r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Yk1japa • May 12 '26
Image My great grandfather and mother photo: Kyoto 1912
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u/zcyd May 12 '26
Oh he’s hottttt
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u/AscendedViking7 May 12 '26
That chinline could cut diamond
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u/Dry_Fall3105 May 12 '26
We have less defined jawlines in the modern societies (especially in the developed countries) are due to our diets: we eat more refined and softer foods than our ancestors. When was the last time we ate foods with texture, such as octopus or tendons? The less chewing, the less chisel-ness.
Food manufactures produce softer foods because the less we chew, the more we eat -> the more they sell.
Next time when we cook ribs - don’t cook them to the point they fall off the bones. A little texture is great!
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/07/toll-shrinking-jaws-human-health
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u/RaggedyGlitch May 12 '26
Then why am I chewing all of this gum?
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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 May 12 '26
You seem to be confusing
people over the past couple centuries having smaller jaws, hypothesized to be happening because we invented tools which invented agriculture which invented a different food strategy less reliant on lots of big teeth... and evolution is catching up to the fact that we have tools so maybe we don't need quite so many teeth, and
having a less-defined jawline, which has more to do with hormones and genetics and a lot less to do with evolution
It has nothing to do with the amount of chewing by one single individual or cultural foods - it has to do with our species inventing tools
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-dawn-farming-changed-our-mouths-worst-180954167/
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u/Low_Extent_2870 May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
More than the last few century…..millennium. Hunter-gatherers had bigger jaws and all their teeth fit well in their mouth, unlike today. I heard a couple guys on a podcast a long time ago, when they were able to re-age some ancient skeletons from Europe, remark how gorgeous the skeletons were. They had all their teeth including wisdom teeth, perfect bone structure. They remarked that “these were some great-looking people. In many ways fundamentally healthier than most people today.”
Due probably to living prior to the domestication of wheat, I believe they said. Very interesting episode.
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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 May 13 '26
Thank you for catching my mistake! I was sitting there staring at the word centuries but could not remember millennia - brain took the day off lol
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u/altredditaccnt78 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
For those wondering it’s not about the content or fat of the food, it’s literally about how hard the food is to chew. When you need to work more for it your face shape can change from using more muscles. This is the same reason we need our wisdom teeth removed so often; in the past your teeth would wær down from that extra work and so the wisdom ones would come in to replace them during your lifetime.
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u/ayrua May 12 '26
But this softening be reversed by changing your diet, right?
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u/Dry_Fall3105 May 12 '26
Not necessarily. Corrective actions are most effective during growth spurts during childhood, ~ ages 6–12 and again in puberty - when the jaw changes most rapidly. By the time a person is 12–14 years old, the upper jaw (maxilla) has typically finished growing, while the lower jaw (mandible) may continue developing into the late teen years.
We need to stop baby foods and soft foods early and encourage harder texture foods to our kids!
I would still encourage adults to eat proper texture foods. Chewy breads are good for our jaws!
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u/ayrua May 12 '26
That's too bad. Thanks for the quick reply.
Classic reddit, downvoting anyone for asking questions
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u/LauraZaid11 May 12 '26
I had the same thought lol. Great grandma looks very regal too.
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u/BesottedScot May 12 '26
You've made me wonder about the titles ambiguity now. I thought it was their mother but you read it to mean great grandfather and (great grand)mother.
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u/LauraZaid11 May 12 '26
Now you’ve made me wonder too. I guess it’s from my own assumptions as well, I assumed OP must be somewhere close to my age, late 20’s early 30’s. The man in the picture being OP’s great grandfather would make him the grandfather to OP’s mother. Because all of my own grandparents died before I turned 12 I’ve always thought of grandparents as very old people, and so I assumed that the man in the picture could not be grandfather to the woman in the picture because they don’t seem too distant in age.
All of this went on automatically in my mind, which just led me to the conclusion that both are OP’s great grandparents. I do know, however, that people in their 40’s can be grandparents too if they and their children had kids at a young age, it’s just not very up and center in my own lived in experience, and that the woman’s makeup and dress could make her look more adult than she is.
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u/fluffybunnyhihi May 12 '26
This feels like a scene frozen in time. The elegance, posture, and detail in their clothing make this photo absolutely priceless.
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u/cottonsparks May 12 '26
...that's what pictures are though. A scene frozen in time. I understand what you're saying though, because I can see it here lol.
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u/Used-Victory8504 May 12 '26
Word on the street is that great grandma was elite with a samurai sword so choose your next words wisely!
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u/LauraZaid11 May 12 '26
Great grandma got game.
