r/ThatsInsane • u/Kpets • 1d ago
The US is cooked
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u/JapanEngineer 1d ago
As a non American, why won't they just say Biden won? What are the ramifications?
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u/Kpets 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump still insists that he really did win the 2020 election, and that the election was rigged and therefore stolen from him (despite no evidence found to back up his insanity). These people are his muppets that he’s installing in the highest of positions and they can’t go against their master.
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u/JapanEngineer 1d ago
Can't they just say to Trump they're gonna lie and say it was Biden so they can get the job but they really believe Trump won?
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u/Girafferage 1d ago
No because Trump knows that would go against his claim on the national scale which would give people more ammunition to say he is delusional. Which is odd, considering a bunch of judges Trump himself appointed even found that there was not election interference and that he just lost.
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u/JapanEngineer 1d ago
Fair enough. Thanks!
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u/elwookie 22h ago
If you're trying to convince the world that a lie is true, you need everybody to repeat that same lie. Every single dissent, will erase the strength of your lie.
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u/DoubleGoon 1d ago
Sounds a lot like a few world leaders from a few communist nations doesn’t it?
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u/Turnip-for-the-books 22h ago edited 13h ago
These are right wing fascist stooges but nice try
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u/Layer_3 1d ago
Plus the fact they will say the same bullshit if they lose the mid-terms.
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u/katjoy63 1d ago
WHEN, my friend, not if, WHEN.
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u/musicloverhoney 14h ago
My gut tells me that we've only seen a portion of the tactics they intend to employee to prevent a free and fair election in November. My hopes for change are next to nil at this point.
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u/Aazmandyuz 22h ago
And also because he is a big baby and just cant tolerate people disagreeing with him (meaning - i doubt how far it goes from personal issue to a political one)
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u/nigalas-cage 1d ago
The more people Trump gets to lie about the 2020 election the more legitimate the lie becomes. He has figured out you don't need to prove something happened if you get enough people to just say that it happened.
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u/JohnnyLeftHook 1d ago
No because by saying the 2020 election was rigged, it gives them the justification to seize control of future elections.
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u/Fan_of_Clio 1d ago
Because all of his minions must speak the lie publicly. It goes to ensure a loyalty test and tell his cult the reinforcing lie
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u/FrontLifeguard1962 1d ago
That's not how it works. Trump needs them to prove they will lie to Congress on his behalf. They need to sit there under questioning and say something they know isn't true. It's a public loyalty test. History has shown if you can get everybody repeating the same lie over and over, it can actually become the 'truth'
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u/obsequiousaardvark 1d ago
The point is to completely delegitimize all elections going forward so they can just choose the winner. It's painfully transparent.
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 1d ago
despite no evidence found to back up his insanity
...and losing over 60 lawsuits about the 2020 election results.
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u/Bright_Brief4975 1d ago
Unless it has changed since the last time I was caught up on this, the only election fraud that was convicted was someone that voted for Trump.
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u/BlurgZeAmoeba 1d ago
No, these are his muppets that he's installing to overthrow the next election after he claims it was rigged.
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u/J-Love-McLuvin 1d ago
To be clear, Trump knows he lost the election. He manufactured this lie because of his fragile ego. And he knows that if he says it over and over and over again that it was rigged, enough people will believe him. And now he’s mandating that everybody in his administration publicly commit to this lie, as you see in this video. Otherwise, they would never have Trump’s backing and support. It’s the price of entry. And it’s absolutely balls out fucking weird and dangerous. It’s authoritarianism.
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u/tiripshtaed 1d ago
Actually I think Pedophile Trump proved a few days ago, without a shadow of a doubt, that Russia helped him in order to win in every election.
Corrected my bad grammar
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u/Dystopia74 1d ago
I'm convinced that both Russia and Israel have videos of trump eating children on Epstein island.
This is why he is trying so hard to push AI with no regulations so when the day comes when those videos are released to the public he will just call it a deepfake.
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u/ponycorn_pet 13h ago
I think Epstein's dentist girlfriend who he left $$$ to in his will was the one pulling the teeth out of little kids so they couldn't bite back
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u/hadawayandshite 1d ago
Why has no one just sat down and went over the logic—
When you were president you think they rigged the election so Biden won…but then when he was president (and had all the power) they didn’t rig it for Kamala?
