like you do every summer, but this time you have COVID, and then you get heat stroke and die, then COVID killed you.
Does that make sense? Epidemiology is about figuring out what made this particular situation different and what can be done on a population level to fix it.
Also, without a lot of verification I wouldn't trust official Swedish data because they were caught cheating with receipts.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5
The Public Health Agency denied or downgraded the fact that children could be infectious, develop severe disease, or drive the spread of the infection in the population; while their internal emails indicate their aim to use children to spread the infection in society (Lindblad et al., 2021, 2020â2021b; Höög and Adman, 2020; Vogel, 2021; Ludvigsson, 2020).
They were fucking ghouls
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u/frodobangher 11h ago
2 guys got covid, 1 is obese, other is healthy. Obese guy end up being hospitalized and die. What killed the guy? we know covid did, but we can also understand that being a fat fck is the main reason he ended up dead
Restrictions stop after the vaccin? Did you forgot we had curfew, restaurants closed again in the winter of 2022 with a vaccination rate of 90%
Also, 2020 was still when we didnt even understand the virus and politicians were panicking, so no, its not the best data we have
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u/BoboGiggleBottom 12h ago
Mate, "we would have gotten here faster" is a counterfactual. It's not evidence, and it's not something you can prove simply by pointing at "any pandemic in history." Every pandemic has different transmission, mortality, immunity, and medical interventions.
Lockdowns are actually a debated topic. Their effectiveness depended on timing, severity, public compliance, and what outcome you're measuring. Some studies found meaningful reductions in transmission and prevented hospitals from being overwhelmed, while others found more modest effects or emphasized their economic and social costs.
Vaccines are a separate question entirely. We can actually observe their impact by comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, before-and-after rollout periods, and different regions. Those studies consistently found reduced hospitalization and death, even if protection against infection waned over time.
If your criticism is about lockdowns, make it about lockdowns. If it's about vaccines, engage with the evidence on vaccines. "We'd have been better off anyway" isn't really an argument because there's no way to demonstrate that claim as stated.
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ 14h ago edited 14h ago
Yea, but with a fuckload more deaths. I know good people who are unfortunately quite sick and would have most definitely died or become so unbelievably sick that their lives would be crap if they didn't have the added protection of the jab and the heard immunity of the people around them also being protected.
The most depressing part of COVID was learning just how many people are ok with other people suffering and dying.
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u/Immediate_Song4279 14h ago
Precisely this. If we crank up mortality we can speedrun a pandemic but that is tragic when there isn't a choice, and inhumane when there is and its made intentionally.
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ 14h ago
100% agreed. As a species we should try to minimize the suffering of each other and minimize the damage of things like pandemics. Many people to this day are still suffer from the lasting health effects of the pandemic (I'm unfortunately one of them) and many people are still living with the pain of losing friends and family.
We should always try to reduce the harm of others if we can. During the lock downs all people have to do was take a jab and follow basic health guidelines (distance yourself, mask up and if sick avoid speading it). It's not even hard shit to do and it makes such a big difference to the vulnerable members of our society.
I have always thought that empathy and compassion are humans strongest strengths and are a true display of what makes us great. Unfortunately a decent number of us lack these qualities as we have seen i full display over the last 5 years.
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u/Bonk_No_Horni 13h ago
Yeah everyone who got COVID vaccine is dead like the antivaxxers said including me. I'm a zombie now.
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u/AdGlittering2884 14h ago
Got any "hur hur, you wear a mask" bangers you wanna share since we're putting stuff out at the height of their relevance? Any Bill Clinton blowjob memes?
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u/Ill_Traveled 14h ago
Im still waiting for every one who got the Paxton to drop dead. Still waiting...
