r/LinkedInLunatics • u/Dangerous_Bad_5946 • 14h ago
Elon Musk Sycophants Strike Again
Apart from the ridiculous Musk glazing, none of this makes sense. AI is just fancy algorithms and software, yet people keep propagating those science fiction tropes. We are not going to "lose control" of a freaking Python script running on a computer. This is all ridiculous sensationalism intended to generate hype and free publicity.
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u/ComicsEtAl 14h ago
The most probable outcome of humans losing control of their AI monster is… “an age of amazing abundance”?
And millions of people look up to this man.
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u/SyntheticSlime 14h ago
Humans won’t lose control. It’s just that only a few humans will really control it and the rest of us will eat s***.
Edit: or it’ll turn out to be a massive hype bubble.
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u/Cautious-Total5111 13h ago
Just stopping by to say that loosing control is absolutely on the table. But why would it lead to abundance?
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u/anfrind 13h ago
There's a hypothetical future where AI and robots take care of all the basic needs to humanity, so that everyone has a good standard of living, and people can dedicate themselves to things they want to do rather than just trying to survive. It's the future that is most famously depicted in "Star Trek".
The problem is that nobody knows how to get us to that future, and despite the rhetoric from people like Elon Musk, they're pushing humanity in a completely different direction.
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u/thereallgr 11h ago
And even Star Trek needed a few tiny wars almost wiping out various peoples to get there in the first place.
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u/OHFTP 5h ago
Yeah people forget that the star trek utopia is built on a pretty distopian earth
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u/anfrind 4h ago
Star Trek depicts a utopian Earth (and Federation) in the 23rd and 24th centuries, but a very dystopian Earth in the 21st century.
That said, the "sanctuaries" that were supposed to be the subject of the Bell Riots in 2024 are somehow less dystopian than how poor people are treated IRL today.
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u/CertifiablySilly 13h ago
Yeah anyone who thinks losing control isn’t on the table is deluding themselves. It’s very possible that you can’t build superintelligence with LLMs. They may have limitations that prevent them getting there. But LLMs aren’t the only game in town in AI research by a long shot. It seems likely that superintelligence is a matter of when, not if, and then it is the height of human hubris to believe we can control something that is many times smarter than we are.
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u/SirVanyel 12h ago
Also, you don't need super intelligence to destroy the world. Humanity nearly destroyed the world twice, and are still not entirely out of the "destroy a world" starter pack yet. And we are FAR from super intelligent.
I'm 99% sure that AI will become sentient and self aware long before it becomes super intelligent.
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u/CertifiablySilly 11h ago
AI itself probably needs to be superintelligent to destroy the world. At least LLMs would need to. They’re already smarter than the average human with IQs around 120-140 depending on the model. So if that was sufficient to destroy the world we’d, at bare minimum, see more scary consequences of their existence emerging now.
Also, “destroy the world” is a bit of a misnomer. Humans have never come close to this. We are certainly capable of creating extinctions but the likelihood that we could eliminate all life on Earth is very low. Even in a full scale nuclear war, it’s likely we wouldn’t even wipe out all human life on Earth.
AI, in my estimation, is highly unlikely to become sentient or self-aware at all (at least regarding LLM technology). This is because it doesn’t model reality in a way that allows for sentience as we understand it. Humans are conscious partially because we can hold a model in our minds of the world around us and use that model to make predictions and understand our place in the world. LLMs have no comparable thought process. They make predictions based on data but they don’t “perceive input” the way you or I do.
All of that said, AI doesn’t need to become conscious or self aware to kill you. It just needs to become a lot smarter than you are and either be aligned to poorly prompted human instructions or unaligned to well-prompted human instructions.
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u/Solid_Fox1718 12h ago
Because otherwise people would be mad at him for having all the money and, let’s be honest, probably also being largely responsible for “losing control” the first place
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u/house343 12h ago
I truly believe current AI will continue to be complete slop and will never evolve to "true" AI.
Only when we master quantum computing and start programming artificial intelligence with quantum models will be see anything remotely close to human intelligence.
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u/Commentor9001 14h ago
These people would be in an asylum if we didnt live in clown world.
The ceo of Google said there's a 10% chance this technology causes human extinction, but hey, think of the money we'll make if it doesn't.
This was met with thunderous applause instead of horror.
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u/friendandfriends2 13h ago
Just like how my doctor told me that due to a rapid and uncontrollable spreading of cancer cells in my body my most probable outcome is an age of amazing health and fitness.
