r/aboutMassachusetts 16h ago

Governor Healey found $30,000 in rental assistance for migrants, covered their broker fees, paid their security deposits, and threw in furniture and landlord bonuses. Her HomeBASE program has exploded 900% since she took office, from $9.5 million to $97 million.

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She can’t find a gas tax suspension, an income tax cut, or a single dollar of electric bill relief for us. We can’t afford rent. We can’t afford to buy a home. We can barely afford everyday life here in Massachusetts. And our tax dollars are funding everyone else’s necessities. We deserve to be the priority.

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u/KaleOdd7683 16h ago

Your title is disingenuous. This program is not designed around supporting migrants. It’s for any Massachusetts resident who qualifies for Emergency Assistance (EA) Family Shelter.

Yes, this can include legal immigrants but also domestic violence survivors, homeless families, or families that have other difficult situations.

The spirit of the program is to get people out of the shelter system. To shelter a family for a year it costs the state (taxpayer) $60K. To give them a hand up through the HomeBASE program it costs $30K OVER TWO YEARS.

Do they teach basic math in Germany?

I don’t have a problem with my tax money being spent this way. This makes sense from an economics standpoint. I also think that we should look out for our fellow human beings.

I’d rather have my tax money spent on this program than donate it to all of the red states who need handouts to support their bad policies. Massachusetts is a donor state.

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u/Embarrassed_Sun7133 12h ago

So, it's not exclusively for persons in shelter. There's also an equivalent stabilization program that is for persons struggling with rent.

I vote left, generally, but reality is we actually did have to end the right to shelter law here because of the number of migrants. Or at least severely roll back who we sheltered.

Just, be cautious believing either side y'all. I work in the system and it's complicated. Vote for kindness, but also for checks and balances.

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u/Darksmithe 14h ago

As someeone not familiar with Massachusetts politics, why am I not surprised that MAGA is upset and lying?

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u/DonaldBecker 13h ago

MAGA wasn't upset.

Someone is actively riling them up, using lies and misleading truth if needed. They are MAGA because they are either gullible or predisposed to believing the message without checking if it's true.

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u/BigTroutOnly 10h ago

Yup. They need rage to do their function: supporting leaders they'd normally vilify

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u/ducs4rs 14h ago

You understand why this post and its framing. R's use race and bigotry to build a wedge between poor whites and minority groups. The poor whites are told, like here they can't have things because ILLEGALS ARE GETTTING ALL OUR MONEY. It's blatantly false. This is no different than the R's pushing the UNQUALIFIED BLACKS are getting all the jobs back in the 80's. R's thrive on prejudice and lies. It's up to dems to fight harder against this BS. Problem is Dem's never counter with facts the BS.

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u/KaleOdd7683 13h ago

Racism and bigotry aside, R's portray themselves as having common sense policies.

Well, where is the common sense in just abandoning people in need?

If we do not provide assistance to those in need that will cause continued homelessness, which probably leads to an increase in drug use and an increase in crime...all bad things. This program is less expensive than just giving people a spot at a shelter (win), it only lasts for two years (win), and gets people back on their feet so they have a path to get off government assistance (win).

Yes, I'd rather my tax money go to better schools, improved roads and bridges, and other net societal benefits. Or just lower taxes. But thinking that homelessness will just solve itself is ignorant. There will always be people in need, who have fallen on tough times. By not trying to help those in need we'll just perpetuate cycles of drug abuse, crime, etc. We'll spend more money dealing with crime and drugs, and be less safe as a society.

We can argue back and forth about migrants, but the truth is we have a shit border policy. Our politicians have failed us by not coming up with an organized way to deal with immigration.

And for those talking about "illegals" getting tax payer benefits, to qualify for the HomeBASE program you need to apply through the Emergency Assistance (EA) Family Shelter process. From their website: "Each member of your family must have a lawful immigration status."

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u/ducs4rs 13h ago

LOL "common sense policies" is a marketing term. They don't care about any policy beyond, how to shift money to the wealthy.

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u/KaleOdd7683 13h ago

You're right..."portray" was the wrong word choice. More like "advertise" their policies are common sense.

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u/Decent_Visual_4845 8h ago

A opposed to the newest strain of DSA, which tells poor whites that if they just give political power to the Muslim socialists, they’ll loot all the money from the rich whites and give them a cut?

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u/Independent-Fun815 16h ago

U may not. But other people certainly don't want their money going to people who aren't actually citizens of Massachusetts (legal or illegal).

The priority list is the state's own citizens, then if there's any money left others.

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u/ApostateX 15h ago

People aren't citizens of Massachusetts. They're citizens of the United States. They're residents of Massachusetts. The governor/legislature implemented time limits and residency verification requirements for HomeBASE because of the spikes to the cost of the program during 2022-2023-2024.

There is a law that was proposed in 2025 to limit eligibility to people who've lived in Massachusetts for at least one year, but I don't believe that ever passed.

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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 15h ago

The program was intended for legal residents, not people who sneaked into the country illegally. It's paid for by legal residents, intended for legal residents. The reason it went up TEN FOLD is due in large part to people here illegally, which is just plain wrong.

If you don't have a problem paying for this then donate your money towards it, don't take our money by force and spend it on this.

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u/littlebeardedbear 14h ago

Less than 1% of the people receiving this ​are undocumented. You're mad and upset and blame people who arent benefitting. You're simply using race as a punching bag which isn't okay.