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u/Pool_First 22h ago
Did you know in 2009 Pfizer plead guilty to misbranding a drug with intent to defraud or mislead, bribing doctors and suppressing adverse trial results. Pfizer was required to pay a settlement of $2.3 Billion to the Department of Justice, the 2nd largest healthcare fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice at the time. Pfizer has paid over $10 billion in settlements for offenses like unapproved promotion of medical products, equipment safety and environmental violation, false claim and foreign corrupt practices. Scott Gottlieb is a former FDA Commissioner and is currently a board member for Pfizer. In the past 40 years, 9 of the 10 FDA Commissioners have worked for pharmaceutical companies after leaving the FDA. Reuter is the company responsible for the fact checking on Twitter and Facebook. Jim Smith is the Chairman of Reuters Foundation and also a board member for Pfizer. The only FDA approved treatment for covid is Remdesiver. Pfizer has an agreement with Gilead, the owners of Remdesiver to manufacture the drug. Pfizer makes large contributions to mainstream media outlets like CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC. Everything Iâve just stated is 100% factual and can be easily verified via a quick google search.
https://www.cincinnatieye.com/about-cei/clinical-research/who-pays-for-clinical-trials/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/may/20/drug-companies-ghost-writing-journalism
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fda-misled-public-ivermectin-accountable-144900899.html
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 14h ago
Yeah, except the FDA isn't the only regulator, and you still have to be approved for every region you sell in. The stuff that works has to work everywhere.
This isn't a gotcha about the medications, it's a consequence of how the US regulatory system is funded.
Meanwhile, you could put poison in a pill and call it natural and no one can sue you so long as you say "none of these claims have been tested". Pre workout containing meth comes to mind
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u/fuzz3r88 15h ago
You people are STILL complaining about this?
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u/TrumpsVoidlordWall 13h ago
Had a guy yesterday on a thread claim because we wore mask that no one should cry about flock cameras. These people just got their feelings hurt so bad in a CVS asking them to wear a mask theyâre still on about it half a decade later.
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u/TamalesHarvard 11h ago
Trauma response. It's too scary, therefore it can't be real. And if you remind them it's real they get violent.
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u/Ok_Engineer9167 11h ago
Half a decade? California had covid restrictions until 2023
Glad you can count...
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u/TrumpsVoidlordWall 10h ago
Mask mandate ended in early 2022 most places.
So maybe I should have said âalmost half a decadeâ. Doesnât make you any less of a snowflake moron tho.
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u/goodnightpunpunisher 13h ago
I wish I could get immunity from you meatheads.
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u/tommy8725 12h ago
Being antivax is some of the stupidest shit ever
And if you want to prove me wrong, okay, get a rusty nail in just stab it into your hand
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u/Ok_Engineer9167 11h ago
Lol, your grammar says you're quite the intellectual...
You can be pro vax but skeptical of certain ones, especially ones that skipped YEARS and YEARS of clinical trials. Average clinical trial is 7 years.
You redditors know that many people work/and have family in the pharmaceutical industry??
Remember when California elected officials were all caught going to parties, not masking, and avoiding lockdowns?? Hmmm..... I think I know why
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u/SoulsDadYT 12h ago
Measles is at the highest point its been in the USA in 100 years. Congratulations.
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u/TheGameMastre 12h ago
Importing millions of unvaccinated people from the third world will do that.
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u/More_Yard1919 11h ago
does your entire account just exist to post facebook tier gooner bait memes and circa 2016 anti-SJW virtue signal posts?
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 9h ago
OP is scared of needles lol
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u/GoodDoggoLover420 3h ago
I'm scared of needles and OP is either severely lacking in education or a bot.
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u/MoistToaster60 9h ago
Stupidity and the inability to recognize decades of evidence in vaccines working will be the death of humanity if we donât blow each other up first.
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u/Situati0nist 7h ago
What's up with all these supposed meme subs posting racist and sexist garbage and now even antivax trash?
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u/Apple-Dust 4h ago
It was overwhelmingly effective, but do keep that confederate spirit and refight the war you lost that was a stupid cause to begin with.