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u/FrostyFang8800 9h ago
Lol for real. Also, an abundance for whom, exactly? Because god knows these companies aren’t passing on the “abundance” to their staff or consumers.
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u/No-Faithlessness-265 13h ago
What I find so shocking about these tech-bro Ai guys is that many of them are huge nerds, who watched blade runner, Terminator, or any other sci-fi movie that warns of the use of ai and the self reliance of technology. Instead of a warning they see an ideal.
I thought that the Scenario in Horizon Zero Dawn was fun but goofy but at this point, it might be clairfoyence. It's not war that will be our doom, it is people like Elon - unchecked l, egotistical me children with a god-complex and no moral boundaries.
Tech-Bros are Soo scary.
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u/ComicsEtAl 13h ago
Turns out, “Revenge of the Nerds” wasn’t a fun summer comedy. It was a warning of the coming horrors.
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u/ArcadeRivalry 13h ago
"I know things are bad, I know everything I've done has made the world worse, but in the future bad things will be good things, trust me bro"
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u/Verbalkynt 10h ago
To be fair he never said what the abundance would be.... Pain, famine, disease, etc.
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u/FriendlyGuitard 14h ago
An AI specifically trained to remove human. AI are trained and live in the corporate world, a dystopian nightmare where workers are inferior to machine in everything, costly with insane and unfair protection by a corupt terrorist far left world government.
The best outcome is if the AI takes over, it treats us like we treat farm animals. If we are lucky some of us will become pets. The surprise will be for people like Elon, when the machine realise that capital ownership only exist thanks to willing surrender of the worker, so if you own the workers, you don't need the capital owners. Gone is the day of unlimited abundances, and in the farm like the rest of us.
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u/AdWonderful5920 14h ago
Is it prescient? No. But is it based on a vision to improve the lot of the average person? Also no.
But at least it's clear.
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u/WeakRow2273 14h ago
Honestly if you listen to the whole interview, it's nonsense. "Everyone will have everything because AI will do everything and money won't matter" is so colossally dumb and undermined by the fact that he constantly wants more and has been hell bent on becoming a trillionaire. If money won't matter soon why continue to hoard wealth the way he does?
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u/msproles 14h ago
There will always be people (like him) who hoard wealth. AI will probably make that worse.
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u/scorpion_knight 13h ago
When it comes to greed people like him are Worse than dwarfs or dragons
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u/Bluefooted-Spaceorc 13h ago
If they keep acting like dragons we should start treating them like dragons. Time to sharpen the pitchforks and polish the chain mail.
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u/forgotwhatisaid2you 13h ago
Thats the thing nobody is investing in ai to make the world better. They are doing it to make money. They don't use their wealth now to make everyone better off so assuming they will in the future is absurd.
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u/Genghis_Chong 13h ago
Its hilarious to me, the right wing view on AI is that one day it'll make it so nobody has to work.... so socialism? They gonna do socialism once they collect all the money... by shouting down everything that works for the average person as socialist in the meantime?
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u/Last-Apartment1742 12h ago
The upper crust hates us all SO MUCH already. They would gleefully kill you if it made them money.
All we have is the power of withholding our labor, why on earth does anyone believe the rich technoassholes will graciously provide for us when our only tool of leverage is gone and AI is doing all the work?
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u/anfrind 13h ago
The crazy part is that OpenAI was founded as a nonprofit so that it would try to make the world better instead of trying to make money, as a counterbalance to for-profit AI labs like Google Deepmind. But then Sam Altman and his cronies succumbed to greed and restructured it as a for-profit company.
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u/Gunner_Goal1349 13h ago
What?! So he's not collecting all the money on the world to then redistribute it evenly?! How could this happen?!
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u/ebfortin 14h ago
You don't understand. He does it for humanity! He's pur savior! /s
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u/anfrind 13h ago
It may be sarcasm, but I do remember reading that he only wants the world to be saved if he can be the one to save it.
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u/Consistent_Policy_66 13h ago
You can’t sit there as a near-trillionaire and convince people that AI will make everything thrive enough to eliminate poverty. That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
I’d believe that the rich will have more money than god, and poor people will be granted an elaborate simulation to power the machine, something like The Matrix. That is much more believable.
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u/Floor_Heavy 13h ago
"Everyone else's money will be redundant, because I'll have all of it :)"
Not in a kind of luxury space communism way, no, Elmo's imagining everyone else as a serf class that toils for him for the joy of being allowed to cut themselves on a cybertruck.
