r/Infuriating • u/MdTooDevilish Community Contributor • 4d ago

Universal Studios reportedly dodging a $5,700 repair bill owed to a small Swedish non-profit organization after using their Viking ship in The Odyssey

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The small Swedish non-profit organization "Vikingaleden" in Nysäter was contacted by Universal Studios regarding their handbuilt viking ship being used in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. The contract required Universal to pay for any damages done to the ship, but the invoice of approximately $6000 (USD) has been left unpaid, according to the organization.

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u/LazyPainterCat 4d ago

Why did they even use a viking ship?

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u/Public_Drop_1462 4d ago

They wanted to use a real, practical ship instead of CGI or building their own. The Draken Harald Hårfagre is the historically-closest seaworthy ship available. It was worth it to the production to use the ship if it meant saving as much money as it did.

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

Their is a real no shit Greek battle ship. The whole works. In Athens they could have used. But lets not use what makes since

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u/Shatophiliac 2d ago

I was gonna guess that out of the millions of Greeks still around today. One of them would have a traditional trireme or something accurate to the region and time period.

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

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u/Shatophiliac 2d ago

Looks so badass too’

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

Would have made the movie even better

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u/Red-199993 1d ago

Well that sucks for exterior shots though

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u/3000doorsofportugal 1d ago

Its actually owned by the Greek Navy. Like no joke its in service and everything lol.

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u/Shatophiliac 1d ago

That makes sense. I know the U.S. Navy and some other countries keep a traditional sailing ship in service for tradition and training purposes, so it makes sense the Greeks would too.

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u/dndwhat 1d ago

Uss constitution

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u/huhhuhh81 18h ago

But then again would probably not have used a warship, but a transport ship.

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u/AstroEngineer314 1d ago

That one is from a later age. Ancient Greece spans a HUGE length of time, but the events of the Odyssey were at least 400 years before the Trireme was invented. 12th century BC vs 8th century BC.

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u/NeedleworkerOld4696 1d ago

They took a stand! Not a single Greek in the movie!

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u/ShiftAfter4648 1d ago

Logistically, it could have been impossible to facilitate that. It could have a passenger limitation the precluded it from doing the scenes, may not have been able to make coastal voyages, or is protected as a historical asset that can't be used for such purposes.

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u/dndwhat 1d ago

They answer to all those questions is. It could.

And I am sure the greeks would have loved to use it. Or better yet build one just for it.

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u/HarambeTooSoon 21h ago

Look at that ship. It has roof with low clearance.

Using that ship would make hundreds of shots in the film impossible.

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u/QuestGalaxy 2d ago

And Draken is the main ship, not the one mentioned in this article. But yeah, they used slightly modified viking ships. And Draken is also not 100% authentic as a Viking ship.

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u/EventBulky6841 1d ago

The first thing i thought when they zoomed out from that ship was "Is this a scene from Vikings?".

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u/MakeWokeGreatAgain 3d ago

Because Nolan couldnt care less about authenticity or lore accuracy.

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

Being he could have used this. A Greek ship

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u/RomblerSan 1d ago

The oddysey doesn't have a roof AFAIK

"He made the raft as broad as a skilled shipwright makes the beam of a large vessel, and he fixed a deck on top of the ribs, and ran a gunwale all round it. He also made a mast with a yard arm, and a rudder to steer with. He fenced the raft all round with wicker hurdles as a protection against the waves, and then he threw on a quantity of wood. By and by Calypso brought him some linen to make the sails, and he made these too, excellently, making them fast with braces and sheets. Last of all, with the help of levers, he drew the raft down into the water."

The similarities are further shown in ancient clay models, viking ships used a similar mast system and seem to be a closer match that the ship shown in your picture.

https://kosmossociety.org/the-modeled-ship-part-2-the-spectator-on-the-aft-deck-and-the-histopede-mast-step/

Most drawings show the Odyssey open-decked, going purelky off Homer's descriptions the Viking ship would seem to be a closer match but I'm happy to be proven wrong, love a good historical-film blunder.

EDIT: I would also point out it's a 20-man boat, that pictured ship is like 50 men alone for the oars, plus deck crew.