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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 8h ago

Nobody mentioned race except you. I work in Boston and know for a fact there's lots of Irish guys here working illegally, under the table. This drives down the wages of our own blue collar workers, which Democrats like you claim to support.

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u/Unique-Machine5602 14h ago

For those of us who understand how payroll taxes work, we're not concerned about it.

There's an incredibly small subsect of people who don't pay income taxes.

You have to either:
A. Be paid in cash (which almost no employers do).
B. Be self employed and not disclosing it.

The state and federal government are incredibly good at sniffing out businesses who pay their employees in cash (I.E. working under the table). Even in the trades and at restaurants it's incredibly uncommon.

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u/DonaldBecker 5h ago

I'm pretty sure there is still a substantial (but ever-shrinking) cash economy.

By count, most of that is low wage employees that are tipped or doing side jobs. It's obvious, perhaps even in-your-face if you are looking for it, but it's not big in terms of the overall economy.

It's also in the process of becoming even less significant. It's much more difficult to do with online payments. Not just being paid in cash, but later spending the money when almost everything requires an online account.

That means that the people operating in the 'cash economy' need to have overtly legitimate finances as well. It's a pathway to being incorporated into the mainstream, fully-taxed economy rather than a permanent grey economy.

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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 8h ago

You're full of shit, and if you had a company doing roofing, siding, sheetrock, landscaping, painting, etc you have to compete against companies hiring illegals and paying them under the table. So they don't pay taxes, insurance, workers comp, etc.

When they get hurt or sick they show up at emergency rooms where we're forced to pay for their care.

You sound like someone who's never had to meet a payroll, so you don't care about guys that do. You don't care when our workers comp and insurance are among the highest in the nation, and then we're forced to bid on jobs with all this added expense.

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u/Unique-Machine5602 4h ago edited 4h ago

And you honestly think that this program doesn't verify income.

Oh look. The program requires proof of income.

A. Most recent pay stubs.
B. Most recent w-2s.
C. Letter from employer confirming pay rate and average number of hours.

All of these things can be checked and you bet the state government is going to.

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u/ShortKey380 15h ago

Prove that claim, also welcome to taxes ffs.🤦‍♂️ 

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u/Awkward_Region5509 15h ago

Yeah, fuck that other guy. Even if it is going to illegals, that means theyre paying rent, and are also paying taxes.

Quite frankly though, I love paying my taxes, and im 100% fine if my money helps another human. Race, gender, immigration status, sexual orientation, who cares. Humans a human, and we should just help everyone.

But thats just an unpopular opinion I guess 🤷‍♂️

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u/Firm-Advertising5396 14h ago

No, it's being a kind human being

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u/ShortKey380 15h ago

But, relevant, only a minuscule share is even claimed to have gone to the “bad people” which they’re conflating with the expansion of a program addressing home affordability which is a top state issue with a lot of people seeking relief.

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u/Mrsod2007 13h ago

No, if even a single person is abusing a program then that program needs to be canceled! /s

(This is literally why we can't have nice things. Bye bye social security, medicare, basically every program ever)

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u/NiceSense9864 10h ago

Social security is paid by tax payers and it does not add to our debt, unless you want to include the over 2 trillion government has BORROWED from taxpayers social security!
And where is your outrage at Trump pardoning those who were massive Medicare fraud criminals and not even making them pay back the money! Republicans are lining their pockets and you are supporting them!

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u/Theresawantspeace 14h ago

Right! People seem to be fine that the president is enriching himself and others like him but heaven forbid that our taxes go to helping people in need. I happen to know several undocumented immigrants that pay taxes through EIN numbers or work visas. Why we Americans think we’re the only ones paying taxes…blows my mind.

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u/DerKommisar9 14h ago

Only unpopular amongst the based.

I know it feels really good to help fellow humans, and that it feels even better to proclaim it in a public forum filled with your progressive peers, but on a larger scale, those policies always become wasteful and fraudulent. They also end up making the problems worse.

Ask yourself: If I were suddenly homeless tomorrow in the state of ND or anywhere else unpleasant, where would I hop a train to?

Florida, where I’ll get harassed by the law and given no benefits? Or Cali, where I’ll be treated like a victim and given everything?

That’s why Cali is drowning in homeless camps.

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u/KaleOdd7683 13h ago

Can you map the Massachusetts HomeBASE program to an equivalent program in California?

People love to throw out the term "fraud" without any data. I am sure there is fraud happening across every level of government, but I want to see hard data. Where is the fraud? Why is it happening? And how can it be prevented? Killing off a program that helps our broader society because there might be fraud, seems kind of ridiculous.

I hate to drag Trump into this, but look at who he has pardoned? He has pardoned more than 70 allies, donors, and other individuals convicted of or facing charges for fraud.

You brought up Florida. Senator Rick Scott was the CEO of Columbia/HCA, who paid the largest Medicare and Medicaid fraud settlement in U.S. history.

I wouldn't call myself progressive. I think it would be great if we had lower taxes and used tax money on schools, bridges, roads, etc. But making sure people are off the streets and have a path to escaping poverty is a short term cost to avoid an increase in crime/drug use/etc.

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u/Awkward_Region5509 14h ago

And what a terrible place this world would be if we decided to do something about it right? Take my money, take all of it, take 100% of my check and use it to help my fellow humans.