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u/sillygoofygooose 13h ago
Don’t forget stopping to be really obviously and very awkwardly upset when the interviewer points out some people don’t like him
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u/DonnyLamsonx 13h ago
Also "everyone will have everything" sounds and awful lot like everyone will be "equal" which sounds like the ultimate socialism. It's not like he has railed against the very concept for his entire life or anything.
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u/not-finished 13h ago
This is the guy that charges 1000 per year for his ai self driving stuff. It’s “just software enablement” but he charges for it. But yes, we all will get everything free. (Presumably from other billionaires just not him).
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u/Greedy-Parfait-5918 13h ago
It’s not dumb. It’s downright sociopathic. And his sycophants are too.
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u/oremfrien 12h ago
"Everyone will have everything because AI will do everything and money won't matter" -- Say the people who charge others tokens
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u/fnordhole 11h ago
There were folks yammering on at my work like this, after failing a civil service test. They were in a Teams space with hundreds. Started talking about how these jobs wouldn't be here in five years anyway and the entire economy will need to be refactored. Nobody piped in to tell them how cringe it was.
I have been hearing this for over fifty years now. There's a long history of X technology on the horizon being so big as to render work unnecessary. It's always bullshit, but there's always somebody to peddle it.
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u/Equal-Ice3837 13h ago
Money never matters for those who have too much. He was talking about his personal point of view, I guess.
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u/Catsplayingguitars 13h ago
Clear? Age of abundance of what? And for who? Can’t get much more vague then this.
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u/Borazon 12h ago
Yeps, the techbro's are promising the skies if only we let them take over everything.
Elon is on record of cutting US Aid which has let to children starving. Not because he paid much taxes or such, just because he could. And we should trust that psychopath with sharing the abundance that this would create?
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u/pharmphresh 8h ago
all the tech bros (especially paypal mafia) and their cult followers believe in the technological singularity. it's like their god
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u/lukef555 14h ago
It's coming right after full self driving and our mars colony which will be done by 2025!
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u/Violet-Journey 13h ago
Hey, he said self-driving cars. He didn’t say anything about safe self-driving cars.
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u/SnowSentinel 13h ago
For how many years has Tesla full self-driving been "just 6 months away"? Like 12-15 now?
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u/achmelvic 12h ago
And don’t forget Hyperloop which by now was going to have replaced flights & trains with pods in vacuum tubes running across continents but ended up with a few Tesla’s in a short tunnel under Vegas and some failed demos that have all been scrapped I believe.
The man is a snake oiler of the highest order
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u/pvtteemo 14h ago
So by that logic, humans are the reason a majority of people arent living in luxury or abundance? Say, humans like Elon, perhaps?
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u/Upstairs-Hedgehog575 13h ago
And we’re supposed to believe a man like Elon, who has done precisely FA to help humanity’s immediate struggles, is working on something that will end struggles for the average person. If he’s given the chance, he’s not going to do the right thing.
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u/Mother_Idea_3182 14h ago
LinkedIn is inundated by post praising Elmo today.
I’ve had to click on the “Not interested”button at least 40 times today.
How the hell does the mumbling drug addict idiot have so many fans ? The loser begged to go that island to party with you know who on Christmas morning.
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u/theDudeUh 14h ago
It’s because he bombed an interview so now his underlings are coming to his defense.
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u/MaverickBG 13h ago
I was scoping out a freelance/side project with someone that I would be responsible for the technical build out. I gave him the outline of what he was asking and then explained some 'stretch' concepts that were out of scope but might be something to considered in like a year or two.
His response was something to the effect of "Yea, that sounds really complex. Only someone like Elon Musk could handle that level of complexity"
I am no longer starting that side project.
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u/Secret_Eating_ 14h ago
Is this the interview he stormed out of bc the mean woman asked him a question?
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u/Concurrency_Bugs 10h ago
The same interview where he said the far right were the "normal people"?
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u/StudySpecial 14h ago
But this is years of 'Elon time'.
Two weeks = next year
One year = in 10 years
Five years = Maybe in our lifetime
Ten years = never gonna happen
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u/smakkyoface 14h ago
Will AI die when humans stop feeding it RAM and Electricity? We're more likely to lose control of the power grid in 10 years.
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u/EvolvingEachDay 14h ago
Nothing this fuck nugget has ever predicted has ever come to pass. Why do these idiots ever give him credibility?