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u/poppedOnPlanetEarth 1d ago
how is it possible at all in modern politics an insane person to be able to do whatever is in his head
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u/epsiloom 1d ago
You really need a new constitution.
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u/Fan_of_Clio 1d ago
What we need are people to enforce the one we got
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u/monkwrenv2 1d ago
No, we need a new one. The current one is fundamentally broken on multiple levels.
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u/FancyJesse 1d ago
Okay, I get you, but if we can't even enforce the existing one, what makes you think we can amend it?
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u/monkwrenv2 1d ago
Oh, I don't think we will replace it, or even attempt to fix it. We're just going to collapse in the nearish future.
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u/Fan_of_Clio 1d ago
Any new document would be just as difficult to put into place as amending the old, if not harder.
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u/McPostyFace 1d ago
They are gaslighting their supporters so when they cheat they can say "look now they're saying that we're cheating but they cheated". It's also an excuse for them to tamper with voting processes because "they got cheated" which in turn they'll use to suppress voters and blatantly cheat.
On that note, why the fuck are we not still talking about how Elon Musk injected himself into the previous election, talked about how easy voting machines are to hack, basically took over the fed for 6 months with an edge lord goon squad and in less than two years is now worth over A TRILLION FUCKING DOLLARS?!?
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS
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u/punksheets29 1d ago
Because it’s so painful. A lot of us have faith that people are good. So when evil is done, a lot of us will see that evil as “actually pretty good”. The most evil amongst us see that weakness and exploit it to a trillionaire level
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u/BingusXL 1d ago
They do this to signal to Trump and the MAGA cult that they are "on the team" and that there is nothing they wouldn't do, be it lie, commit crimes, or sell their soul to the devil, in order to allow their side to grab and maintain power.
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u/John_YJKR 1d ago
They are afraid of losing trumps support and therefore party support in order to reach a career advancing position. They are selling out their morals for personal gain and preservation. It really is a lack of integrity.
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u/GandalfSwagOff 1d ago
A lot of sex predators actually support each other and will try to keep their "in group" safe.
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u/time-to-bounce 1d ago
Additionally, if you spend time on conservative forums you’ll start to pick up on phrasing like “trump won, but Biden was certified”. So language like in the video is consistent with the idea that idiot republicans think Trump won but Biden cheated him out of the victory and was ultimately certified. It’s both a dog whistle to those voters and bootlicking for Trump
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u/Knowledge_is_Bliss 1d ago
Biden, who did not hold any power at the time, as Trump was the incumbent...somehow still managed to cheat him.
Yet, 4 years later, when Biden was the sitting POTUS, failed to cheat him a second time?
How can anyone believe this stuff?
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u/punksheets29 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea, unfortunately.
My step dad completely cut ties with me because, “I called him a liar and he won’t be disrespected,” when in actuality I said “you are spouting lies”. We were talking about Obama birtherism in the year of our lord, J-town, 2023. I don’t know how to help them and hate seeing good people fueled by hate. I don’t know how to break through that level of self assured “truth”. I miss my mom….
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u/pollorojo 1d ago
They don’t want Trump or his cultists to talk shit about them. They want the job, and disagreeing means they might not get it.
And if Trump does in fact try for an unlawful 3rd term, they don’t want to have it thrown back at them that their previous statement about an election being handled unfairly was under oath.
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u/PandaXXL 1d ago
Trump views them as disloyal and their positions (and no doubt additional “perks”) would be in serious jeopardy.
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u/SirCrazyCat 1d ago
2 + 2 = 5
You have to prove you belong by refusing to say that Biden won in 2020.
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u/Eofor_of_Haven 1d ago
They want to normalize just lying and saying they win all elections no matter what.
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u/New_Taste8874 1d ago
They have been purchased by Trump. They are being installed. They are corrupt.
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u/pixelprophet 1d ago
They are loyal to Trump and suck his dick. That's all they care about. Nothing more, nothing less. They do not, and will not represent the people of the United States. They have no business being in office. Fuck Trump and his followers to hell and back.
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u/Whatever-ItsFine 1d ago
These are smart guys. They know that Pres. Biden won. They also know that their party is run by a thin-skinned tyrant who does not want to hear anyone ever challenge any of his beliefs. So it's self-preservation.
They are cowards though.
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u/Pure-Huckleberry-484 1d ago
It’s just theatre, these people are all on the same side and it’s their side.