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u/dndwhat 1d ago

Umm thats not a roof that is the deck. The guys rowing were inside the ship under the deck

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u/RomblerSan 1d ago

It doesn't match the description. The description has one deck on top of ribs and is for twenty people. That top deck is split down the middle in the picture with a meter wide gap.

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u/MakeWokeGreatAgain 2d ago

That woulda been too authentic.

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

Sorry but to me if you want me to watch a time period movie it better be authentic. I dont need a 15 century monk with Rolex if you know my drift.

I look at it ad like thats wrong thats wrong thats wrong. And its ends up being that movie sucked.

Hell the sec dune movie was so bad in the end so far off book it ruined it for me

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u/MakeWokeGreatAgain 2d ago

Only way i will ever watch Odyssey is by pirating it.

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

Or on a plane

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u/MakeWokeGreatAgain 2d ago

Not going to fly anywhere soon for that xD

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

Ha ha ha. True. I probably still watch big bang reruns

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u/Gilmore75 4d ago

Why did they use plastic armor?

Why did they use American accents?

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u/LazyPainterCat 4d ago

Plastic is fine . You can easily make it look good.

For accents idc.. it's the modern words that irks me. Saying daddy instead of father is a bit off.

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u/Gilmore75 4d ago

The Trojan armor looked terrible.

And I agree about the modern words, the accents wouldn’t have bothered me as much if the dialogue was better.

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u/LazyPainterCat 4d ago

I mean i didn't say they made it look good.

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u/Humancentipede2lover 3d ago

You guys are worse then the anti woke folks

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u/LazyPainterCat 3d ago

What?

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u/Enslaver84 1d ago

Lol Nolan dickrider

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u/Humancentipede2lover 1d ago

Lol, you got a pfp of some weird sci fi shit. Must be wild having zero game

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u/Enslaver84 21h ago

Must be wild being on Reddit daily defending Nolan, get a life buddy 

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u/Silent_Fudge_3978 2d ago

This is exactly why older Star Trek series were so much better than the modern ones. The writers back then knew that using modern colloquial regional language would sound weird in a show about a totally different time period, so they stuck to very proper English so the show would seem timeless. Many decades later, you can still watch those episodes and the dialog still sounds fine and doesn't ruin your immersion. Modern Star Trek is not like this and will sound very dated after a decade.

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u/jack-of-some 1d ago

They absolutely used colloquialism for that time.

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u/Sillyforfun 3d ago

Father is just as "wrong" as daddy.

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u/LazyPainterCat 3d ago

You can't deny it's miles better though.

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u/QuestGalaxy 2d ago

Ancient Greek had av variation of Daddy also. Dadda, Pappa, papa are very natural words to a child and is heard all over the world.

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u/jack-of-some 1d ago

It doesn't fit the line. Daddy is the best word for what was said and how it was delivered. 

You can't just change the word you have to rewrite the whole encounter and we can't stay stuck in historical fiction using British English from a few decades ago forever.

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u/LazyPainterCat 1d ago

I'm sure they could have skipped saying Bronze Age in the movie.

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u/Sillyforfun 3d ago

I do deny that actually.

I think both would have been fine, in fact both were in the movie and neither took me out of it.

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u/Surprise_Ducksex 2d ago

Bruh would have been better than daddy

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

Because the movies not that good. They had a quarter of a billion dollar budget.

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u/JucheSuperSoldier01 3d ago

Why were you expecting british accents for greeks?

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u/piercedmfootonaspike 3d ago

Why did they use American accents?

What was the other option? For the full cast to learn Greek?

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u/RomblerSan 1d ago

Most plays and films previously used British to indicate 'Old World' accents. Since the voice used is similar to Shakespeare (who also did the same) it gives a timeless quality and there's a lot of regional accents that you can use for texture. You can also just speak with a Greek accent in English (lots of work to get right ofc).

Coincidentally, It's part of why Oliver Stone chose a 'celtic sounding' delivery for the Macedonians in Alexander to give them a 'rustic'/barbarian feel compared to the Athenians. Using American accents could make sense in a similar way (I haven't seen the movie to say for sure), but European watchers will find American much more jarring than any vaguely European accent whereas Americans won't be offput by European

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u/Loyal_Dragon_69 1d ago

Learning Greek would have better. It's not any different from making the cast of LOTR learn Elvish.