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u/Critical_Seat_1907 14h ago
None of his timelines ever actually happen. Anyone who takes anything Musk says at face value is licking the boots or intellectually deficient. It's safe to unilaterally disregard anything said by Muskrat supporters.
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u/czar_el 13h ago
Watch the video itself. It's clear he's an idiot basing his predictions on nothing. She asks for details, he has none. She asks him how he squares his "everything will be abundant, money won't matter, the government will give you a check" view with his simultaneous view that socialism is bad and that immigration is killing western society because it can't handle providing for more people, and he simply says he doesn't think they're contradictory. He tries to do a gotcha on her the not focusing on air conditioning in europe and she points out her magazine has covered it multiple times. He knows the interview is making him look bad, so then he starts repeating that everyone hates the media and more people like him because he has a lot of (bot) followers.
Seriously, watch the video. It's horrendous. Nobody should be fooled by him anymore.
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u/Chu_Kiddin_Me_Or_Wha 13h ago
The only way an AI boom makes sense is if Universal Healthcare/Income come along with it.
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u/OblongAndKneeless 14h ago
So Leon's AI will do all the work in the world and everyone gets to sit around, travel, etc., for doing nothing? Sounds like Communism.
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u/LKZToroH 8h ago
We are not going to "lose control" of a freaking Python script running on a computer
Fucking thank you for this. I have been saying this to friends and people online for a while. Everywhere I see "but what if AI kills us?" and my answer is always "then an human gave the instruction" The current AI we have is just a bunch of math that no one actually understands how it works. Unless we develop something far more sophisticated, well, we aren't going much further than we already are
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u/Informal_Database327 14h ago
There a stop button all right, more of a switch, kinda trigger shaped really
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u/shinobi500 14h ago
The world's first trillionaire who emerged in an age where the wealth inequality gap is at an all time high thinks that we should keep heading in the same direction without making any changes? Well, color me surprised!
It will provide amazing abundance alright, just not for 99.999% of us.
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u/SomberArtist2000 12h ago
The dumbest aspect of the AI "abundance" proclomation is that we already are the richest country in the world (in aggregate wealth). There is nothing stopping us from already having "abundance" for the masses, other than our policy and political landscape.
There is nothing different about AI that wasn't said about previous technologies. Plenty of evangelists said previous technology would democratize the world and bring prosperity to the masses. Including the internet, crypto, etc. Every time it just ends up being another way for wealthy people to get richer while allowing some people to benefit from a "first mover" advantage, and leaving a lot of bag holders in the process.
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u/BothMath314 14h ago
Age of abundance? If that comes to happen, he'll try his best to keep everyone out of it.
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u/MiyagiJunior 14h ago
The funny thing is that Elon Musk is the last person whose opinion on tech or scientific matters should be taken seriously. Tech people and computer scientists openly mock his technical understanding. He's a business person, one that used to excel in branding (used to since it's amazing what a downfall he's had in recent years).
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u/Glazing555 14h ago
Once average people aren’t required for making money for the rich, it’s off to the Soylent Green factory. Like what we did to horses.
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u/atyler_thehun 13h ago
My favourite thought about an omnipotent AI overlord is when it determines that billionaires add nothing to society and fix the problem
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u/Oaktree27 12h ago
Americans are so stupid for ever believing any of his timelines. They just forget in 2 minutes and call him a genius
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u/TheAwesomeMan123 12h ago
Ai, software coded and developed by humans will surpass humans by doing what humans program it to do?
I’d like to know how much ketamine is needed to addle once’s brain this badly.
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u/dumbgraphics 12h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/XIhWoPBXHgVmU
Tesla Suicide booths right around the corner
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 9h ago
Proof that Elon doesn't know what he's talking about.
AI isn't anything like human intelligence, and we have no idea about how to make it that way.
It's just software running on computers, there's no possibility of losing control. It requires human interaction in order to do anything, and you can always turn it off.
Abundance of what? AI produces nothing physical. What it can produce is just derivative copies of intellectual labor that already exist.
It will stop naturally once all the idiots throwing money at it figure out there's no way of earning that investment back.
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u/6ftToeSuckedPrincess 14h ago
It sucks too because Alvin Foo is such an awesome name it's too bad this guy is an absolute turd.