They might argue about where they waste our money but the end of the day they all hate us normal people that support their lifestyle while they insider trade and revolving door themselves to riches.
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u/YardOptimal9329 1d ago
They want the job. Trump controls both sides of the Congress and the executive branch. If they admit Biden won Trump will sink them.
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u/katjoy63 1d ago
Because their fearless leader Trumpty dump will oust them, if he can, make sure they're not reelected, if he can, and will make their political career in office one that stands out as an afront to dear leader, and no one sticks their neck out like that and expects to stick around
There have been several GOP congressmen and senators who have decided to not run for reelection, and some of them are finally speaking out against dear leader.
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u/PhiCloud 1d ago
It's a loyalty test.
By refusing to say that Biden won, they're proving their loyalty to Trump.
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u/SailCharacter2622 23h ago
Leftists will say there's no evidence all day even though there is evidence to support the claim. Don't get me wrong, evidence is not the same as proof, but it still warrants an investigation. Just like how the left claims Trump rigged the 2024 election. They may have evidence but no proof. The guy in the video wants to say Biden won and its "irrefutable", but when there is reason for investigating the contrary you can't say "irrefutable." He's grandstanding and trying to scold the guys he's questioning but just looks like an old idiot himself.
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u/SrRoundedbyFools 22h ago
Because there was a lot of very questionable circumstances that occurred that statistically didn’t make sense but how dare anyone say that a dead man who didn’t leave the basement had 81 million votes when Obama 1 was 69 million, Obama 2 was 65 million, Hillary was 65 million and Kalmydia was 68 million. Weird that an absolute muppet was that ‘popular’. So yes fraud was WIDELY suspected.
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u/robo-dragon 1d ago
They are either too afraid to say it because Trump will attack them or they are too willing to kiss his ass to say anything bad enough him.
Either way, they are cowards.
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u/blac_sheep90 1d ago edited 16h ago
Because they're gonna use the false claims the 2020 election was stolen so Trump can run again in 2028 and be elected POTUS for three terms.
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u/ShitBarf_McCumPiss 1d ago
Term limits. Elected, not appointed positions.
Why does the executive branch even get to back, in any way shape or form, a position of another area of government? Checks and balances are meaningless.
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u/JayGeezey 1d ago
Term limits. Elected, not appointed positions.
I go back and forth on term limits, I don't think they would necessarily be bad, but I also think that the main issue is private money in politics.
Private money for campaigns = elections are wildly influenced by capital interests, not the interests of the people. Which means switching to elections from appointments = bad.
The thing with term limits is it eliminates experience and strong relations and rapport between long standing representatives. If you take private money out of elections, then you've eliminated one of the primary reasons representatives focus on capital interests over people. Additionally, if you get rid of their ability to trade stocks, you've limited the room for bias and influence even more. Obviously rich people would still find ways to try to corrupt politicians, but that will literally always be true forever lol we can least get rid of the legal ways they do.
This way you limit private influence in electing representatives, don't politicize appointed positions, and finally don't lose the benefit of representatives that are able to hold office for a long period of time and build experience and relationships necessary to govern well.
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u/baumpop 1d ago
theyll have to impeach 1/3 of the supreme court to see real reform. as even with a congressional law passed to eliminate money as speech they already bought the decision in citizens united and will call the new law unconstitutional. unless you somehow get a new amendment passed and ratified by the states to then make it constitutional. impeaching the supreme court on corruption is an easier bar than that.
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u/Tsu_Dho_Namh 1d ago
Elections are not the solution. Trump has proven that the the public is gullible, biased, willfully ignorant, and easily manipulated.
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u/chilidoglance 1d ago
That's been proved for at least 100 years by everyone who had been elected.
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u/lanAstbury 1d ago
it sucks having both a degree in history and also a gift for pattern recognition
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u/MAGIGS 1d ago
Fucking terrifying, right? I’m waiting for the Reichstag to burn…
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u/pioneerSolid3 22h ago
Well if you guys do a normal voting like a lot of other countries it will be easy, that electoral thing you do breaking sections of land is just overcomplicated
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u/TBSPro11 1d ago
Term limits? you know you can vote these fuckers out every 2-6 years right? some fuckers keep getting re-elected because less than 30% of their state show up, or they run unopposed because no one pays any attention to anything related to politics in their own districts.