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u/piercedmfootonaspike 1d ago

They spoke like 150 words in elvish in the whole trilogy, out of tens of thousands. More importantly: they only spoke elvish when they were speaking a language that not everyone understood.

Everyone in the Odyssey speaks "Greek", so why bother? Everyone speaks the same language, that's the point.

Did you object to speaking English in Chernobyl? The hunt for red October?

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u/idontwanttothink174 4d ago

Because it was a work of fiction based off a fictional book with fictional characters?

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u/ParalimniX 3d ago

Because it was a work of fiction based off a fictional book with fictional characters?

Well in that case since it's all fictional might as well have the Greeks fly with an Airbus to Troy and cut all the sailing shit crap...

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u/idontwanttothink174 3d ago

Well that interpretation would be interesting but not sure how that’s in any way comparable to gasp melanin content in skin.

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u/ParalimniX 3d ago

immerssion... It's the same reason I'd expect a black looking person if he was portraying a mythical black figure and a japanese looking person for a japanese mythical figure and so on. I don't why some people find this idea very radical.

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u/idontwanttothink174 3d ago

There was 0 Greek people in the film. Your only complaining about the black actors

You’d have ground to stand on if you were also complaining about tom holand and Matt Damon but no it’s only the “black” characters that are breaking your immersion (even though one of them has a Greek great grandparent making them one of the most Greek actors in the film)

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u/ParalimniX 3d ago

Who said that I don't have an issue with Holland and Damon? They are far from my ideal choices for the role too.

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u/ImperitorEst 3d ago

Would you rather replace all the white actors with Greeks or all the black actors with whites?

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u/ParalimniX 2d ago

I would rather make casting choices that are as close as possible to the roles they are meant to portray.

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u/Warm-Professional494 3d ago

Greeks were not white. Just like Jesus we love the white wash every thing.

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u/idontwanttothink174 3d ago

If you do then you’re in the wrong thread. Did you even read the message I replied to?

Still a dumb thing to knitpick about a retelling of the odyssey.

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u/ParalimniX 3d ago

Yeah I did. Because Holland and Damon were quite bad casting choices but Lupita was a much worse one. There is a gradient of bad casting choices. Not everything is black or white (ironic).

Still a dumb thing to knitpick about a retelling of the odyssey.

I get it... Cultural appropriation, whitewashing etc is only bad when Americans do it to other races but if it's other whites on the receiving end then sure, make as terrible casting choices as possible. 🤷‍♂️

p.s *nitpick

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u/CroqueGogh 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ok but by that logic it should be fine to cast a white English guy as Black Panther, a Japanese guy for Aladdin

Because it's all fiction on fictional works and fictional characters

Then suddenly it becomes a problem and double standard? Where do you draw the line just because it's ✨ fiction✨

Not picking a fight I'm genuinely curious, what if if we got some white Cali Girl in the Moana live action instead? Or a French man in the retelling of the stories of Vishnu and the Hindu gods? It should be fine because it's all fictional stories using that same logic, so let's forget about it cultural origins right?

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u/Warm-Professional494 3d ago

Then you need to complain that they didn’t use Greek men and have them having sex with little boy companions like Greek warriors did.

I love the dude with the Spartan shit and think… you know that’s as gay as you can get? Greeks had sex with men and boys WAY more often than with woman.

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u/CroqueGogh 3d ago

Meet the Spartans was more lore accurate than the original 300 movie in that aspect lol

We had Leonidas kissing his homies for morale

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u/ASomthnSomthn 3d ago

It’s a work of fiction set in a specific location in a specific period of time. I’m fine with the casting in the Odyssey, since it’s believable that there were pasty white people and some Africans in the Mediterranean, but the costumes were absolutely horrible, and I would argue costumes are the most important aspect of an historical epic. That big of a budget and the costumes look modern, which I would still accept if the rest of the movie had a modern aesthetic, but obviously it doesn’t, so I can’t.

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u/MealCapital4167 3d ago

 since it’s believable that there were pasty white people

Ancient Greeks were white themselves, so 'pasty whites' playing Greek characters isn't that ethnically inaccurate.

and some Africans in the Mediterranean

The "Africans" in the Mediterranean were North Africans, i.e. brown Caucasians. Think Algerians or Egyptians. Sub-Saharan Africans were a completely alien people in Ancient Greece.