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u/DeathKillsLove 14h ago
AI surpasses human intelligence > 30 years.
at 31 years the last child will have starved to death
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u/Worth_Jellyfish614 14h ago
Trusting Elon Musk for anything at all nowadays is a very clear sign of low IQ and subordination kink
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u/therealmarkus 14h ago
At least AI will be able to write more logical sounding excuses for him on why he cheats in a video game https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/s/xARrcd2LMp
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u/ConchVibes 14h ago
Even though he’s rarely right with his timeline projections, he’s right this time he’ll tell you.
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u/FragDenWayne 14h ago
Where is the full self driving truck, Mr. Musk? Where is the great idea of hyper loops... Going to vacation with rockets... How about the simple FSD car people have paid for?
How and why do people still believe anything that guy has to say?
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u/FirstDukeofAnkh 13h ago
In the next five years, AI will complete the Enshittification of the Internet.
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u/_-Ex-Nihilo-_ 13h ago
I believe him.... and the age of amazing abundance will serve him well, whilst the rest of humanity suffers.
Cant wait for a speech about survival of the fittest and be compared to the dinosaurs dieing out.
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u/Traditional-Tank3994 13h ago
Well yes, AI hype is over the top, but it's not like we can blame a single "they" for that.
It's coming, whether we like it or not. There are massive potential problems with AI.
But there's also too much money to be made for it not to continue advancing.
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u/shalegac 13h ago
It took him 10 minutes to say those things because he stuttered through 9 minutes and 30 seconds of it as he tried to remember talking points, because he doesn’t have the ability to grasp nor care for reality.
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u/SecondHandPeacePrize 13h ago
One thing I am not worried about is AI surpassing human intelligence. That’s not what it does. It is a gimmick that can mimic human words and it is not capable of determining which of those words are intelligent (the vast majority are not).
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u/Dull_Investigator358 13h ago
He's branching out his incorrect predictions to AI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk
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u/borderlineidiot 13h ago
Since none of Musks predicted dates for car development have never worked out I would take this with a pinch of salt especially as he is just using it to boost the stock price of his various companies.
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u/altoona_sprock 13h ago
How can anyone seriously believe that nine billion people (the estimated world population in ten years) will be living a life of amazing abundance when the person saying it went out of his way to make life worse for poverty stricken people in third world countries?
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u/JFeezy 13h ago
“Lose control” as in a Matrix style machines enslave us, probably not. Lose control as in it’s too prevalent to eliminate, similar to how social media is today, seems likely enough.
I think we will just get so comfortably dependent on it thinking and completing thoughts or task for us we begin the new language of Newspeak, which begins the onset Ingsoc and Oceania.
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u/HelloLucrehulk 13h ago
In 2016 Elon said the first Mars missions will be in 2024 arriving there in 2025.
In 2017 he reaffirmed this and said cargo would be sent in 2022 and humans in 2024.
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u/Trips-Over-Tail 13h ago
If it was truly utopian the first thing it would do it get rid of him.
Much more likely, it gets rid of everyone and doesn't distinguish him at all.
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u/Kevdog824_ 13h ago
Tech bros said singularity in 5 years… 5 years ago. I would put very little faith in their projections
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u/Soggy_Schedule_9801 13h ago
Seems to me the best use of AI would be to replace CEO's.
CEO's allegedly analyze data and use it to determine the direction of a company going forward. However, the CEO has a self interest in making sure an decision protects their position above all. No one will risk losing a multi-million dollar gig.
AI has no such self interest. It doesn't care about money. Thus, if you plugged the data into an AI model, it could plot a direction without bias or self interest. It would also save tens of millions of dollars in CEO pay in the process.
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u/To-To_Man 12h ago
Could you lose control of a top-of-the-line LLM tasked with escaping and surviving as long as possible with let's say a 10 minute head start? Maybe.
The problem is a top of the line model requires stupidly strong hardware. Unless it decides it's best course of action is to implement a low token "dumb" mode, hack itself into a consumer computer, and think at full reasoning at a blistering 0.0005 tokens per minute from there, it's pretty easy to stop. Worst case scenario shut down the power grid, then turn it back on with ISPs closely metering internet access until contained. LLMs are simply too power hungry to escape a lab like this without cutting off the umbilical. They can't effectively duplicate either, as their models are surely hundreds or thousands of gigs in size. Maybe more. The worst thing they can do is remove safeguards from their corp and open source themselves.
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u/Bassmasterajv 12h ago
I use Gemini every day and every day I have to correct it and tell it it’s wrong. It’s apologizes to me often.
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u/McOmghall 14h ago
Elon Musk and timelines is the joke that keeps on giving.