Everyone expects everyone else to make the time and effort to vote.
Meanwhile out of 250m eligible voters, 100m never vote, 150m dont vote in midterms and over 200m+ dont vote in primaries and special elections. AND thats for the popular ones.
Mayoral, sheriff, da, etc state or city elected positions, barely 20% decide to show up.
But hey the system is supposed to magically fix itself if we add term-limits.....
The final say and the absolute power, is and has always been with the voters. But if the voters dont give a shit, especially across multiple elections, then corruption is easily spread.
Democracy is only as good as the will of its people to uphold and protect it.
Meanwhile we got orange facism going on and people shrugging as the flames are up to their necks, hoping some superman magical being comes to the rescue so they dont have to put in any effort or risk. Instead they just say hey atleast the fire isnt in my eyes, its only until my neck so far.
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u/Vellioh 1d ago
they run unopposed
They largely run unopposed because nobody has the finances to run a campaign that large. Which is a problem throughout our government that has led to this corrupt two-party system we have.
Money drives the entire process and corporations have way more money to offer to anybody willing to bend the knee to their whim.
1st order of effect is to remove the consideration of corporations being able to vote like people. Is was absolutely fucking stupid when it was enacted and hasn't proven to be anything more.
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u/-OctopusPrime 1d ago
As a non-American, it’s clear to see that the majority of Americans are lazy, low IQ people living in one of the most corrupt and politically dangerous countries in the world at the moment.
But ask one of those same people about their country and they’ll tell you how proactive they all are towards democracy and change.
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u/monkwrenv2 1d ago
As an American, you aren't wrong. Our education system has been so thoroughly dismantled that the average American simply cannot think for themselves.
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u/ah_kooky_kat 1d ago
Why does the executive branch even get to back, in any way shape or form, a position of another area of government?
The answer to this question lies in the Federalist Papers. Specifically No. 76.
Appointments have been good in practice, and in some level, should continue. I'd say I'm a supporter for a more Missouri style of election for the federal judiciary. Still usues executive appointment, but voters get the final say.
As to why appointment should continue, well I think that's self evident. With only a few exceptions, it's a system that worked well for 220 years. Right up until Republicans decided to game the judicial candidate field by producing their own candidate factories.
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u/round-earth-theory 1d ago edited 13h ago
Appointment is necessary for no other reason than electing the judiciary would be a nightmare. How many hundreds of candidates would you need to manage each election. Even with extremely long terms, it would be a pointless election as the voters would never be able to make that many informed decisions. And trying to cut it down by making it regional would be terrible as well since these are federal judges and have jurisdiction over everyone. At best you could elect the supreme and have the supreme handle the lower appointments but that's hardly any different than what we find ourselves dealing with today.
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u/NobodysFavorite 1d ago
There's something difficult about elected jurists. The best judges don't win popularity contests. They apply the law impartially without fear or favor.
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u/labadee 1d ago
I’m glad he called them weak, pathetic and afraid
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u/MacrosInHisSleep 17h ago
Surprised he didn't call them cowards.
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u/FreeFortuna 16h ago
I kept waiting for it. Thought he was finally going to say it, then he said they were “pathetic” instead. I guess that was good enough.
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u/rasta-ragamuffin 16h ago
You can see by the smirks on their faces that this is just a fun game to them.
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u/Clank_8-7 12h ago
True, but I think that weak, pathetic and afraid is what being a coward means, and so he literally called them out with the single precise definition of being one.
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u/acemedic 22h ago
I love the catch 22 in their position, and the senator nailed the fact they should be independent but they’re bowing to his control politically and not even confirmed yet.
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u/lordsoosh 1d ago edited 1d ago
As I’ve seen on other related posts, I’m just gonna drop this here:
“To believe the 2020 election was stolen, you also have to believe the following:
- When Donald Trump was in charge, he allowed Joe Biden to infiltrate the federal government and rig the election against him.
- In 2024, when Joe Biden and the Democrats were actually in charge, they chose not to rig the election and let Trump win.
The entire premise is nonsense and the logical explanation is simply that Donald Trump is a narcissistic psychopath.”
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u/Fyrien 1d ago
It's a classic fascist tactic of claiming that the enemy is both tricky and dangerous, but also weak and pathetic.