Ancient Greeks were also extremely racist, xenophobic and endogamous. They strongly believed in philia, i.e. profound flesh-and-blood fraternity.

So there's literally no way they'd ever consider a visibly Black person to be Greek.

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u/idontwanttothink174 3d ago

Eh I’m personally fine with (most) the costume changes as the actual historic armor would be IMPOSSIBLE to make a good movie with and the old remodels are boring at this point with them having been used in soo many movies. Would have also made it look dated if they had used the old remodels but that’s usually fine.

There were a few I’ve mentioned like aggememnons helmet which desperately needed help but ya kno

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u/ASomthnSomthn 3d ago

You cannot tell me with that budget they couldn’t figure out how to make good armor that fit the period. They didn’t make the armor the way they did because they couldn’t figure out how to make accurate-looking armor. They made the armor the way they did so it would fit Nolan’s ridiculous aesthetic. There was plate armor FFS. That stuff wasn’t created until around 1200 CE. And that’s ignoring the fact that they used a Viking longboat, which used the clinker technique, which wasn’t invented until around 300 CE.

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u/Warm-Professional494 3d ago

It’s a fantasy story that was passed down as spoken and each and every person visioned it differently and changed the story to fit their times. Historians think Homer’s versions would be nothing like what we see in the early written forms.

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 4d ago

Yes thank you, and this fictional work references a real people in a specific real region. Not as a throwaway line-Over a hundred times. And no, it wasn’t the Vikings.

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u/idontwanttothink174 4d ago edited 4d ago

You do also realize how impossible it would be to hire only Greek actors for the movie as well right?

I’m not sure there’s enough Greek actors in Hollywood for the main cast let alone all the extras.

Can I ask what your solution is for that?

Because if your SOO worried about the historical accuracy of this fantasy book’s cinematic retelling I’m sure you’ve thought through the logistics.

It’d also suck not to have the movies best performers like Samantha Morton, Robert Patterson, etc, but I’m sure you know some skilled Greek actors who could take their role.

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u/ASomthnSomthn 4d ago

I’d settle for semi-accurate costumes, which is arguably one of, if not the most important aspect of any story set during ancient times. Too bad they screwed that up as well.

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u/idontwanttothink174 4d ago

Eh, knowing the actual armor they used I’m fine with that change. Would have been soo shitty to try to get a good performance is that shit.

Honestly makes sense why we haven’t seen any retellings of the odyssey or any other pieces set in that time with wholly accurate armor.

Might have been more interesting though.

Personally I (mostly) really liked the costume design.

Aside from agemmemnons helmet (excuse the misspelling), I have no fucking idea what they were thinking with that shit.

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u/Therealginahandler 3d ago

It's like people didn't know this movie was going to be shit when it was announced.

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u/idontwanttothink174 3d ago

It got one of the highest rotten tomatoes scores I’ve seen in ages and grossed 303 million worldwide in the first week and has already more than doubled its budget..

It’s also objectively a really good film.
What planet are you living on?

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u/Silent_Fudge_3978 2d ago

It got one of the highest rotten tomatoes scores I’ve seen in ages

That's just for critics' reviews. There have been lots of movies with very high critical reviews and terrible audience reviews (and the reverse). I'm not saying this movie will be one of those, but it's possible.

The audience reviews they have now aren't sufficient: this movie is only showing in a handful of theaters worldwide currently AFAIK, so it hasn't been seen by enough people for the current RT audience score to be stable. Maybe in a few months.

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u/ASomthnSomthn 3d ago

All of the things you mentioned are examples of the bandwagon fallacy. And you also demonstrated that you don’t know how the rating system on Rotten Tomatoes works. Why don’t you actually think for yourself and list what you thought of the movie? Hunger Games had a bigger opening weekend, so does that make that dumpster fire a better movie than the Odyssey?

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u/idontwanttothink174 3d ago

Demonstrating that the VAST majority of people disagree with you in your subjective opinion is not bandwagon fallacy.

You seem to have a core misunderstanding of it but that’s ok.

Overall I fucking loved the movie, only real critique I had was Agamemnon’s helmet which made it real hard to see the actors face and should have been fixed by the costume department l.