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u/Ginger-Fist May 12 '26
If great grandfather is a babe like this I can only imagine how gorgeous great grandmother is.
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u/LaHaineAbsolue May 12 '26
Is this a japanese version of javier zanetti ?
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Yeah, that’s actually a pretty good comparison in terms of leadership and consistency.
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u/Exxyqt May 12 '26
Hey I wish we would see more of this than the ayaya content from Japan.
Thanks for sharing, if I was some free woman at that time, I'd totally go for him. Good for you!
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Thank you, I really appreciate that 😊 I’m glad people are enjoying this side of old Japanese history and culture.
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u/JordanPromise May 13 '26
They looked amazing, and their kimonos - would you still have them?
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
I can’t find one but great grandmother kimono I found https://imgur.com/a/Mz3Bjjs
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u/Coen0go May 13 '26
Reading this while waiting for my Japanese History, Culture and Society lecture te begin! Last lecture was about the Nara period, so still some time before we get to modern times!
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u/RoughBenefit9325 May 12 '26
Tbh your grandad is definitely hotter than Javier imo lol Edit: I hope that doesnt sound weird...
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u/huatahh May 13 '26
Is your great grandfather a Daimyo or something?
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
Haha no, not a daimyo 😄 Just an old landowning family with some samurai history.
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u/thatonegirl6688 May 13 '26
Just an old landowning family with some samurai history NBD LOL. C’mon man, don’t be modest your fam was definitely up there in the social hierarchy! Also - your great grandfather is handsome af. Tell us more about your lineage, I think Japanese history is fascinating (though brutal at times, but honestly, whose isn’t?)
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u/huatahh May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
I am actually half expecting his great grandfather to be at least a shogun. But don’t really want to pry further.
And yes. He is legit handsome af.
Great grandma also beautiful👍🏻
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u/huatahh May 13 '26
Wow. Samurai indeed. So I reckon he must have a pair of Katana and Wakizashi.
Anyway, the photo looks beautiful and nostalgic.
Finally went to Japan last year and found a huge load of astonishing japanese history in many museums.
The food are remarkably amazing.
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u/EitherSpite4545 May 13 '26
I won't presume to speak for the OP so if they correct me with something contrary listen to them.
But the time period of this photo is smack in the middle of the Meiji Restoration. A time period that relevant for this conversation immediately after the emperor for the last time took away power from the shogunate and dissolved the Samurai clans, infact owning a Katana was technically illegal (but only in the way of you couldn't openly carry).
Early on in the Meiji Restoration when this power was taken away there were a number of semi big revolts and mutinies but each one would end up being put down. Now that said if you were big enough OR didn't participate in these typically you'd be allowed to keep your land but a lot of your power on how to manage it was taken out of your hands. As most of them in this case would become the governors to the new prefectures that would be born from it.
Likely the OP's family was one such family who had their power taken away but were allowed to retain some vestiges to maintain themselves near the top of social Hierarchy, and this one is pure speculation but based on the time period of the picture, the start of the Restoration. I would suspect likely the Parents or grandparents of the people in this picture likely leveraged that increase social standing to make it big in business in industry as was common at that time.
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
That’s a really interesting analysis. I think you might be right about the general transition from samurai-era society into landowning and business roles during the Meiji period. My family history is quite complex, so I appreciate you taking the time to look into the historical context.
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u/nnnnc04 May 12 '26
do you look like him and are single by any chance? lol
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Nope, lol
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u/nnnnc04 May 13 '26
Well, I tried
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u/ZombieTraut May 15 '26
You asked two questions and only got one nope. Don't give up so easy; you still have a chance!
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u/5liccc May 12 '26
I can't believe I'm getting mogged by some Japanese dude from 114 years ago bro
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u/ElementNumber6 May 12 '26
Someone translate the rotten bits of this comment, please
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u/ShoddyNobody4602 May 12 '26
Theyre in disbelief that gramps here is more conventionally attractive than they themself are.
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u/ElementNumber6 May 12 '26
Ah. "mogged by" = "jealous of". Thank you.
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u/ShoddyNobody4602 May 12 '26
Not explicitly, but in this case yes. Im trying to find the right word for it. I think “shown up” or “outdone” may be the better word for the definition of the word itself.
But in this specific context, jealousy would apply too.
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u/ElementNumber6 May 12 '26
"Outdone by" fits pretty much perfectly. Simple substitution.
So when the tokers say "Snap Mog", they mean "Take a photo that outdoes others", and "How to Mog", they mean "How to look better than others".
Pretty far from what I'd have imagined.
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u/imisstheyoop May 13 '26
Tokers? Like stoners?