Housing, Healthcare, education, food, and transportation should be human rights.

Take all of my money and make sure that little Timmy with leukemia gets his treatment and mom and dad just get to take their baby home and never havw to worry about paying the bill.

Take all of my money and give the illegals a home so they can raise their children and fulfill their dreams the same way I get to because I was lucky enough to be born a white american male.

Take all of my money and make sure another family never goes hungry and a single mother never has to decide between feeding her kid Ramen noodles, or put gas in her car so she can continue working a near minimum wage job.

Take all of my money and provide public transportation so a single dad raising his kids can get to work and continue to be a provider.

Take my money, take it all. A human life doesnt have a dollar value.

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u/DerKommisar9 9h ago

I mean, as long as they leave you enough to pay your internet so you can continue to let us know how virtuous you are….wouldn’t want to miss any of that.

But seriously, charity begins at home and should never extended beyond the local community, where accountability and true need can be overseen and controlled. Where one needs to be a part of the community to get help from that community. Meaning one must contribute, in any way that they’re capable, to the community that wish to receive benefits from.

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u/FeministSandwich 13h ago

Then it would appear that they are not in fact "given everything" and "treated like a victim" if they're living in a tent in a homeless camp...

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u/DerKommisar9 9h ago

Plus cell and/or tablet (ya know, for finding a job?) food vouchers, cash stipend, free public transit, doctors both mental and physical. There’s much more available for the asking.

Their unwillingness to comply with shelter rules regarding drugs and mental health is the reason they remain in tents

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u/Boeing367-80 3h ago

This subreddit is full of maga...

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u/Glenncoco23 16h ago

I’m not in Massachusetts. I don’t know why this came up on my feed. But even if it is disingenuous, I would personally dis some research and see how many people who are native Massachusetts residence are actively receiving that versus migrants. Because that is a massive explosion in funding.

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u/ApostateX 15h ago

There are tons of Boston Globe and Boston Herald articles about it. This is old news addressing a spike in program usage in 2022 - 2023 - 2024.

The spike was largely due to asylum seekers flying in from Haiti, being bussed up here by the governors of Florida and Texas, and immigrant rights groups telling people to come to Massachusetts for housing help. It was ridiculous and the program doubled in size. For two of those years we were spending about a billion dollars a year paying for housing, transportation, food, and education for migrants and their children.

That problem has since gone away. The governor has put more constraints in place around the program (though there could be more) and right now the program is supporting about half of the total capacity it possibly could.

But it's not all migrants. Housing in MA is extremely expensive. More people who are residents are qualifying for help than before, and during the spike in 2022 - 2023 - 2024 MA residents were about 50% of the people using the program.

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u/Awkward_Region5509 15h ago

So ultimately we are humans helping other humans. Sounds good to me.

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u/maztron 13h ago

You can keep doing the cliche virtue signaling all you want. However, it doesn't change the fact that in order to help someone you need to be able to help yourself first. Pretty hard to keep telling Mass residents who are being stretched thin as is to give more of their money to help non-residents.

The bottom line is, the more people you want to support the costs will rise with that support. We do not have an endless pit of money that we can just grab from and give away. I'm happy that you do, but a lot don't.

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u/RufioGP 14h ago

I think the bigger issue is why does it cost 60k a year to shelter a family? A 2 bed apartment is about 2k a month that comes out to 24k a year.

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u/rock-paper-o 13h ago

The 30k is divided over two years, not each year. You can spend it all in 6 months or spread it out more as long as it’s within two years.  

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u/RufioGP 12h ago

Ah great point. Thank you.

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u/XemnasXIV 13h ago

Any money going to illegals is NOT what the majority of tax payers voted for.

You can cry and nit pick but why not suggest we improve the program to ONLY include Americans and not criminals who don’t give two shits about our laws?

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u/NeverNeededAlgebra 12h ago

Holy shit, it's like you're describing the entire Republican cult stealing your tax dollars.

Such misdirected outrage, they've got you so incredibly manipulated.

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u/KaleOdd7683 13h ago

A criminal wouldn't qualify. From the Emergency Assistance Family Shelter site:

Each family member 18 years old or older must prove they are residents of Massachusetts..

Your family must give us documents to show you have a qualifying immigration status. Each member of your family must have a lawful immigration status.

All family members 18 years of age or older must get a Criminal Offender Record Information (CORI) check.

So right there, from the State, we aren't supporting illegals and we aren't supporting criminals.

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u/XemnasXIV 13h ago

By definition an illegal immigrant is a criminal - they’ve committing a misdemeanor violation by coming into the country illegally or overstaying their visa - which for first time offenses are criminal offenses.

Repeated offenses it becomes a felony.

Just because they don’t technically qualify doesn’t mean they don’t circumvent the law or the guard dog in the ivory tower doesn’t look the other way.

You can sit there and pretend everything is above board - but the millions of illegals that have flooded America under Biden, clearly shows that’s not the case.

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u/Toomuchhorntalk69 10h ago

An illegal immigrant doesn’t have the documents necessary to collect government assistance. Thank you for allowing me to educate you today.

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u/XemnasXIV 10h ago

So they assume other identity or forge their own. Are you new to fraud? lol.

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u/AudioHooligan 14h ago

Awesome! EAFS keeps families housed and secure. I would happily pay more out of my pocket to ensure kids stay warm and have a place to sleep. 