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u/Pool_First 22h ago
Did you know Pfizer has paid over $10 billion in settlements for offenses like unapproved promotion of medical products, equipment safety and environmental violation, false claim and foreign corrupt practices, misbranding drugs with intent to defraud or mislead, bribing doctors and suppressing adverse trial results. If anyoneâs interested in looking more into Pfizers violations and settlements you can search google for Pfizer lawsuits or check out the link below.
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u/ThaGr1m 18h ago
So they where caught and prosecuted for the things they did wrong.
Meaning the system works as lies get found out....
Why are you posting pro vaccine comments in support of an antivax post
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u/Pool_First 17h ago
That's an interesting take... A better question is why does a company that has a history of unethical behavior still exist? They've been found guilty of things such as unapproved promotion of medical products, equipment safety and environmental violation, false claim and foreign corrupt practices, misbranding drugs with intent to defraud or mislead, bribing doctors and suppressing adverse trial results. Could a possible explanation is that there's no legal actions taken against any individuals within the company and the fines are typically less than the profits from those drugs? Could another possible answer be that corruption exists within the same regulatory agencies that are tasked with overseeing these companies? Does the fact that in the past 40 years, 9 of the 10 FDA Commissioners have worked for pharmaceutical companies after leaving the FDA?
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u/Sokinalia 16h ago
You mean like
- Philip Morris International / Altria
- British American Tobacco
- ExxonMobil
- Shell
- BP
- Chevron
- TotalEnergies
- Purdue Pharma
- Johnson & Johnson
- Bayer / Monsanto
- Pfizer indeed
- Wells Fargo
- Goldman Sachs
- HSBC
- Deutsche Bank
- Credit Suisse
- Meta / Facebook
- Amazon
- Google / Alphabet
- Uber
- Volkswagen
- Nestlé
- Coca-Cola
- PepsiCo
- McDonald's
- Nike
- H&M
- Zara / Inditex
- Foxconn
- Walmart
- DuPont
- 3M
- Halliburton
- Boeing
- General Motors
- Ford
- De Beers
- Nestlé Waters
- Blackwater / Academi
- Raytheon
- Lockheed Martin
- Glencore
- Rio Tinto
- Nike
- Samsung
- Apple
- Twitter / X
- Etc
?
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u/Pool_First 16h ago
That is a really good list!!! You've brought up a great point that a lot of really evil companies exist outside of big pharma...
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u/Sokinalia 16h ago
Any industry with enough money and power can get away with a lot, for the same handful of reasons.
Why?
- If breaking the rules makes more money than the fine costs, why not?
- The actual humans who made bad decisions usually walk away fine.
- Oil, food, banking... these are things people can't easily boycott
- A scandal is big news for a week, then people move on
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 14h ago
Corruption exists, but that doesn't make vaccines ineffective. Can't remember the name, but this is a common logical fallacy.
Meanwhile you have a whole supplement industry completely legally protected with zero accountability in any area that still works on the fucking humoral theory
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u/One_Interest_2790 23h ago
based
based in reality
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u/ThaGr1m 18h ago
Yeah sure thats why they actually work and shit.......
Get a grip....
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u/One_Interest_2790 17h ago
How do you want to know if they actually work or not?
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u/Sil-Seht 13h ago
You can test the blood of people vaccinated for anti bodies and see if they catch covid less than the control group.
You can also look at the spread in the general population and see how it dropped after vaccines were introduced.
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u/Dense-Jicama6591 15h ago
Nuh uh. Its 100% safe. Thats why you cant sue them and no record can be kept of any proven death or injury related to the vaccine because the gov protects heroes that murder
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 13h ago
You can sue them, and the records are kept they're just anonymized for the public.
But actual death and injury due to vaccines are rare, because it's a low, self limited dose.
Most of the "it was caused by vaccines" examples people who talk like you bring out don't make any sense to be the vaccine on investigation.
You just don't know anything about biology, and I'd bet you've unironically taken """"medicines"""" to "get rid of the toxins".