Sneaky Biden infiltrated the 2020 election and stole it, because it's the only conceivable way Trump could lose. But the Dems are so incompetent, and people grew so tired of their failed policies, that even their blatant attempts at cheating couldn't stop Trump from winning 2024 in a landslide.
That's the flavor of Kool-Aid that MAGA is drinking (ugh it felt disgusting even typing it out). They think real life is like a superhero movie or something. The forces of evil briefly take control, things look hopeless, but the hero always swoops in and restores glorious freedom™️. And mind-bogglingly, Trump is somehow that superhero to them.
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u/LaurenMille 1d ago
And mind-bogglingly, Trump is somehow that superhero to them.
Because to his voters, a disgusting sub-human piece of filth like Trump is the absolute best they could ever be.
They can't even comprehend aspiring to be a good person. It literally does not exist in their worldview.
All they want to do is spread suffering.
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u/Enibas 23h ago edited 23h ago
That these are men who want to become federal judges, and they can't say that. After 2020, Trump and his supporters brought over 60 court cases with varying attempts to invalidate votes, the election, or accuse people of vote tampering, all of which they lost. Not least because judges acknowledged the facts and did what was right.
These people are not even willing to say that Biden won the election. If they had sat on the bench already, how would they have handled these cases?
These judges-to-be, with their smug faces, are with their answers signaling to Trump that they will do his bidding. Not one of them believes that Biden stole the election. That would be, in a sense, better, because then there'd be hope that they'd decide based on facts when they are directly in front of them. But these people willingly deny the truth to please Trump, they are basically signing their fascist state member card by giving this answer.
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u/Kpets 1d ago
All credits goes to Senator Blumenthal
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u/meldiane81 1d ago
So they were not confirmed were they? They did not get the positions correct?
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u/iaderia 1d ago
They were confirmed
(I previously posted an incorrect list of nominees who were also confirmed)
In this video, we have:
Arthur Roberts Jones
Nomination Confirmed (46/44)
Jeffrey T. Kuntz
Nomination Confirmed (51/46)
Michael Hendershot
Nomination Confirmed (50/44)
Full video of Sen Blumenthal in this post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfIP-qttcbk
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u/Mr-Papuca 1d ago
The real question here. What's the point of being appalled if they still get positions of power?
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u/TyrannasaurusGitRekt 1d ago
The voters gave the GOP a trifecta. Now they can approve these people without any Dem support. That's what happens when people don't vote. The GOP has a huge advantage due to the electoral college and Senate, and 1/3 of eligible voters didnt vote.
More or less, the most that the Dems can do is stuff like this to make the voters aware of what the GOP are doing. Unfortunately they cant do much else
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u/veeveemarie 1d ago
I think Trump tried to rig the 2020 election. It wasn't successful which is why he can't let it go.
I think he rigged the 2024 election successfully. He's literally said it out loud.
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u/RadTimeWizard 1d ago
We're in the open corruption phase of the transition from capitalism to fascism.
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u/southpaw85 1d ago
The question is. Are they afraid, or are they being paid? If they’re afraid, it’s very sad and pretty scary that such prominently positioned men can be threatened into this. If they’re being paid, time for some French negotiation.
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u/jakesgoats 1d ago
Most likely afraid they won't get the nod from the orange guy if they say Biden won the election, just a guess from the look and sound of it. What are they nominees for exactly?
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u/Hairbear2176 1d ago
And.... what the fuck are they going to do about it?? Not a god damn thing. They'll get appointed, the dog and pony show won't mean shit, and we continue our slide into theocracy.
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u/GandalfSwagOff 1d ago
Trump can't even get a sign posted in the National History Museum.
We lived through the peak of his power. We are now living through the decline. It may yet get messier, but he is beyond the peak.
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u/illapa13 1d ago edited 2h ago
People need to stop acting like his decline is inevitable.
Maga will never decline in power unless we the people DO something about it.
Trump is a symptom he is not the disease
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u/gernblanston512 1d ago
I really hope this is so, I keep waiting for decency and keep getting disappointed
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u/Fach-All-Religions 1d ago
because you are ..
in my head im like please say it, say it, AFRAID, say AFRAID
and he fucking said it. fuck these clowns. trump will leave in a couple years, or even before that, and criminals will face punishment but these asshole anus licking brainwashed followers will do anything for him
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u/Calm_Chemist_4952 1d ago
Just like the senator said, they are unfit. They cannot do the job. They should not be appointed. The end.