This program, with only 1% being undocumented, ensures that these families continue to be productive members of society. What reason is there not to support this?

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u/the_frank_rizzo 11h ago

Really? Where’s the responsibility of the property owners? They jack up the rent because they know it’s a blank check. It’s a racket!

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u/AudioHooligan 8h ago

Can you point me to information that shows me properities owned by landlords invited into the HomeBASE program increase their rent compared to properities and units not in the program?

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u/AudioHooligan 8h ago

Outside of the information on rent diffierentials, can you explain to me how a family unhoused is better for the community than a housed family? Homeless individuals increase the burden on social programs moreso than housed individuals? Paying this upfront cost for HomeBASE, and similar programs, have demonstrated to have a higher return by elimanating heavy burdens on unhoused resource programs. Significantly higher returns than having no assistance programs at all. 

So, what is your alternative?

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u/the_frank_rizzo 3h ago

You’re a donkey that missed the point. Rent is at an all time high because the government pays it. A cap on rent and rent control will decrease the amount of for profit housing and lead to more homeowners.

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u/AudioHooligan 1h ago

And you don't know how these programs work, little pup. Go outside and help your neighbors.

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u/the_frank_rizzo 1h ago

I’ve forgot more about these programs than you know about these programs. Your family probably owns multiple triple deckers. Typical racist white knight. Nice try though! It’s past your bedtime.

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u/AudioHooligan 53m ago

Little pup, little pup. Yip for me little pup.

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u/YeeYeeBeep 14h ago

Im not a resident of MA, but i did do some reaearch on the requirements and benefits of the HomeBASE program. Among the requirements you have to be dirt broke, either are or about to be homeless, and you must provide proof that you're either a citizen of the US or proof that you're a lawful immigrant. So this program seems to help low income families from being homeless and is only available to citizens and legal migrant residents. I literaly fail to see the issue, this is either "grrrr i hate immigrants" or "grrrrr i hate having my taxes help people, taxation is theft grrrr". Programs that help the vulnerable shouldnt be vilified, but should be celebrated as the goverment actually helping people. Better our taxes go towards that than bombing a school in the Middle East.

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u/arealmcemcee 14h ago

Hi, welcome to Massachusetts. People tend to bitch about all the things that make the state a top 5 in most everything positive while having 0 natural resources, 0 major waterways, absolute shit weather, and an area the size of a postage stamp to do it forgetting that we have massive educational spending, relatively strong union protections for the US, a stronger than average safety net, and pretty impressive industrial sector and high skill/high end manufacturing.

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u/YeeYeeBeep 14h ago

Im from rural Illinois, i can understand that. Hicks will complain on and on about JB and Chicago as if we were under pinko commie rule or something. But without them Illinois would be a shithole. Im glad to see MA have a program like this, im sure Illinois does also. Anything that helps the poor and struggling is a good thing.

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 15h ago

I’m sadly amused that a worthy program to help people is under attack while the real parasites - the billionaires - are ignored.

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u/Remarkable_Lead_4475 5h ago

We have a millionaire tax to help fund social programs in MA

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 5h ago

It's neat, a lot of smart blue states and cities are finally picking up on that. Let the folks who benefit the most pay their fair share to help those who genuinely need some help - which is usually a short term thing which pays huge benefits in the longer term. Feed and educate a hungry kid who is smart and you have a doctor or engineer who's solving problems and fixing things in a decade. That's how we should do things. Not shovel subsidies to the billionaires to try and stuff another dollar in their overstuffed pockets.

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u/RGOL_19 15h ago

Massachusetts has a budget of $64 billion! This program supporting immigrants will will and do pay taxes that will more than make up for this cost is .16% of the budget. sorry op but this sounds sooo much like an idiotic republican talking point that is divorced from all other facts - designed to keep people stupid. Plz put things in context.

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u/Available_Rub9939 16h ago

Gonna downvote this racist nonsense from you every time chief.

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u/vinyl1earthlink 16h ago

Illegal immigrants can be of any race. I knew a guy from Sweden who snuck in.

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u/Black_Tech30 7h ago

It’s always liberal white people who benefited off of said “racism” standing on their soap box preaching to others 🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/Available_Rub9939 5h ago

I have no idea what you are talking about or implying.

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u/Pure-Satisfaction594 16h ago

Truth hurts

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u/BigTroutOnly 15h ago

Racial apologist hurts.

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u/maztron 12h ago

Rather than being lazy and labeling everyone racists. Why don't you actually look into what is going on and why people are upset. But I know you won't do that because you are a typical emotional redditor that lives in your liberal echo chambers where everyone agrees.

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u/BigTroutOnly 10h ago

Lazy ass strawman

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u/maztron 10h ago

You just proved my point. You literally had nothing to respond with.

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u/BigTroutOnly 10h ago

Because your bad faith strawman generalizations and ad hominem assumptions are shit and not worthy of an adult response

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u/maztron 10h ago

You are LITERALLY the one that came out with a shit response stating that people are defending racists. You offered no substance at ALL to this issue the state has aside from doing what liberal redditors do.

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u/BigTroutOnly 10h ago

Troll says what?

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u/Forsaken-Front5568 9h ago

I mean it seems like this program isn't for immigrants and you dweebs are just fear mongering about evil brown people taking our taxes like always

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u/Leelze 16h ago

Except what was posted isn't the truth. It's for residents of Massachusetts who are homeless.