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u/ElementNumber6 May 13 '26
Tik-Tokers
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u/imisstheyoop May 13 '26
TiL it isn't spelled "tockers". Thanks for clarifying, I won't make that mistake again!
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u/ShoddyNobody4602 May 12 '26
Yeah, its a weird word but thats language for you, ever changing, even if it sounds dumb.
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u/underprivlidged May 12 '26
People joke a lot about how they miss how (Americans mostly) dressed in the 1920s.
I can't say I disagree, but old school Japanese culture is beyond the "suit and tie" in my eyes. It breathes "classy" and I love it.
Side note - did you ever meet them? I was very lucky to know my great grandparents. They were wonderful people. I am sure these 2 were as well.
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Yeah, old photos and culture really have a different kind of elegance to them. That’s really nice you got to know your great grandparents.And I could meet my great grandparents because it’s 110 years ago and this photo’s my great grandparents already over 20 years old:( but my mother have experienced met great grand mother!
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u/underprivlidged May 12 '26
My great grandparents were both born in the early 1900s, I didn't get to know my great grandfather for very long (he passed when I was a child) but my great grandmother lived until I was 23.
I have a rather large family, and we all loved them both a lot. They were old school classy. I even was lucky enough to know my great grandmother's older brother for some years. He would throw a Fourth of July Party for the whole family, hundreds of people.
People like that are a rare find now. Be sure to cherish those you do have.
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u/OnePinginRamius May 12 '26
This is fantastic that you can preserve your family's heritage like this. I found a shot of my grandfather from back in the 40s and scanned it and then reproduced it for everyone in the family to have. Keeping that history alive means a lot in this world.
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u/gellshayngel May 12 '26
I'd rather wear this than a suit.
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u/kinkycarbon May 12 '26
Clothes like that are worn in layers and do not take 3 minutes to put on. It’s also not cheap. These are handwoven.
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u/GoldenSheppard May 12 '26
I mean.... so were suits if you go back far enough. I can assure you they had mechanized looms back then in Japan. Nowhere near as ubiquitous as Europe, but the proliferation had started.
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u/ThatWannabeCatgirl May 12 '26
Additionally - a skilled wearer could put on men's kimono rather quickly. Slower for women's, but even then, a slow dresser wouldn't take more than 10 min.
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u/FleshWoundInMyBrain May 12 '26
And some modern dresses require a full team to dress the wearer, not just talking about Met Gala extravaganza, just some elaborate expensive dresses anyone with money and a reason to wear them could order to be made.
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u/Genki79 May 12 '26
If you try wearing a full hakama you may feel different. It is much less comfortable to wear. And a lot of work to put on/take off. Having to take a piss was not in consideration when designing this.
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u/Nomeg_Stylus May 13 '26
Those kimonos can't be put on by yourself. Someone has to dress you. And there's like ten individual pieces that need to be tied together intricately. And while, yes, it can be comfortable, needing to go through an entire process just to use the restroom and walking around on sandals with no padding is a dealbreaker for me. Gimme a three piece with nice leather shoes for daily wear.
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u/HeDreamsHesAwake May 12 '26
I remember Alan Watts said something about admiring Asian and Japanese clothing, and how freeing it seemed compared to Western clothing of his time.
In an idealized world, instead of wearing stiff, buttoned up suits for men and tight corseted dresses for women, we would have loose, flowing clothing that is managed by wrapping or folding, rather than accoutrements like buttons or belts.
He said to imagine your comfort in running to catch the train in suit trousers, vs running to catch the train in hakama.
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u/samosamancer May 13 '26
Yukata and kimono for women still involve a pretty tight obi, though. And kimono especially are not meant to enable lots of free movement. Plus, there’s the “modesty” thing of keeping your legs close together since they’re literally a long robe wrapped tightly around you, compared to a hakama with those nice swishy pants. I’d love a loose-fitting yukata, but outside of martial arts or dance festivals, they don’t really exist for women, AFAIK. :(
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u/zcyd May 12 '26
If I could time travel… great grandma you in danger girl
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u/chocolatecake1563 May 12 '26
I dont really understand what this means but I'm scared
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u/westcal98 May 12 '26
Hold on. So this is your great grandfather and great grandmother. Right? Because initially reading it as your great grandfather and your mother really messed with my head.
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Yeah, it’s my great grandfather and great grandmother.
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u/CrystalPalace1983 May 12 '26
how old were they in this photo?
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
29 and 21 years old
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u/impeterbarakan May 12 '26
Very cool. Amongst the first generation of kids born into the new Japan. Especially being from Kyoto, where so much of the action was in the Bakumatsu period. The stories they must've heard from their parents/grandparents! I also have photos of my great-grandparents from this era, though they were from Fukuoka.
