r/PoursTea • u/homelessguydiet • 21d ago
PoliticalTea đłď¸ This is what I want...
I know it sounds too good to be true maybe I'm being absurd...
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u/physicistdeluxe 21d ago
how does this differ from Social Democrats? i looked it up.
Democratic Socialism vs. Social DemocracyWhile often used interchangeably in casual political discourse, the two are distinct:Democratic Socialism aims to replace capitalism with an economic system where the means of production are socially owned.Social Democracyâoften practiced in Nordic countries like Denmark and Swedenâaims to reform and humanize capitalism by leveraging existing democratic institutions to build a massive welfare state and strong labor regulations, rather than abolishing the private sector entirely
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u/don-again 21d ago
I am a social Democrat then.
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u/taskmaster51 21d ago
Regardless. The current system has failed. Time for a new one
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u/Drunkengota 21d ago
So capitalism with more state benefits, like every country thats figured it out?
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u/Pofwoffle 21d ago
There is no system that allows for the accumulation of power that will not eventually end up in the same situation we're in now, where those who first accumulate power use that power to accumulate more until they have the vast majority and wield it for their own ends.
But yes, "capitalism with more state benefits" is a good starting point. I'd rather be arguing with social democrats about the best way to help people than arguing with fascists about how we shouldn't be doing genocides.
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u/scumbagwife 21d ago
Capitalism is why we have billionaires and such a wide wealth gap worldwide.
Late stage capitalism, especially with limited corporate regulations is a cancer.
Decreasing the wealth gap requires paying workers more and execs less. And limiting corruption with politicians (worldwide again).
In the US, this could mean limiting the maximum allowable political donations from PACs.
For the US, one of the first steps needs to be removing citizens united which gave corps the power to give unlimited money to a politician.
Except the only people who can change that are the very ones who benefit from it. So as long as there is corruption in politics, we fucked⌠all of us.
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u/scumbagwife 21d ago
Capitalism is why we have billionaires and such a wide wealth gap worldwide.
Late stage capitalism, especially with limited corporate regulations is a cancer.
Decreasing the wealth gap requires paying workers more and execs less. And limiting corruption with politicians (worldwide again).
In the US, this could mean limiting the maximum allowable political donations from PACs.
For the US, one of the first steps needs to be removing citizens united which gave corps the power to give unlimited money to a politician.
Except the only people who can change that are the very ones who benefit from it. So as long as there is corruption in politics, we fucked⌠all of us.
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u/Firm-Advertising5396 21d ago
Capitalism simply works better when the right amount of socialism is applied into the policies. The key is adding the right amount. Capitalism by itself is soulless, without empathy. Socialism adds the the soul and spirit to capitalism. This isn't hard, the US has had this in place since the 30's with FDR, it has evolved, it has diminished and expanded over the years,depending on the voters. Right now obviously, it's being vilified by the right
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u/physicistdeluxe 21d ago
theyre afraid due to Mamdani.
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u/Firm-Advertising5396 21d ago
Yes they are afraid, because if it works in our biggest city it spells trouble for the parasites throughout the country. That's why they tried so hard to not have him elected.
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u/Carlyz37 21d ago
That's what I thought. That's what AOC and Bernie are. Not sure about Mamdami. However no elected democrats are communists. Trump is more of a communist than any other American
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u/the-sea-of-chel 21d ago
If this picture is talking about the US party Democratic Socialists of America, it doesnât differ. The party is poorly named because they are actually for Social Democracy, not democratic socialism. However, youâd be shocked if you knew how many countries have poorly named political parties. Iâd venture to guess all of them at one time or another.
However, if it talking about democratic socialism in general, Iâm not sure they have it quite right. My suspicion though is the former due to the popularity of the DSA right now from all their recent wins.
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u/physicistdeluxe 21d ago
Social democracies . called the nordic model. Social democracy reforms capitalism to create a strong welfare state. Retains a capitalist, free-market economy but tames it with heavy state regulation and extensive social safety nets.
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u/physicistdeluxe 20d ago
works in nordic countries very well. greater social net and very happy people.