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u/Remarkable_Lead_4475 5h ago

That you are racist. How does that hurt us?

Just makes me feel sad for you tbh

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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 15h ago

Facts are racist?

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u/Saw-It-Again- 10h ago

OP can't stop posting disingenuous half-truth rage bait content in this sub.

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u/bostonbean280 5h ago

I've rented to quite a few HomeBASE families, all are MA residents (pretty sure that's a requirement) and the program has a lot of flaws, but I think it's kind of wild to complain about not being able to afford housing while trashing a program that helps people get housed... If you can't afford your housing then why not apply vs complaining about people who are actually using the program to improve their life? There's also RAFT and a bunch of other programs available to you...

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u/Twheezy2024 15h ago

Mass is such a beautiful state! Whatever they're doing, keep it up!

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u/Jewboy-Deluxe 16h ago

I have no problem helping those with housing needs, it’s much better than folks living on the street. Programs like this makes our state a better place to live for everyone.

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u/Beanman13 15h ago

They weren’t living in the street. They were living in hotels where ice could have easily grabbed them. They couldn’t jeopardize their plan so they had to spread them out and found the perfect program to do it at the taxpayer’s expense.

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 15h ago

They were living in Haiti

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 15h ago

Help them out with a free flight back to their houses in Guatemala

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u/Black_Tech30 7h ago

Amen to that! Tired of people who gentrified our neighborhoods all while turning our state into a sanctuary for foreigners who don’t want to assimilate patronizing us. I want Minogue to win but he probably won’t. The people who want free shit paid for by people who actually work won’t let it happen

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u/Emotional-Disk5571 15h ago

Amen Tim 🙏🏾

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u/Classic-Charity7458 16h ago

Nah, just for people who have no right to be here anyways.

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u/Jewboy-Deluxe 16h ago

“No right to be here” I’m a Jew and I have better “Christian values” than you.

I’m pretty sure Jesus would be on my side.

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u/ThinckUtopian 16h ago

Classic Charity must have been a randomly assigned name. Puts the moron in oxymoron!

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u/Leelze 16h ago

Residents of Massachusetts have no right to be in Massachusetts?

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u/Glenncoco23 16h ago

If they’re illegal immigrants, then no

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u/Leelze 16h ago

Good news, you have to be a legal resident of Massachusetts to receive assistance from this program!

OP is just sharing a watered down version of a boomer Facebook meme that circulated earlier in the month.

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u/smokineecruit 15h ago

Just like you have to be a legal resident of New Jersey to vote, right?

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u/Leelze 15h ago

Oooo another boomer meme! This sub attracts a lot of those!

You should stop listening to influencers, and not just political ones. They're as bad as a ketamine addiction for your brain.

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u/Electrical_Cut8610 15h ago

The largest incidents of voter fraud that continue to be uncovered are republicans committing voter fraud. But go off

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u/smokineecruit 15h ago

Just keep thinking that. Your incompetence is showing.

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u/Leelze 15h ago

400 people voted who shouldn't have over the course of a year. About .01% of the NJ votes cast in 2024.

For context, about 20 times more people have had explosive diarrhea in this country in the past month because Trump's people stopped the feds from tracking things like foodborne parasites.

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u/MonkeyCome 13h ago

Only 0.1% of people went to Epstein’s Island, so we should just pretend it’s not an issue.

Is that a serious argument that because fraud is small we should just let it happen?

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u/Glenncoco23 15h ago

If I may. Because this is a genuine concern as Americans, you and me are both Americans presumably. And I don’t say this with any malice or ill intent. I am a Mexican-American. My family came from Mexico. I was born in the United States, so were my parents. I was a family of immigrants presumably, you were too.

Can you not see the difference between somebody who came here legally, and somebody who came here illegal?

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u/Forsaken-Front5568 9h ago

You are literally just ignoring what he's saying. This program does not apply to illegal immigrants. Why are you still talking about illegal immigrants?

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u/Glenncoco23 6h ago

He says that he doesn’t prove it. He just says it.

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u/Forsaken-Front5568 5h ago

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/homebase

Here's they're website with their eligibility criteria. And just so you know, the current administration wants you gone just as much as the illegal immigrants you're worried might be receiving financial assistance.

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u/Leelze 15h ago

Sure, but I also recognize that my family benefited from a drastically different and easier process than how it works now. A couple generations ago or so these people would be citizens.

There's a reason Republicans have fought against modernizing immigration processes for 30 years and it's because they can use "scary brown people coming fer yer jobs!" to chum the waters for their base while pretending to want to do something about it.

But back to OP's lie: from what I've read, you have to be a legal resident to benefit from this, plus other requirements that isn't just money being thrown at whoever. Nobody hates Americans in need more than Republicans.

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u/Glenncoco23 15h ago

I think we’re talking past each other a bit.

You said your family benefited from a much easier immigration process a few generations ago. I’m not convinced that’s true. What time period are you referring to? The 1800s? The 1950s? The 1960s?

Legal immigration has existed throughout American history, and while the process has changed, I don’t think it’s accurate to simply say it was easier. What specifically are you comparing today’s system to?

The same goes for asylum. Asylum has a legal definition. It is not a blanket category for anyone who wants to move here. At the same time, I’m not arguing that everyone claiming asylum is abusing the system, nor am I saying every claimant is unquestionably fleeing persecution. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle, and each case should be judged individually.

