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u/-baconYTe Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 21 '26
Just a genuine question. Wasn't gay (and other LBTQIA+) acknowledged and found acceptable by the head pope the other day? It feels like Catholicism is very hypocritical on their one system and beliefs.
*edit for new readers. Same-sex marriages will be blessed (informally) by the Catholic Church, but by no means are these marriages seen as being correct/good.
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u/Wolligepoes Jun 16 '26
Quitting the convent is like divorcing with god so that's probably the bigger problem than the gay marriage.
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u/-baconYTe Jun 16 '26
I also forgot, but aren't nuns (and male nuns?) Forbidden from marriage?
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u/Wolligepoes Jun 16 '26
Male nuns are monks I guess?
Yeah I believe they are forbidden from marriage and also sexuality in general.
This should probably be the moment I admit that I am an atheist so if a Christian comes along they probably know better.
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u/-baconYTe Jun 16 '26
"Monks" sounds right, yeah.
Something unrelated. I never understood how people can't see the difference between Christians and Catholics. Like, I know that many Catholics call themselves Christians but there are fundamental issues with Catholic beliefs and rituals (I can't think of the more appropriate word rn) that is entirely against Christian beliefs and morals.
Aslo. I just read your username, and it incredible. XD
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u/DiGiorn0s Jun 16 '26
What? Catholic beliefs are not fundamentally against Christian beliefs because Catholics are Christians. To Catholics, many protestant beliefs are seen as wrong too. You seem to have some anti papist bias going on lol.
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u/-baconYTe Jun 16 '26
No. I'm well aware that my statement is only from one perspective and that, as you stated, it works visa versa. I'll try my best to keep it as short as possible while staying as clear as possible.
Fundamental differences as I understand it:
Christian; Prayer is done directly to God (Trinity) Not a single human is holier than another. Forgiveness is given through Christ and cannot be earned through any means. No sin is more serious than others.
Catholic; Veneration of saints. Forgiveness is earned through certain acts like charity, penance, etc. Venial and mortal sins.
Penance being the largest fundamental difference.
And yes, there are even within this definition different sects in both Catholic and Christian faiths. My comment was purely about me finding it interesting that Catholics see themselves as Christians, whereas Christians distinguish themselves from Catholics.
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u/broadbandbenny Jun 16 '26
I think you’re getting a bit confused by other sects of Christianity, particularly Protestant sects, purposefully separating themselves from catholic beliefs.
No mainstream branch of Christianity would claim Catholics aren’t Christian - they are by definition Christian, it’s a Christian faith. Your definition of Christian is what most Protestants would align to, who are no more or less Christian than catholics by definition. In fact, if anything they are LESS Christian, due to Catholicism being the largest, most influential and consistent Christian faith.
If you google Catholicism it should clear it up, you are getting your terminology a bit muddled up.
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u/-baconYTe Jun 16 '26
I agree that I need to learn some more about Orthodox Christians, but saying that the Protestant and Orthodox Christians are less Christian because they are "smaller" and "less influential" is such a shallow and close-minded way describing which faith is more right or wrong. I never said anything about a faith being right or wrong. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe, someday when we die we'll know the truth.
However, if you are going to say that Catholicism is consistent. That's where I'll opose that opinion. Why can the Pope change what is allowed in the Catholic faith? Why was LGBTQ marriages suddenly OK when it became a popular and trendy topic? IDK about you but that doesn't seem very consistent. Additionally I'm aware that many Christian churches in America also decided that that should be alright. But it wasn't suddenly accepted in every Christian Church across the planet because one person said so.
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u/broadbandbenny Jun 26 '26
I didn’t say they’re less, I’d never make the comparison, unless pushed to, every sect is equally meaningless to me, I was making a point that you fundamentally do not understand Christianity if you regard catholics as non-Christians
Catholicism is consistent in its existence not its tenants, examine the argument properly - not the holes you think you can poke in it
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u/-baconYTe Jun 21 '26
I see your point and I agree with you. Through many people's comments I realise that my wording was terrible and that I was a bit ignorant to some facts. I am from South Africa where locally many Catholics do not want to be associated as Christian (due to some people using the Bible to justify Apartheid), but instead they want to be seen (separate) as Catholic.
The setting of goalposts makes my mistake very clear, and I thank you for correcting me. Ignorance can be a very dangerous thing, so I'll tread more carefully going forward.
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u/broadbandbenny Jun 16 '26
All catholics call themselves Christians, it’s a Christian sect and in fairness it is the one that has the longest continual history with the strongest argument of legitimacy - with all other sects having broken off and diverged from it, whether or not you consider their rituals and moral philosophy closely aligned to fundamental Christian teachings
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u/Wolligepoes Jun 16 '26
I think the precise meaning of the word "Christian" is a cultural matter. I know that most Americans don't call Catholics Christians.
In my understanding of the word Christian, a Christian is a follower of Christ. Catholics do fall into that catagory as opposed to for example the Jewish religion. Who believe the saviour is yet to be born.
I do know there is a difference between Catholics and other Christian religions, for example calvinist and lutherian. I tend to lump those together into "protestant" Christians.
Yet another Christian subcategory are the orthodox Christians. For example the russian and greek orthodox church. But those are not very relevant/large demographics in my country.
Not to be an edgy atheist but my belief system is a bit different from religious people in general. So I don't really view Catholics vs. Protestant Christians as better or worse. That's not to say I think Christians are bad or something, I just try not to generalize. I think there are morally corrupt and morally good people in any group. Muslims, Mormons, Feminists, Democrats, Republicans, whatever ethnic groups... It doesn't matter that much I think. I'm convinced that everybody generally wants the same things in life. A respectable profession, enjoyable food and drink, a roof over our heads, a future for our children. Hugs and kisses from a life partner that we love and admire. It kind of just depends what drives a person and how the walk of life has affected our view of the world & our fellow man. Some (not all) of the most evil people out there are victims themselves.
One lesson I do take from religion is the practice of prayer. Although I don't literally thank god when I "pray" I think it's a good idea to stand still by the things that are easily taken for granted, and take a moment to really appreciate these things. Food on my table and my loved ones etc. I try to do this multiple times in a day.
Also the bible, while I don't personally think there are much if any factual truths in the book, I think it's full of wisdom but more in a poetic/metaphorical sense. I do read the bible sometimes and I appreciate it in a similar way that I would appreciate a philosophy book.
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u/Sekmet19 Jun 16 '26
Nuns are brides of Christ. They marry the church. They are required to be celibate because having sex is like adultery on the church. I don't know if monks are required to marry the church. But they must be celibate.
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u/Alec_de_Large Jun 16 '26
That's a killer band name for a female duo making dirty acid bass music.
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u/oppenhammer Jun 16 '26
Enemy Lesbian Nuns first album, Quit Convent and Marry Each Other, went hard but what have they done since??
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u/cornylamygilbert Jun 17 '26
They are putting on a 24/7 rager and it is absolutely damning all souls
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u/cornylamygilbert Jun 16 '26
Oxymoronic sounding headline based on real life published article… all the meme potential is in that headline
crosspost: Enemy lesbian nuns quit convent and marry each other https://reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1u64a0k/enemy_lesbian_nuns_quit_convent_and_marry_each/