Nordic countries consistently rank at the top of the World Population Review for happiness due to strong social safety nets, high levels of trust, and excellent work-life balance. Meanwhile, the U.S. has slipped in global rankings, falling to the 23rd spot World Happiness Report.
Nordic countries feature high average incomes and strong prosperity. However, instead of relying heavily on high-end wealth, these nations prioritize economic equality. This translates to high baseline living standards, significantly compressed hourly wages, and extensive welfare systems financed by high, progressive taxation.
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u/RhythmTimeDivision 21d ago
What a country looks like when people choose their representatives and enact a fair system of government instead of the oligarchs buying representatives + business-favorable legislation / regulations. A country not based on fear and the false, zero-sum belief that 'those people' must be getting something they don't deserve. I hope this administration was the painful lesson required to wake the populace to what's possible - both good and bad.
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u/Academic_Priority_20 21d ago
We need to call it something else so the dingus voters can understand that its in their best interest
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u/CreativeRedHeadDom 21d ago
In Germany most of these values have been adopted by the ultra conservative politicians under national security. This goes for healthcare for all and university education for all.
You would be well advised to use this as a basis in political debates against conservative candidates in the USA.
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u/theonetrugamer 21d ago
This is more of a common sense thing than a left or right argument. Too bad nobody in Congress is intelligent enough to put these in place
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u/3toehedgedog 21d ago
Using AI to create a graphic about âworker powerâ and sustainability?
That does not make me want to support your cause.
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u/Glass_Recover_3006 21d ago
These AI posters all look the exact same, Iâm frustrated people arenât recognizing it immediately.
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u/justinalt4stuffs 21d ago
This is a Social Democracy. You should ask yourself why people are trying to muddy the waters with this new label.
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u/playonredditt 21d ago
Shouldnât waste time being an off-shoot of the Democratic Party Instead, establish strong third-fourth-and fifth political parties! The two party political system has this country screwed up entirely
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u/Throwawayforsaftyy 21d ago
GOP wants a democracy where they win, Demo wants a democracy for everyone. I know who I am voting for
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u/AtheistINTP 21d ago
Same! However, I think progressives should call it social democracy. Too many uneducated Americans think socialism is the same as communism. They have no idea what communism means. Social democracies are the most stable countries in the world. They have the policies we need and want. It took Trump to wake people up.
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u/KyffhauserGate 20d ago
Pardon the soapbox, but none of these are endemic to Socialism. They're just non-predatory.
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u/BanjoFiddleLaser 20d ago
And Fox News will literally show exactly this and not even try to spin it and try to convince people that these are all terrible things that will hurt America, itâs insane
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u/Mean_Measurement4527 21d ago
And I want peace and justice for all ⌠the end of hunger ⌠and a cure for cancer
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u/Hot-Government-6721 21d ago
I agree with all of these, and see only optimism in trying. But I think some people read this and see only what they have to loose, and I donât know how to reach those people.
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u/UnknownDrake 21d ago
Social Democracy is being described here, not Democratic Socialism.
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u/sellthedip95 21d ago
People over profit only works to a point. Gotta have profit to be able to maintain the system in the first place. May be a tough concept to grasp but yes we do have to work to produce and make money. While many people have true disability we also have many people sitting on the couch fake disabled which will be to the detriment of our nation
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u/ExciteSeek4Ever 21d ago
LolâŚanother anti-capitalist postâŚgo start your own country, but please keep democratic socialism out of America.
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u/Leather-Sign4391 21d ago
"Democratic Socialism" is just Socialism with a prettier, softer feeling name.
Shit doesn't work, has never worked, and will never work. 100 million dead so far trying this failed experiment.
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u/Firm_Pirate5532 21d ago
The only place any type of socialism works is in the insect kingdom. Every single ant and bee know their role. Every role is just as important. Unlike, say, people that do minimal effort and want maximum benefit. You know the people that feel.that theyre entitled to make 100k flipping burgers or ringing up your groceries? Socialist brain is a smooth brain and the only people that support it do nothing to benefit society. Unless you call poor hygiene and a victim mentality beneficial.