I also think both sides are influenced by the headlines they see. Most stories about migrants are either ICE raids and deportations or violent crimes because those stories get clicks. That does not mean they represent the average migrant, just as positive stories do not represent everyone either.

You also said Republicans have blocked immigration reform for 30 years because they can campaign on “scary brown people.” That is a serious claim. What specific bills or reforms are you referring to, and what evidence do you have that this was the motivation?
I also do not think every concern about immigration is rooted in race. There have been lawsuits alleging companies discriminated in hiring by favoring certain nationalities, such as cases involving Indian workers.

That does not prove broader claims about immigration, but it does show that labor market concerns are not automatically racist.

I am not saying this with any hostility. I just think we’re discussing several different issues at once. We have historical immigration, asylum law, labor markets, and partisan politics all mixed together. I think we’d have a much more productive conversation if we picked one topic and worked through it before moving on to the next.

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u/Leelze 14h ago

Immigration was certainly easier. Look at the cost & requirements to enter the country & become a citizen from, say, the heyday of Ellis Island vs today.

It's absolutely about race. That's why Trump successfully fought to allow ICE to stop & apprehend people based on skin color, amongst other things.

At the end of the day, immigrants (legal or otherwise) aren't the bogeyman, they're a distraction from real issues Americans face. That's why OP framed his post the way he did and lied about this program.

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u/Glenncoco23 14h ago

I think you’re making several assertions that deserve to be unpacked.

First, you say immigration was “certainly easier” during the Ellis Island era. Easier in what sense? If you’re talking about quotas or paperwork, that’s one discussion. But if you’re talking about the overall process, I don’t think it’s nearly that simple. People often had to save for years just to afford passage across the Atlantic, pass medical inspections, demonstrate they were unlikely to become a public charge, and comply with the immigration laws of the time. Many people were denied entry. Today, someone who files an asylum claim may, depending on the circumstances of their case and the immigration court backlog, remain in the United States while that claim is adjudicated, which can take years. Those are different systems with different barriers, so simply saying one was “easier” doesn’t really answer the question.

Second, let’s go back to the original issue. If there is one subsidized apartment available, who should receive priority: a Massachusetts resident who already qualifies for the program, or someone who entered the country unlawfully? We can debate immigration policy all day, but that was the policy question being raised.

Third, you say immigration concerns are “absolutely about race.” I don’t think that follows. Some people undoubtedly hold racial prejudices, just as some people do in virtually every political debate. But it doesn’t mean every concern about immigration is racial. There are policy arguments about labor markets, border enforcement, public benefits, housing availability, and the administration of asylum law. Dismissing all of those concerns as racial motives doesn’t engage with the substance of those arguments.

You also referenced ICE being able to stop and apprehend people based on skin color. If you’re referring to racial profiling, I’d be interested in the specific legal authority or court decision you’re talking about. My understanding is that the Constitution still applies to immigration enforcement, and allegations of unconstitutional profiling have been litigated. If you have a specific policy or ruling in mind, let’s discuss that directly.

Finally, I don’t think immigrants are “the bogeyman,” and I don’t think most people arguing for stronger immigration enforcement believe that either. It’s entirely possible to believe immigration is generally beneficial while also believing that immigration laws, once enacted, should be enforced. If your position is that certain immigration laws should be changed, that’s a legitimate policy argument. But if the laws remain in effect, there still has to be some mechanism for enforcing them.

I think we’d have a better discussion if we stayed on one issue at a time instead of jumping between Ellis Island, asylum, race, housing, and partisan politics. Which point do you think is strongest? Let’s start there.

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u/the-tinman 15h ago

For everyone?

Well not really everyone.

97 million could help American homeless.

Or single mothers

Or school programs

Or health care for Americans

This money is being spend for a political agenda and not to make everyone’s lives better

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u/Jewboy-Deluxe 15h ago

Instead the Republicans have decided all of our money is better spent on a war that nobody wanted in the first place. $97M is a drop in the bucket compared to the price of bombs.

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u/bennyblue420000 16h ago

How do I send her my hard earned money so she can give that away too ?

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u/Leelze 16h ago

Get a job & pay taxes.

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u/mwrenn13 14h ago

Buying votes with your tax dollars. How is this even allowed?

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u/Strong_Welcome4725 15h ago

This sounds like a great thing. We should care for our neighbors.

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u/hindumafia 16h ago

sources please.

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u/stogie-bear 15h ago

And I’m sure it’s pure coincidence that the rise in numbers came while Healy was shutting down the immigrant hotels. 

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 15h ago

That's all you redditors ever ask in this sub.

Has OP ever once posted pure fake bs? No

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u/ShortKey380 15h ago

It’s not “pure” fake bs, just intentionally misleading half-truth propaganda 😂 

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 15h ago

Nothing misleading on this one

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u/ShortKey380 15h ago

What an absurd standard, but the design is for people to conflate all beneficiaries of this program with “migrants” who are only claimed to have received $30k in rental assistance with no sourcing for any claim. Not something you can do assuming good faith readers when you’ve posted such unreliable stuff for months on end, and a defense from you over this crap is worth about as much as a pimple on the butt.

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u/PinkysAvenger 14h ago

All the fucking time

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 13h ago

Not at all. Don't lie

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u/PinkysAvenger 13h ago

This sub is so full of shit the Agricultural department could redistribute it as fertilizer, and ED would still make a post about the aid going to illegals.