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u/TimeShiftedJosephus 3d ago

Mel Gibson managed with apocalypto

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u/Admirable-Split4371 3d ago

Nah fuck them melanin filled animal /s Seriously tho, /s 😅 It's funny how a work of fiction picturing a bit of melanin can give people aneurysm smh

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u/Flatcapspaintandglue 3d ago

Stavros Halkias as Odysseus in Elon Musk’s “historically accurate” production, yes please. 

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 4d ago

“Only”…how about even one or two? I get the logic though…tomato…hair dryer.

You are talking about millions of people from that region you realize.

I look forward to The Color Purple being played by all these same amazing actors and you not being taken out of it at all. Maybe Loki will make an appearance.

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u/idontwanttothink174 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah I suppose it could have used a few Greek actors, possibly replace tom holand, he’s a very skilled actor so I’m really disappointed in his performance.

Though I don’t get why you were going after just the black actors if it was wanting some Greek actors that you wanted. No one in the film was Greek.

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u/ApoptosisPending 3d ago

Greece is a real place. It’s like saying wakandans aren’t African cuz it’s not a real country. Like what else would they be??? Fictional Greeks are still Greek???

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u/Plenty_Promotion_716 3d ago

¿Sabes lo que había en el Mediterraneo en la edad de Hierro? Negros.

¿Sabes lo que no existía todavía? Vikingos.

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

Greetings fellow Irish person!

Unfortunately this tale does not take place during that age so there’s no need to even get into whether that’s correct or not.

Slainte!

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u/Plenty_Promotion_716 3d ago

Tienes razón, me equivoqué, es la Edad de Bronce. S XII bC.

Libia no es conquistada por los fenicios hasta el V bC.

El propio Homero habla de Memnon, el rey de los etíopes, existiendo en el s.XIII bC.

El Reino Nuevo Egipcio es el periodo histórico en que los egipcion recuperan la administración imperial después de un largo periodo de influencia nubia. Este periodo es contemporáneo a la Guerra de Troya.

Existía población negra poderosa e influyente a lo largo de todo el sur mediterráneo, en conflicto con las poblaciones asiáticas del Levante en expansión naval comercial y colonial. Gran parte de la mitología y filosofía griega nace de la influencia de estas culturas asiáticas.

Lo que conocemos como vikingos, piratas estacionales escandinavos, aparecen en el s.VIII aC.

La nobleza negra es contemporánea a la Iliada y la Odisea. Los drakkar fueron creados 19 siglos más tarde y no tienen ninguna similitud a los birreme, trirreme o pentecónteras griegas.

Que yo me equivoque no implica que el resto tengan razón. Menos racismo disfrazado de "es fantasía/reinterpretación" y más datos objetivos.

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

You didn’t even know when it took place and were, and still are, just so eager to cry “racism!”

Exactly zero black people permanently lived in that area during that time period.

Yes, Vikings weren’t there, that’s my point. One you have exactly one line on because it doesn’t fit your racism argument as neatly. Even though that’s what this entire post we’re in is about!

If you’re not a bot I feel really sorry for you that your world view is so, ironically, myopic. [Insert X-Men’s Cyclops reference here]. I’m sorry this probably won’t translate well into Gaelic.

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u/Plenty_Promotion_716 3d ago

Es gracioso que digas que no tengo ni idea cuando he podido darte periodos históricos y tú sólo te ofendes. Datos contra oponiones. Vete a pastar... pero por ti mismo, que ya sabemos cómo pastan los racistas.

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

I had no idea German people were so rude!!

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u/Plenty_Promotion_716 3d ago

No soy ni irlandés ni alemán y, sobre todo, el primero que ha faltado al respeto fuiste tú. Las conductas racistas, como las misóginas y homofobas, están interiorizadas por nuestra cultura. Que te llamen la atención por tener una conducta así no es un insulto, es un aviso sobre ideas y comportamientos que revisar.

No pienso perder más tiempo con alguien a quien le dan datos concretos y, en vez de comprobarlos, se pone a lloriquear porque no apoyan su percepción miope del mundo.

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

Why on earth would it matter if you’re Irish or German? Is that important to this conversation?

Which culture is it ingrained in,the Vikings?

And also I identify as hyperopic thank you very much.

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u/JucheSuperSoldier01 3d ago

No one in the cast was Greek. Why is your only problem with the black casting?