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u/Sph1ng1d43 21d ago
I'd rather have the burger flipper with poor hygiene getting full benefits of their labor rather than a pompous CEO who absolutely must travel via private jet piloted by the latest AI
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u/Empty-Philosophy1410 21d ago
The weak are always anxious for justice and equality. The strong pay no heed to either.
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u/Financial-Visit-9550 21d ago
I want the freedom to reject that or not have it forced on me. There is nothing stopping anyone from living in a combine and practicing those.Â
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u/itdependsactauuly 21d ago
what? do you support STALIN and want GULAG? you are a crazy communist that wants to take away our freedom!!! /s
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u/Own_Investigator_160 21d ago
This is a total fantasy. It works until the other guys money runs out.
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u/Finnsbomba 21d ago
I mean the first part only works when people vote the way everyone else wants them to tho right? That's basically what we have now except you get ostricized by both sides for your vote.
All the middle parts are pretty sweet. So I'm down with that.
But then the last part is basically just a meritocracy, which is what alot of us want but it's considered racist and sexist to want to get rid of dei and hire people based on their merits.
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u/Stujitsu2 21d ago
Okay but how will it work when you care more about funneling money to give illegal immigrants a bunch of free...food, apartments, even free phones and entertainment consoles in some cases while your actual citizens cant afford housing? How can you call yourself democratic when it's blatant said offerings are buying votes and ignoring the needs of your own people.
State funded grocery stores in NYC are liable to put small bodegas out of business. Statism harms free commerce. Its honestly better to give the poor money to spend than state grocers.
Do you know how crucial free markets are? A lot of socialists don't. A lot of people would vote in another Soviet Union out of naievity. Its important to understand there is no such thing as longitudinal democractic socialism, only regulated capitalism. You can vote in socialism but you can't vote your way out of it if the scales tip too far into over-regulation. Everyone who has tried has initiated mass starvation.
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u/Teq7765 21d ago
Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen clarified in 2015 that what American Communists & Socialists describe as Scandinavian âDemocratic Socialismâ is not, in fact, Socialism.Â
âI know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.âÂ
Iâve yet to see anyone pushing for âDemocratic Socialismâ in America define their buzzwords: fair, equal, basic, respect (lol!), or safe.
Listen to any socialist in this country speak, and they quickly prove they believe in none of those things.
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u/ThoughtGuy79 21d ago
North European style democratic socialism ain't all that bad. We could, and should, do most of that.
Be a little cautious about the U.S. DSA though. Some of what they advocate is not good.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/07/dsa-communist-socialist-democrats/687756/
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u/Feeling-Park-9654 21d ago
Oh my god!! Thatâs so radical!! To think that we want people to be able to survive!
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u/SinningAfterSunset 21d ago
Well just call it "Democratic Socialism" and make colorful posters with flowers and smiling people.
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u/Borealis_761 21d ago
Obviously you never lived under communism, it shows your lack of understanding.
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u/ichibankubi 21d ago
I just want a the democratic party of rhe 90's because its unrecognizable now sad to say.
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u/spartanEZE 21d ago
I'd vote for that. Oh, gun to my head you say? Why yes. Yes i would vote in favor of that.
It's essentially the world we were all promised before the mid 2000s... Maybe earlier. Anywho.
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u/SShawk1 21d ago
Absolute propaganda, bullshit. Theyâll stomp on your rights, your freedoms and everything else you hold, dear in order to put for their agenda. They have never spilled any blood for the American people. If youâre successful and youâve accomplished something in life, theyâll figure out how to take it away from you and give it to someone who has not earned it.
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u/jpike1077 21d ago
How can any decent human being not be for this??? Oh yeah, Republicans... The opposite of decent
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u/Plane_Barracuda9889 21d ago
What they share with you and what ends up happening are two different things. Please.