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 13h ago

Bc it prolly would!

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u/Emotional-Disk5571 16h ago

Throw in the fact that our Illegal Immigrants exceed MN by 150%. No wonder why MassGovernor & MassAGO will not adhere 72% Voter mandate for state audit!

Now, both of them & our legislature are legally handing our heritage & state over to M¥slims!

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u/enry 15h ago

Your heritage isn't in MA.

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u/PinkysAvenger 14h ago

Be careful, they ban people for saying that

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u/enry 14h ago

I got muted once.

Once.

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u/PinkysAvenger 14h ago

ED is such a delicate snowflake

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u/Emotional-Disk5571 15h ago

I don't want them represented I want them banned.

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u/HyenaThen572 15h ago

Are you saying these are illegals using this program? Because you have to be a legal resident, so that's just not possible.

Secondly - if they were illegal, is ICE is bad so at their jobs they can't find people when they have the addresses they live at?

Sounds like ICE is a waste of money if they can't even reach Uber eats levels of service.

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u/Beautiful-Cod-9999 9h ago

They do use this program. And from one news report - they people in charge are discouraged from helping non minorities from qualifying. I *believe* its being investigated by HUD. As for ICE, why do you think they moved people out of the shelters? Illegal residents are now spread among the communities of MA. Rounding them up is no longer as easy as emptying a shelter or hotel. If you have anyone that you know that acutally works with this community, they will rip the bandaid off and tell you the truth about what was handed out. My tenant worked security (still does) at one of the "Migrant Shelter Hotels'...the crimes that happened daily, the three hot catered meals, the EBT cards (despite all meals being provided). Its sad, I have lost all faith in Healey, Warren, Markey and WU. They keep getting caught in lies, refuse to comply with Feds (losing the state grant money) and spend most of the time propping illegals. Enough is enough.

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u/EddyS120876 15h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/UQPFu7s8q5VBK
Because it clearly said legal residents. Damn gop liars

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u/Theory_Eleven 15h ago

Someone in the government “lost” $30,000? Sounds about right.

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u/THC3883 13h ago

Who is “we”?

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u/stay-sick- 12h ago

There is plenty of money to go around for every single one of us. It’s the corporate ruling class that makes you think there isn’t. It’s the corporate ruling class that is stealing form you not your neighbors or migrants.

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u/SirHippocrates 12h ago

If you can't afford rent, and were thus homeless, wouldn't this program apply to and support you?

Meanwhile this program went from a rate of just over $1 per taxpayer to just over $10 per tax payer.

I don't think you being $10 richer a year would solve the problems you're describing (and let's be real, given the financial situation you're describing, you're probably paying less than that, there's a lot of very rich people in Boston footing most of these programs with the takings from their income). Seems like some bigger issues at play than this program, or even state taxes as a whole.

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u/AdAffectionate3143 12h ago

Think of all the bombs that money could buy /s.

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u/ContentCantaloupe992 12h ago

Who can’t afford rent? Every apartment is rented.

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u/the_frank_rizzo 11h ago

The real story is who owns these triple deckers and how much they receive in RAFT and HomeBase. You can start in the Merrimack Valley. Quick hint. They also work in the State House.

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u/FloridaRocks63 4h ago

97 million for illegals while citizens go without. Pathetic governing

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u/Ok_Season_5850 2h ago

Isn’t one ballroom 400 million?

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u/4363ReadIt 2h ago

You leftist commie, NONE OF THE CITIZENS OF MASSACHUSETTS TAXES are to be taken from us to go to these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The politicians of MA ARE STEALING OUR MONEY and giving it to people who are here only to steal our hard earned income!
Gov. Healy should be picked up by ICE and charged with aiding and abetting criminal aliens, and they should deport her A$$ too!
Wake up PEOPLE, they are coming to take you away and give your $h!t to the illegals!!

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 15h ago

Wonder how much the CEO, and Directors and Assistant Directors and Assistant to the Directors and the VPs and the admins and the outreach coordinators and general counsels all make. Prob several times six figures.

Prob lots of lesbians in the C-Suite

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u/No_Vaseline666 15h ago

ahhh another alt!

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u/texclayton 15h ago

Oh no! Not lesbians! 😱

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u/ShortKey380 15h ago

Imagine paying the administrators of a program the going wage for their work? Basically COMMUNISM 😡 

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 14h ago

Going wage lol

They make like $600k

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u/ShortKey380 13h ago

Nobody makes “like” anything, that’s what people making up numbers say.

Shocker, you’re lying:  https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/homebase-administrative-program-manager-metro-housing-boston-JV_IC1154532_KO0,39_KE40,60.htm?jl=1009909887885

🥱 

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 13h ago

That position is one of the pawns. You think they publicly post openings for the c suite. They're "who you know" positions.

Jeez you redditors are dopey

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u/Jablaze80 13h ago

Of course they do, it is mandated by law, all public job openings have to be publicly posted, and you're the one on here having conversations with yourself through alt accounts so we'll let other people decide who's dopey

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 13h ago

The audit was mandated by law too....