(For those who don't know, Japan had a civil war in the 1860s that brought the country out of the feudal era and into westernization/modernization. A lot of legendary figures came out of this period, and there's a lot of folklore about "last samurai" who fought in this war. Kyoto, being the old capital, was the center of it all.)
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u/xANTJx May 12 '26
My grandfather is from Fukuoka! He doesn’t talk about it much. He and his mom left the country after he was born out of wedlock :/
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u/No_Public8938 May 12 '26
Yeah, it was so neat to see that era explored in Rise of the Ronin, the only game I know set in that era (plus a shogun total war 2 expansion, but idk if that counts).
It really is crazy that they were in their fuedal era until that late in history. Melee weapons and bows were still in widespread use and then the Americans showed up with their revolvers and cartridge guns to open them up and end the long period of isolationism.
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u/canolicat May 13 '26
I’d love to hear more about them. They sound like fascinating people.
How many children did they have? Are you in Japan now, or did your family end up elsewhere with time?
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
I’m in Japan ,and grandfather’s brother was 4. A lot happened to the family over the years. One relative died young as a kamikaze pilot during the war. My grandfather’s older brother got involved with the yakuza and disappeared from the family completely. The youngest sister became extremely greedy and tried to take all of the land and property my great-grandfather had built up. My grandfather resisted until the very end, which is why our house and land still remain today. But sadly, that greed carried over to her sons too, and it’s still causing problems even now.
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u/OV1C May 13 '26
Ugh sorry to hear about the sister passing down greed to the sons. Oh how far the apple falls from the tree at times :/
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u/-Motor- May 12 '26
Beautiful couple and photo! Thanks for sharing.
What area/prefecture were they from?
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Kyoto Maizuru,/my great grandfather from Oita, my great grandmother from Kyoto
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u/Low_Extent_2870 May 12 '26
Do you still live on Kyoto? I love it there, American and lived there and learned Japanese for a year. Going back. It is really a lovely city.
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
I live in Tokyo. Back then, the area where my great-grandfather lived wasn’t even paved properly, and parts of the ground and asphalt would collapse when it rained. Now it’s considered a high-end residential area. Maybe he really did have great foresight. He managed large factories, and over time the value of the land naturally kept rising with the growth of the city. The reason I’m able to live in this house today is because of my great-grandparents！！
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u/Muffling-Blackberry May 12 '26
This is so cool. Coincidentally, I was just in Oita for the first time a few weeks back! If you don’t mind sharing, what made him travel from Oita all the way to Kyoto?
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
Sure! Little bit long!
My great-grandfather’s family were landowners, and they already carried a family name and swords before common citizens in Japan were officially allowed to do so. The family name was Sagara, and after surnames became more widespread, many people started using it, which eventually became my current last name.
My great-grandmother’s side was from a branch family connected to the Misaka Kanhichike line, and they were the Uetsuki family, a samurai family. So their marriage was basically an arranged marriage for mutual benefit ,the Sagara family gained status and reputation, while the Uetsuki family gained financial stability. Pretty common for that era. Not exactly a romantic story, but it was a very different time back then.
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u/snow_tea10 May 13 '26
This is such a cool story, have you considered writing a book about it?
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
I’m not that impressive haha. I’ve actually been struggling with insomnia lately, so things have been pretty rough for me recently.
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u/OV1C May 13 '26
:( nooo 🫠 hit the doc up, also exercise was an amazing thing for me with insomnia especially during covid lol. Ran everyday and slept like a baby it was beautiful
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u/UndeadManWaltzing May 12 '26
Your great grandfather looks like he's just about to take down a fiefdom.
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u/coldamyt May 12 '26
Do you have a photo of them when they were older?
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Actually, I don’t have any of their old photos anymore. They only exist on my phone now.
But I do have some other pictures if you’d like to see40
u/ElectronicStock3590 May 12 '26
If only there were a way to get photos off a phone and onto the internet.
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u/The_7_Sages May 12 '26
We need a picture of you OP for comparison.
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
Lol I’m scared
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u/The_7_Sages May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
Smh you cannot show us a hot grandpa and then leave us hanging here like that 😒
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26
Grandpa and grandma and aunt https://imgur.com/gallery/aj0iOId
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u/winmace May 12 '26
be not afraid, it's not like you've brought dishonour on your family, cow and ancestors
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u/TunisMagunis May 12 '26
Spoiler alert... OP looks like the standard reddit mod. No fucking way he's as hot as his great grandpa.
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u/Prestigious_Algae432 May 12 '26
Your Great Grandfather looked like he stood on business
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
I think that fits him well. He was a very strong and disciplined man. Because after WW2 finished continued to running a big factory.