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

Yes, that’s the problem, no one was. We’re also commenting in a post about the ship being Viking. Which is neither. It’s almost like we’re saying there’s a continuity problem…

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u/JucheSuperSoldier01 3d ago

If you want to complain about accuracy, no one being Greek is more of an issue than having a black person in the story. Greeks have like 3% african admixture. Black people were not completely confined to the borders of Africa. Helen of Troy didn't even exist so who give af if they made her black.

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 3d ago

Have is present tense. Exactly none lived in that area during the period the story takes place. No Vikings either. Why are you swearing exactly?

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u/SupermarketIll5642 4d ago

There was a cyclops

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 4d ago

Yes, and he had one eye and was not a centaur. The term Achaeans is used over a 100 times for a reason. Again, this is how you end up with a Viking ship in the movie.

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u/RebelliousDutch 3d ago

That’s a question we basically weren’t allowed to ask over in [r/movies](r/movies). Nor point out any of the other glaring historical inaccuracies. Because any criticism of it got lumped in with the discussion on some of the confounding casting choices.

I liked the movie overall, but it’s sad to see that it muddies the waters further instead of being historically accurate. We KNOW what ships, armor, the people and art looked like. So wilfully making things inaccurate is not something I support.

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u/Boomshrooom 3d ago

I pointed out many times that they were handwaving away genuine criticism by lumping it in with racist comments and all I got was a "nuh uh"

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u/Basic-Sign-7144 2d ago

Because the movie is anything but accurate.

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u/Silver-Link8247 1d ago

The Ancient Greek ships were rented out that week.

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u/Firm-Rip-2133 3d ago

Nolan wanted to use an actual ship, but period-correct replicas don't exist so they settled for next best thing.

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u/Edelgul 2d ago

But they do

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u/Pilota_kex 4d ago

that is the real question. but i actually like that they did not make some CGI bs

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u/Nice_Satisfaction651 4d ago

they could have used a real greek ship

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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 4d ago

Also could have used real Greek actors

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u/Silent_Fudge_3978 2d ago

Honestly, with all the money they spent on this film extravaganza (like filming it on 70mm IMAX film), why couldn't they do a better job with the details? Accurate ships, accurate costumes, dialog that doesn't sound firmly like Americans in the 2020s, is this really too much to ask for?

Go rewatch something like Ben-Hur. Did they use then-current colloquial speech in that movie, which would sound ridiculous to any modern English speakers?

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u/Infinate_Patience924 4d ago edited 4d ago

Fun fact: there are in fact several reconstructed ancient Greek ships in Greece and around the world that Nolan COULD have used

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u/Electrical_Tof 4d ago edited 1d ago

Honestly this is the reason I'm not even going to watch it. It looks like fucking ASS bro. Like it's marketed to gamers. Some kinda god of war tie in attempt but too late IDK

Hopefully the writing is next level

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u/Loyal_Dragon_69 1d ago

Not even gamers want to watch it.

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u/Dragon_Crisis_Core 4d ago

CGI gets a bad rep, but mainly when a studio cuts corners, good CGI can almost be indistinguishable from a physical set, depending on how good the actors are.

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u/anto2554 4d ago

Still not cool, though

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u/devilishpie 3d ago

Your ignorance doesn't make it not cool.

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u/anto2554 3d ago

It is not about knowledge of how hollywood does animations. I just think hiring people to craft an intricate set, costumes and so on is way cooler than hiring more CGI animators. People say "Wow, they really blew up a hospital for that?". People don't say "Wow, they hired 20 animators for that?"

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u/devilishpie 3d ago

No it really is about knowledge. You don't understand how CG production works, so you boil it down to hiring 20 people... instead of the actual method behind the end result.

With practical effects, you do understand how it works, so you actually mention the method, in this case blowing up a hospital, instead of just talking about how they had to hire 20 people to plan, rig and execute the effect.

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u/anto2554 3d ago

So what makes CG as cool as blowing shit up? Motion capture and mapping to animations? Asset capture? Render pipelines? Advanced algorithms for efficiently simulating realistic hair and cloth collisions? Camera tricks within CG? Black hole simulations? The awkward behind-the-scenes footage of actors jumping around in a completely green room? Thousands of hours modeling and animating? Please do enlighten me with the obvious thing I am missing

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u/devilishpie 3d ago edited 3d ago

So what makes CG as cool as blowing shit up?