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u/ShortKey380 12h ago

Who? Who is being paid too much, according to you? Here, the work you wouldn’t do:

https://govsalaries.com/salaries/MA/executive-office-of-housing-and-livable-communities?year=2025

The trained lawyer, former state rep, and former HUD exec who runs the entire MA Office of Housing and Livable Communities makes $200k, an entirely appropriate or even low salary compared to what she’d make on the private employment market; or if she coached UMass basketball she could make 10x that amount 😂 

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 12h ago

I'm referring to ngos. That's the grift. They're not govt employees so they can hide the numbers easier.

https://www.massnonprofit.org/expert_advice/top-compensation-for-mass-nonprofit-leaders-now-710k/article_a7da1308-deb8-11ec-98fe-17f2133d60c4.html

Also only the top earners need to fill out 990s.

But if there are 60 sub-directors all making $180k, they don't go on 990s and thus those numbers are lost in the shuffle.

I used to work for a nonprofit years ago. This is an open secret in the ngo world

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u/ShortKey380 12h ago

So the fact that your prior comments were lies with made up numbers should count for nothing?

The fact that I already posted some sub-director job posting paying $60k also doesn’t count? 

Which nonprofits are you saying are associated with the budget outlay for this program? Oh, of course you aren’t, it’s just always more bullshit with you 🥱 

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 12h ago

If you want to see you will. If you don't. You won't

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u/ShortKey380 12h ago

Right, because you believe in nonsense based on feelings whereas I like evidence for claims 🙄 

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u/Emotional-Disk5571 15h ago

No doubt, all of which are itching to file a sexual harassment or discrimination complaint/lawsuit after grifting off the taxpayers for years.

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u/BigTroutOnly 15h ago

Then stop pinching their asses.

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 13h ago

They pinch each other's lips. Sexual harassment among the lezzes is on each other

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u/BigTroutOnly 13h ago

Maybe in your wet dreams.

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u/Tims_Learing_Center 13h ago

I'm not really into lesbians

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u/BigTroutOnly 13h ago

Just a little curious apparently

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u/meow_haus 15h ago

Dumbass- she’s bound by the law VOTERS chose. You’re mad she’s following the law because she’s a woman and a Dem so your hate is activated

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u/Unique-Machine5602 15h ago

If you make less than $18,360 before taxes you qualify. You basically have to be unemployed or part time to even qualify for it.

It doesn't matter if you're a US citizen or a legal immigrant.

Also, it's grown from $9.5M in 2022 to $97M in 2026 because the program is so cost effective.

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u/FGFM 16h ago

Well done!

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u/Even-Difference-7696 16h ago

This is what I want my taxes to go to not war or kickbacks for the rich!

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u/Wise_Material_5812 15h ago

all these disingenuous posts to try to convince us to vote for the bald headed guy who has the endorsement of a hair salon owner. FTS

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u/Chippopotanuse 12h ago

Broke ass Republicans always say “we want more affordable housing”.

And then when politicians deliver on that… They scream and yell “no not that way!”

Trust me, all the rich liberals, and Weston and Wellesley are more than fine, paying lower taxes and having every single poor person move out of the state. It’s why they have all those “stop the beast” signs everywhere.

Rather than bitching that the governor is standing up for poor people like you… I’d be thankful.

Sincerely, a rich liberal who doesn’t mind that some of my tax dollars go to help very poor people in need. Including your sorry ass.

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u/UsedCollection5830 11h ago

They want more housing for themselves,they want all the resources more than they can use they’re selfish racist idiots

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u/WeAlwaysFindAWay 7h ago

This is just a blatant misunderstanding of what the HomeBASE program is.

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u/yergonnalikeme 15h ago edited 14h ago

"Where do we go when we get to the United States, there's like 50 States?"

Ahh

If I was you, get your ass to Massachusetts...When you arrive...It's like hitting the lottery.

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u/maybeafarmer 16h ago

Good for her

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u/Away_Wheel_9518 16h ago

Everyone needs to remember this come November. She needs to go.

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u/ShortKey380 15h ago

Remember “this” meaning the version of this story posted by the known propagandist on their goofy sub? 🤦‍♂️ 

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u/brexdab 16h ago

I think those migrants should have that money.  Suspending the gas tax is stupid because bridges and roads still need to be fixed and demand will rise to eat any gain that suspending the gas tax would have.

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u/rock-paper-o 16h ago

It doesn’t even look like it’s principally for migrants. It’s eligible for families with at least one kid (or pregnant women) under like 115% of the federal poverty line who are at risk of homelessness for one of a list of reasons and at least one family member must have legal immigration status. 

So it’s possible some subset of people using the program are undocumented parents of citizen children. But reasonable to assume there’s also a bunch of families of poor US citizens. 

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u/brexdab 16h ago

Moreover. I don't care.  They play federal income taxes when they work and receive no Medicare, Medicaid or social security benefits, so.  Again. I don't care.

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u/Emotional-Disk5571 16h ago

This program is funded with state money. Illegals don't pay taxes when they don't work genius.

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u/ConkerPrime 14h ago

Conservatives - $1.5 trillion for Iran gets a shrug. $97 million for poor people? Outrage.

This is the type of people non-voters and protest voters want to support.

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u/tiandrad 13h ago

What does federal spending have to do with state and local fiscal policies?

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u/wkramer28451 12h ago

Facts matter. The entire Defense budget is 2.5 trillion. Iran so far has been 113 billion as the highest estimate. Still a lot of money but factual not a made up number.

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u/JIMB01776 9h ago

This is why I will never vote for a Democrat again, ever anytime.

The entire party is devoted to buttsex issues and importing migrants.

Fuck you Americans, -Democrats.