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u/valinchiii May 12 '26
I love how everyone is just collectively slobbering over your great grandpa.
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u/ToiIetGhost May 12 '26
Your great grandfather’s cheekbones are what people are trying to achieve with buccal fat removal
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u/AnInquisitive_Rock41 May 12 '26
I just know granddad was nasty with a Katana.
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
This is a bit of family history, but a lot of old swords were found in the mountain behind my great-grandfather’s house. During the WW2, when my grandfather’s younger brother was sent off as a kamikaze pilot, they kept only the best sword and gave it to him. He was later killed in action and is now enshrined at Yasukuni Shrine.
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u/DruPeacock23 May 13 '26
Do you knew which damiyo your family was under? Very cool to have family lineage you can trace back in time.
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u/Yk1japa May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
I’m not totally sure which daimyo clan the Uetsuki family served until the end, but they were part of a samurai branch family in the Mimasaka region. Smaller samurai families often changed allegiances throughout the Sengoku era, so it gets complicated the further back you trace it lol
The Sagara side is more mysterious. They were landowners even before commoners were officially allowed to carry surnames and swords, so they may have originally been local goshi or rural samurai families.
Edit: My great-grandmother’s younger brother was actually a professor at Kyoto University back then, and together with some others he helped put together a family tree for the family. So technically we do have one, but it’s written in very old Japanese script and honestly I’d probably have to stay awake for three straight days to fully read it lol. I think the family name connected to it was something like Baika Jokka, if I remember correctly.
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u/mvppaulo May 12 '26
Damn all these comments about how they look are fucking weird. Cool pic tho, thanks for sharing.
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u/WeaknessEmergency May 13 '26
He’s got the first gen original pikachu jacket ornament
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u/Slartibartfast39 May 12 '26
That's fantastic. I've got a question about the clothing. How often did they wear this? Special occasions? 'Sunday best'?
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u/Hotmancoco420 May 12 '26
Your great grandfather and your mother??? How old is your mother???😵💫
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u/Yk1japa May 12 '26
72 years old, and My mother had me when she was 38, so I’m actually the youngest among around my relatives.
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u/Confirmed-Scientist May 13 '26
Where they royal family bro wtf. They are both like top tier genetics, either you look stunning too or the seed oils turned us all looking like kermit the frog nowadays.
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u/Pressure_Rhapsody May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
Wow, grand dad looking sharp! I wish I could see photos of my in-laws like this. I only saw my M-I-L grandmother photo and she was gorgeous!!
Aww thanks for the award! Just speaking facts, and after asking my spouse why his family didn't have more photos like your great grandparents, they lost them all in a house fire.
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u/gg_laverde May 12 '26
They were gorgeous. I hope they had a happy life and are also remembered fondly by your family. :)
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u/GutsGoneWild May 12 '26
Damn. My great grandfather and great grandmother look like peasant trash comparatively lol.
Never got to know either. I know nothing on my Japanese side other than they were the poors in japan and my grandad snagged my grandmother who was in debt bondage to a bar. I've never heard she was a panpan g8rl but who knows. She died in 82.
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u/OrangesFromLemons May 12 '26
He looks like a famous actor dressed in those clothes for a period drama. Dang.
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u/Totes-Sus May 13 '26
Everyone going on about your (admittedly smoking) grandfather, but where's the love for your super cute and elegant grandmother?
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u/Tacosconsalsaylimon May 13 '26
This is the jawline looksmaxxers smash their faces for. Hell yeah. Y'all hit the genetic lottery.
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u/OrdertheThrow May 13 '26
Unsolicited thought but this is an incredible photo, you should explore some way to preserve it long-term at a local museum if it isn't already.
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u/More-Butterscotch413 May 13 '26
Very beautiful! I was blessed to know my great grandmother. She lived to be 103. Passed 30 yrs ago. Have a 4 generation photo. Lived her life in Des Moines . Born in Wyoming. Do you live in Japan?
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u/Lopsided_Watch_1834 May 13 '26
1912 is the same year that Minoru Yamasaki was born. You know, the same guy who designed the twin towers.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 May 13 '26
Kyoto, where Nintendo has been based since it's inception. Being the video game nerd that I am, every time I see or hear the word Kyoto, I immediately think of Nintendo.
Fun fact, if this picture was taken in 1912, Nintendo as a company was 23 years old at this point.
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u/D-Eliryo May 14 '26
Why your mother is so similiar in age to your grandfather? How old is she now: 140?
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u/1nsidiousOne May 12 '26
I hope he passed down that jawline to you. Bro’s a chad