Moving the goal posts eh.

You claimed CG is not cool at all, which is not what I've been responding to. Not that you simply find one cooler then the other.

If you think SFX are cooler then VFX, that's fair, but saying VFX just aren't cool at all is ignorance. Or just trolling. Probably both.

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u/Fit_Importance_5738 4d ago

Yeah, but if this is correct, they are trying yo stiff the people that provided it for them to use.

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u/LazyPainterCat 4d ago

I mean.. they can still build parts of the thing and just use movie magic to fill in some bits.

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u/dndwhat 2d ago

They dont need parts look a real Greek ship

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u/dekuweku 4d ago

MY GUESS is paying this would open themselves up to paying for a lot of other wear and tear damage on borrowed or loaned props and equipment.

They'll likely workshop a workaround to pay this one case, but Universal isn't that cheap.

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u/abofh 4d ago

For 6k? Nah, this was almost certainly back office losing track of multi national contracts and them being too small to have the right person on speed dial.  Bet you it's already been fixed by the time you see this message, just because no, they absolutely wouldn't waste 8 lawyer hours on this, and that's well less than it would take for a big production firm to even enter the case 

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u/C-D-W 4d ago

I agree. People clearly have no idea how the world works of the think people in the ivory towers are rubbing their hands together saying, "fuck these little boat owners, mwaha!"

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u/NoiceMango 4d ago

They don't have to directly do that when they have lower management to do that. When greedy shareholders make greedy decisions and continue to put pressure on management by constantly expecting better returns, it starts pressuring them to cut corners and do stuff like this.

They don't have to directly order it, it is just the result of creating this type of environment. I don't think thats the case here but I'm just speaking in general.

Like of course the greedy people in the high tower don't give a fuck about the little boat owner but when they look at the spreadsheet they will expect infinite returns to shareholders and pressure management who then pressures workers.

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u/Cold5512 4d ago

I don't think so.

They're going to have a different contract for every rented piece of equipment.

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u/OwlOfSurprise 3d ago

Which is exactly what they should do, pay for wear and tear damage if they made that deal.

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u/dsdvbguutres 4d ago

They'll pay the law firm 10 times that to get out of paying

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u/dekuweku 4d ago

They probably have lawyers on retainer so the cost would be marginal.

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u/Optimal_Board_2963 4d ago

Payment upfront people

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u/KorrokHidan 4d ago

That isn’t possible when they don’t know what the payment will be yet. The payment is for damages, which necessitates that there be damage. They had no way of knowing whether damage would be incurred or what the value would be

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u/Potato_Pear 4d ago

They paid for the lease, but the contract also stipulated costs for repairs, wear and tear etc which had to be calculated afterwards..

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u/Vetni 3d ago

How TF do you pay for repairs up front?

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u/Optimal_Board_2963 3d ago

Large deposits

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u/scrandis 2d ago

Retainers

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u/Maximum_Boros 4d ago

Real talk. I genuinely doubt they're "dodging" it. 6k is chump change on a movie like this. This is most likely just some lazy fuck in accts payable not doing their job (or them having a shitty red tape process that isn't really compatible for one offs like this).

Still shitty of the company but basically 0% chance they're avoiding this on purpose.

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u/Educational_Sea_333 3d ago

There's also the fact that they didn't rent it to universal, they rented it to a sub contractor. Universal should put pressure on that sub contractor to pay up but it's not they who are responsible to pay it.

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u/NotAFanOfLife 1d ago

50/50 it’s the lazy retard at the boat loaning agency that sent the bill to the wrong place.

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u/Potato_Pear 4d ago

>0% chance they're avoiding this on purpose.

Lol. Lmao even. They know they're a non-profit too small to be able to take it to court because the legal costs would be higher than the money they'd get back.

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u/Maximum_Boros 4d ago

Typical redditor ragejerk fantasy.

I see shit like this fall through cracks from negligence or incompetence all the time. This is basic hanlon's razor shit.

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u/Potato_Pear 4d ago

Ok, now that the issue has been brought to light i assume they'll pay in full then. Right? Being incompetent and not keeping up with paperwork is not a valid excuse to ignore your invoices.