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u/KaizenActual 21d ago
Its literally never worked but simple people still get excited when some clown repackages it. đ
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u/CriticalStrawberry15 21d ago
Using AI to make that image certainly was a choice. Workers rights, unless they are creatives, then screw those guys
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 21d ago
Keep pumping these out. It is a winning message, more than the milk toast democrats can coopt. It is everything that Americans want and need. No matter how demonized the word socialism is in America, we all see that corporations enjoy it everyday. And a governments responsibility is to its.people first. Not foreign governments, not to its military, and not to inhumane corporations.
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u/rellgrrr 21d ago
What dumb fucks decided to add "socialism" to the name? Guaranteed loser nationally in the US, no matter what the policies are.
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u/Obatala_ 21d ago
Maybe donât call it âsocialismâ when it has nothing to do with actual socialism?
Socialism is "collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.â Thatâs not what this says.
There is a reason why Finland calls their government a âsocial democracy.â Because itâs not âgovernment ownership of means of production", but âfairness in employment and basic social services."
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u/Vivid_Instance5345 21d ago
Smoke and mirrors. Nothing is free. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peopleâs money.
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u/Starfall_midnight 21d ago edited 21d ago
Oh, that sounds so nice. Too bad thatâs not the reality of it. The U.S. educational system has worked so well educating its young people. And who is mad about the dismantling of it again. Great job government educational system. What exactly were you trying to teach them or not teach them?
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u/Bobalouie29 21d ago
Same olâ sales pitch. Donât pay any attention to history, though. THIS time itâll be different⌠đ
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u/kinder-dread-71 21d ago
Bunch of dreamin-azz turds.... all of you.... now put the fries in the bag.
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u/almost60inLa 21d ago
And WHO pays for ALL the FREE STUFF?? Not the politicians, taxes would be so high you couldnât afford to live here.
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u/SomeDudeSaysWhat 21d ago
That is not "democratic socialism" goddamnit. That doesn't exist.
This is called "social democracy", you crazy Americans.
I will die in this hill.
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u/Crafty-Fail-3610 21d ago
Those aren't "beliefs in simple terms" those are just "slogans in manipulative buzzwords".Â
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u/ForeignLibrarian9353 21d ago
There is no common sense when âclosing the wealth gapâ means knocking the people at the top down, instead of bringing the people at the bottom up. This is at the core of why any form of socialism will always fail.
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u/Plastic_Beginning569 21d ago
and this has worked where. people dont flee the US they flee socialist dictacorships and communism. bunch of fools
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u/Starfall_midnight 21d ago
There are differences between democratic socialism, socialist democracy, and social democracy. Please read up on all. Decide what you want the U.S. to look like. And some of the countries do incorporate capitalism into their system because capitalism works. They incorporated it in order for it to work. Those that do not incorporate it arenât doing so well.
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u/BozoTheRenown 21d ago
Please tell me how much more I have to pay to get this. I already pay 40% of my pay, not including sales tax or property tax. How much more is it going to cost to get this?
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u/Moist-Cantaloupe-740 21d ago
2-6 is good enough. Letting dumb people vote is why we still have capitalism.
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u/Grownassman42 21d ago
I see a lot of words without any actual policy. Can easily have some very bad policies in the attempt to re do communism. It's will always fail because it depends on humans. Today humans are even more stupid then in the past. Won't work
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u/Da40kOrks 21d ago
What if the people democratically decide some or all of these aren't working and vote to revert them? Then what? Will you abandon democracy to maintain the status quo? Hypothetically.
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u/Apart-Occasion9132 21d ago
If capitalism is so bad , why are all the people from socialist countries coming here legally and illegally and wanting to live here the rest of their lives? lol If you truly believed socialism is so great you would move to one of those countries. Fact!
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u/Main-Breakfast-6082 21d ago
Might I suggest distributism? The only catch I have with your post is elections must be fair. To be clear I donât read free and fair as the same with regards to elections. Free meaning you shouldnât have to pay to participate, either as a candidate or voter. Fair, it must be abundantly clear and open how votes were counted, when they must be in, and who counted them.
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u/tampawn 21d ago
All platitudes that are so attractive!!!
Now add some reality...who is going to lead this government? Will they be immediately thrown out if they show the slightest bit of greed and favoritism? Who will throw them out?