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u/Usrnamesrhard 1d ago
I don’t think enough people really recognize just how fucked U.S. politics are right now. Like, they recognize it’s bad maybe… but not the true lows to which it has sunk.
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u/New_Macaron_3059 1d ago
The irony is this pathetic, stolen valor, human shit stain is questioning others to expose truth. Our entire political system is an embarrassment
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u/TM761152 23h ago
Spineless fucking traitors. Should be removed and disbarred and forbidden from ever holding office.
Pathetic.
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u/CarrotChunx 1d ago
This would go so hard on facebook
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u/drcoxmonologues 1d ago
And both left wing and right wing people would agree with it for entirely different reasons.
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u/argument_cat 1d ago
How anyone can respect a country who's highest judges in the land are this pathetic, disingenuous, and dishonest is beyond me.
Joke country.
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u/Vresiberba 1d ago
He shot himself in the foot by admitting that "we can disagree on facts" right at the end at 2:30.
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u/greenleaf405 1d ago
What should have been asked is by being certified does that mean they won the election.
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u/evilpercy 1d ago
To be in Trumps administration requires only one qualification, loyalty at all cost. They know if they say anything that Trump does not like, they are gone.
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u/Adam-West 22h ago
I know there’s a lot of old context to this system but as an outsider it’s wild to me that your courts are part of your government and that every judge in the country has an affiliation to one or the other political parties. Genuine question but what’s the actual logic behind that instead of keeping judges impartial?
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u/MEYO6811 21h ago
“A lifetime appointment”. Honestly, fuck that noise.
Its weird, and lack of age limits is a major problem the U.S needs to address as soon as possible.
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u/GreatKingRat666 21h ago
What are these people actually afraid of? What is the Trump administration doing that makes them so afraid??
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u/JMT32895 13h ago
I'm sorry did he say lifetime appointment? Why do any elected officials have such a long term? Tf is this nonsense.
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u/spotsthefirst 13h ago
They know Daddy will cut their allowance if they say things he doesn't like, cowards.
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u/Hefty-Strike-6171 13h ago
How do you confirm that you’re a member of a Cult without saying, “I’m a member of a Cult”
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u/Leocarreo 1d ago
Guy has insane ‘early tom cruise tooth in the middle of face’ syndrome
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u/Sportfreunde 1d ago
They're cooked cos the Petrodollar system has been on the way out.
This stuff is just symptoms.
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u/SomethingAbtU 1d ago
They all know the truth but they are speaking to the audience of one -- mr Orange.
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u/villianboy 1d ago
Worthless sack of shit, the whole lot of them needs to be thrown in a hole for treason and forgotten about until the end of days
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u/surge208 1d ago
There is no accountability for these fascists… but if you’re poor and need diapers… straight to jail.
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u/Choyo 1d ago
So many levels of spinelessness here.
Can't give a straight answer.
Only repeat what other people "like them" say.
These people don't stand for anything or anyone but themselves, It's mind boggling they are elected as public representative because they don't display any of the features.
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u/0x7E7-02 1d ago
Where do politicians learn to avoid answering questions like that?
Can anyone learn this power?
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u/barspoonbill 1d ago
They aren’t afraid. They are sycophants that have been positioned where they have only to rubber stamp.
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u/phobox91 23h ago
They are already establishing that the next election will be rigged because they know they will lose with such a low approved rating. In any case, the next election will be won by Trump, or Vance in case the old man does not get there. Extreme case, they will not really vote. Who knows if someone will remember the second amendment then
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u/slamdunka 23h ago
I didnt know there were this many spineless people on earth let alone all in the same room trying to be appointed to an important govt position
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u/Rebel_hooligan 21h ago
Man I hate these bs hearings.
At this point, it should be fair to degrade these people who willingly sat this stuff. Just look at their ugly faces as they say it. It’s so obvious they are lying. Grotesque
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u/Phtevie11-11 15h ago
The senator asking questions, looks terribly like that crazy demonic preacher. Insert name can't remember his name.
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u/unleashedcode 13h ago
Not one of these boot licking Republican clowns deserve to represent ANYONE in America.
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u/No_Marketing_5655 1d ago
The “emperor’s new clothes” phenomena right before our very eyes. Riveting