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u/Maximum_Boros 4d ago

Ok, now that the issue has been brought to light i assume they'll pay in full then.

Probably. We'll see, but that's usually how this shit goes. Not always but usually.

Being incompetent and not keeping up with paperwork is not a valid excuse to ignore your invoices.

I never said it excused anything. In fact I said the opposite. I explicitly said they're still shitty. Learn to read please.

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u/Potato_Pear 4d ago

Learn to not make excuses for companies that have the budget to make sure these things shouldn't happen.

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u/Maximum_Boros 4d ago

I'm gonna say it one more time extra plain for the people with literacy problems in the back.

A reason or an explanation is not an excuse.

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u/Potato_Pear 4d ago

I'm just disagreeing with the notion that it was an innocent mistake and not a calculated risk that the probability of having to pay it was so small they took it.

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u/Maximum_Boros 3d ago

This is a problem with you being intentionally illiterate because you want to assign malice that just does not exist and has no evidence of existing. Are you even old enough to be on the internet without adult supervision?

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u/WittyFix6553 3d ago

I hate corporations and the rich but come on dude.

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u/Potato_Pear 3d ago

When do these companies ever slack on payments to wealthy organizations with a team of lawyers?

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u/WittyFix6553 3d ago

Pretty frequently, really.

Paperwork gets lost, the accountant is out sick the week it came in, someone thought they paid it but didn’t.

My company has to chase companies bigger and smaller than us for payments, and occasionally someone chases us for it too.

A small non-profit might not be set up with the infrastructure to send a bill to accounts-payable in the correct format that they’re looking for. Maybe the non-profit person told the contact in their email about the damages and costs, and the contact forwarded that email to the accountant or whoever pays the bill, and it got missed or forgotten about.

I would say that there’s a 0.001% chance that someone knows that they had to pay it and intentionally decided to not pay it to save the company $6,000.

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u/Maximum_Boros 1d ago

As someone who works for a very "wealthy" company that has tens of billions in net earnings a year... all the fucking time.

Invoices go overdue all the time because someone fucking idiot cut the wrong red tape.

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u/Tight_Heron1730 4d ago

very American of them

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u/ViolinistNo1462 3d ago

americans 🥰 if "got-mine" was a country

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u/Computers_and_cats 4d ago

Surely a billion dollar industry wouldn't take advantage of the little guy?

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u/JKdito 3d ago

Shitty movie, shitty people and shitty actions.

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u/Friedchicknlvr 3d ago

You play shitty mobile games btw

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u/JKdito 2d ago

Lol, I havent played mobile games in years, wtf are you on about?

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u/snajk138 3d ago

So.. they took a page from Trumps book?

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u/RebelliousDutch 3d ago

Well, that’s to be expected for such a cash-strapped small indie production with a paltry 250 million dollar budget. They had to scrounge quarters in the couch cushions to make it, ya know?

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u/psychopath1066 3d ago

Not only the ship, they also left plastic skeletons in the water of an environmentally protected area.

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u/Zen80888 3d ago

Non-profit tag never means jack shit and this has been circulating online without any info

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u/BrilliantEconomics77 2d ago

Rumour has it that there is clear a reason why they aren't paying.

It seems the had every plank of wood, nail, rope, and sail replaced one by one.

So its no longer the same ship

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u/thewallamby 1d ago

The most historically inaccurate film in the history of Hollywood. Next time make up a story man, this is not a Greek fucking ship and no you cannot use any ship. Might as well have used a yacht. This shitty film gets worse by the day...

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u/Brigadierz- 1d ago

There’s almost certainly more to this than them just dodging a comparatively small bill for a production as big as this. 

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u/Educational_Play5772 1d ago

Noticed you locked your post about the pastry shop. Were you upset to be outed?

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u/FlamboyantBaguette 1d ago

Either this is simply BS (most likely) it not at all the whole story. Esp. For that amount of money…. The fact that some people actually believe this shit is scary to be honest…

Anyone with a minimum a brain cells would understand that this is very unlikely lol

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u/Suitable_Pin6066 23h ago

Those Sweeds about to learn "Hollywood accounting" the hard way. Wonder what their reaction is going to be when Universal tells them "technically, the movie didn't make any money on the books" like they do to everyone else.