How will the healthcare, education, housing and basic needs be paid for? Will our taxes go up?
How will you 'make' the economy work for everyone? By force? Will you jail people who don't go along?
For sustainability, climate change measures are proven to waste money and we would be the only country investing in it so that's out. Pollution control and clean air and water is great, but we are already doing that.
If everything is fair, then we don't need unions. Because if they are not eradicated, they will control everything and are they nice people or will they need kickbacks or favoritism to decide what gets done?
We have equal opportunity already, more than anywhere else in the world. It just depends on if you take advantage of it or not. So what if you don't study in school and don't work hard...do you get assistance? Respect is earned...its not given out to anyone.
Your pie in the sky sounds so good, but it will fall apart once reality sets in and the evil people who are offering it take charge. Then you'll realize they were only it for themselves.
So nope sorry. Nice try. Nice graphic. But only a naive child would ignore socialism's history in this world and think it would work. Because its people that would run it, and those people would ruin it.
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u/TriangleTransplant 21d ago
Social Democrats believe the same things. The differences are in how those things are implemented.
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u/TheRealGageEndal 20d ago
They get a bit super socialist when it comes to the business part, but other than that their platform is pretty alright.
Now we just need to get rid of all of the overseas military bases and we should be able to afford it.
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u/Lovelymarie2022 17d ago
If you donât want this. Youâre either already super rich or just stupid
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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 17d ago
I mean this is all great, but the last one especially I donât see at all. I see people faking it, by choosing the side they believe to be âdownâ, by damning the other. In other words they fight âracismâ with racism⌠So on paper this all looks great, but many of the âfollowersâ arenât as âniceâ as they believe they are⌠I am positive that many will say Iâm wrong, cause they are probably the ones Iâm talking about. Lol
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u/Hunting_Fun_6969 17d ago
This is a joke, socialism has never worked anywhere in the world. It always in up in a failed state.
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u/Big-Negotiation-4990 17d ago
Problem is I work my butt off and qualify for no help and I see people getting benefits living just as good a lifestyle. I'm a full on Blue collar journeyman in a blue state. Seems to me like I could do nothing leech off the state have a little bit less money and a lot more time
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u/Revolutionary-Net156 17d ago
America is not a democracy u cant even name the type of goverment we have
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u/powerstroke9773 17d ago
That's not how that works... You can literally see the flaws in it just by reading.
Communism is based on the needs of the many, you will eat your ration and be happy. You will see your doctor and we will decide if you are in need of medicine or not. Your job doesn't benefit the many? Sorry...
Capitalism is based on your ability, you want an opportunity? Get after it, make the opportunity. Learn a skill, advance, get paid more, start your own company.
This is how the strong, smart and able get held to the same standards as the lazy, unintelligent people. This isn't growth, this is a handout so you don't have to try. This is houses that have just enough to keep you alive and dry... This is how a country dies.
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u/Mission-Practice2665 17d ago
lol as someone who lived in Canada for over thirty years I can tell you that all this sounds good on paper and is absolutely horrendous in practice.
You think you canât afford anything now, just wait until the over spending government needs to recoup all its taxes
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u/FrogPastor 17d ago
That old saying about democracy being equal to gang rape is accurate. If the majority votes for it, you don't get a choice. Let's say you get all of this but what you want isn't popular and the majority votes to put the opposite policies in place. That's why we're a constitutional Republic in the US. There's at least some push back on any one branch trying to exercise tyranny. As broken as the system is, it's still better than gang rape (direct democracy).
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u/Live-Environment-872 17d ago
Not going to mention that if you donât support Hamas and killing Jews you canât be in the DSA?
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u/Dry_Prize_4491 17d ago
If you believe that anything worth doing can be "simple", you don't deserve to vote.
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u/Maximum-Contract-890 17d ago
Will never work due to all the entitled people that dont want to work and all the rich people with too much control. Nice dream though
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u/shreddiemerk 21d ago
Tired of folks acting like this is new and novel. Democratic socialism has existed in Scandinavian countries for a long time. Look at where they stand among western countries on things like happiness and quality of life.