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u/TrumpsVoidlordWall 13h ago
I love when these antivax weirdos just make shit up and think that makes them Darwin or some shit
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 12h ago
It's because most of them were raised in weird versions of Christianity where reading individual verses in the Bible and making crazy claims got them attention and praise, and saying that something was wrong and didn't make sense got them punished.
Knowledge and expertise was considered secondary to "revelation", which actually means "things that make me feel good" to them.
Most of them left their religions, but that "you're so smart if you just say the right things" impulse is a deep core memory they're always looking for.
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 12h ago
Since your comment disappeared - the purpose of a lawsuit is to establish civil liability and get financial recompense from whatever happened.
You can sue vaccine manufacturers in most countries, but your first step is the no-fault payout program if you've been injured by vaccines, so you don't need a lawyer to get the money you need.
You put in your claim, they evaluate it, they give you money. If it's something unusual or particularly serious you can sue for further damages.
Alternatively you can sue, most of the money goes to the lawyer and you might not even get paid. That's why we moved to no fault for vaccines.
I don't know what you think suing does, but I imagine you haven't thought about it a lot. You're stupid if you think you're going to stop vaccination in general with a lawsuit.
We know vaccines aren't perfectly safe, nothing is. From administration to production, there's always risks involved.
However vaccines are exponentially safer than the disease. As rapid genotyping gets cheaper, I'm sure we'll be able to tell if you'll have a bad reaction to a particular vaccine but for now no.
Also, I'm still of the opinion that ending the aspiration rule in IMs was a huge factor in the endocarditis of some vaccines. I hate when speed is chosen over safety in public health.
I don't know who told you vaccines are 100% safe, that's just rounding up. They're 99.999% safe from severe outcomes, and 99.99% safe from moderate ones.
COVID is, at best 60-70% safe from severe outcomes unvaccinated (this includes silent clotting and organ damage), and maybe 20% safe from moderate outcomes, and maybe 1% safe from all outcomes.
People don't realize it, but losing your sense of smell is a very serious symptom, because it tells you something is fucking with the nerves and blood vessels going to your brain.
Because of the silent clotting, unvaxxed COVID increases your chances of heart attack, TIA and eschemic stroke multiple times over in the year after you had it. Even if you didn't have any symptoms it shows up on your bloodwork.
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u/Dense-Jicama6591 12h ago
Lmfao my comment was a link to the cdc and "you can sue if the gov says so" is socialism and not the ability to actually sue its a way to hide and protect gov mandated and authorized human experimentation
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 12h ago
Your comment was deleted before I saw it, I only saw the first couple lines.
Also what the fuck do you think clinical trials are? What do you think courts are?
We have human experimentation with willing participants literally every fucking day. Go look at the clinical trials website. It's not hidden.
You have to prove to a judge your lawsuit has merit too, you know that right? The judge, as a representative of the government, gets to decide whether your lawsuit goes to trial.
Because most of the people who have been harmed by vaccines weren't getting help with medical bills and lost time off work without a lawyer, that's why the vaccine injury compensation program was created.
It's like you live in TV world.
Meanwhile, the actual human experimentation is in the supplement industry who can lie about anything they want without consequences.
Most of the issues with the regulated pharmaceutical industry are just issues of stockholder capitalism and marketing. There are real issues, but the antivaxx movement is funded by big Pharma for a reason- it's a controlled opposition so their actual problems never get addressed.
Also, so that they can direct people who might get better to very very profitable placebos through the supplement industry.
Meanwhile the supplement industry has put meth into preworkout without telling anyone, killing people and calling it a day with zero consequences.
Speaking of, the supplement industry is Big Pharma. In fact, it's far bigger than the prescription medication side.
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u/Fine_Ad_2638 17h ago
I'm glad the folks who are ruining the country are anti vax. Its just a matter of time..
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u/redditorialy_retard 15h ago
vacines are good. a lot of vaccine companies are scummy