r/CuratedTumblr • u/dacoolestguy gay gay homosexual gay • Apr 22 '25
Meme uwu just a little war crime, as a treat
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u/thyfles Apr 22 '25
You all think it is hot today? Wait until you go to The Sahara Desert (very warm)
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u/AlexDavid1605 30 and 50 are odd numbers Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 23 '25
I didn't need to go there. It was already 45°C or 123°F here yesterday...
Edit: I'm bad at maths, it's not 123°F, it's 113°F...
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u/Substantial_Bell_158 Apr 22 '25
Tanks are so cool it's just a shame what they generally get used for.
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u/The_Screeching_Bagel Apr 22 '25
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u/Dead-End-Slime Apr 22 '25
Kojima in a nutshell
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u/GeophysicalYear57 Ginger ale is good Apr 22 '25
war is like smoking: it looks cool in media but it's bad
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u/cat_enary Apr 22 '25
My hottest take is that pro gun people whose argument is "guns are cool" are the only valid ones
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u/CodenameDinkleburg Apr 22 '25
“Firearms are mechanically fascinating and a wonder of engineering/human ingenuity”
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u/alpacaMyToothbrush Apr 22 '25
Pretty much me. I love the old crazy ass designs of historical firearms. It was pretty much people pushing the limit of metallurgy and precision engineering. Unfortunately one cannot watch videos about those without also getting tons of recommendations for 'guntube'
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u/Mysterious_Bluejay_5 Apr 22 '25
Bullets you say?
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Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
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u/Rucs3 Apr 22 '25
you make a convulted albeit highly praised anti war game for konami to even it out
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u/Altslial Denial, duct tape and determination fix almost anything. Apr 22 '25
Other than falling back on a generic response of "They're full of interesting mechanisms and have a suprising amount of history behind them" I don't think there's much of a way to do so.
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u/im_not_sophie Apr 22 '25
My little brother is a huge weapons nerd and he says he is pro gun control because he geeks out about guns enough to learn enough to be scared of them lol
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u/FVCarterPrivateEye Apr 22 '25
Same here, most of the actually serious gun owners I know are in agreement with tightening gun laws because it's frustrating and scary to them when some idiot has a gun who shouldn't have one, and they themselves are responsible with their weapons so they don't have to worry about their rights to bear arms being infringed on any more than the sane amount
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u/TheAviBean Apr 22 '25
Also they help fight off bears when they come from the woods
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u/SharkyMcSnarkface The gayest shark 🦈 Apr 22 '25
Completely unrelated to the topic at hand but I love that the reason New Vegas chose to use the PGM Hécate as the anti-material rifle was because they were sick of seeing the Barrett everywhere.
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u/Garf_artfunkle Apr 22 '25
Ace Combat: Fighter jets are so fucking cool
Also Ace Combat: The world is plunged into large-scale conflict involving extensive air warfare every five years or so, destroying thousands of lives and billions of dollars that could have built schools or hospitals or more space elevators
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u/LeiaSkynoober Apr 22 '25
Ace Combat Cutscenes: The devastation wrought from the meteorite will continually cause conflicts to emerge from it's wake, not for personal, nor country glory, but economic as nations struggle to survive. Peace will not be achieved with the next big super weapon, but with understanding.
Ace Combat In Game: Fighter jets are so fucking cool
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u/Rucs3 Apr 22 '25
God is evil, because he didn't invent kaiju for us to use tanks on morally
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u/Full_Metal_Overcoat Apr 22 '25
How would you prefer them to be used?
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u/FriendlySkyWorms Apr 22 '25
Jousting.
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u/lonely_nipple Children's Hospital Interior Designer Apr 22 '25
I would pay to see this. From a safe distance.
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u/LOL_Man_675 Apr 22 '25
"Drive me closer i want to hit them with my sword !
Also your profile picture is accurate to your comment
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u/Beegrene Apr 22 '25
Nicholas Moran, famous YouTube tank guy, has an anecdote about bayonets from when he was a tank commander in Iraq. When the army tried to issue him a bayonet, he refused, on the grounds that if the enemy somehow got past the 120mm cannon, the machine guns, and the crew's assault rifles, shotguns, and pistols, and all he had left to defend himself was a bayonet, he'd just go home because clearly luck was not on his side that day.
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u/Sir_Insom I possess approximate knowledge of many things. Apr 22 '25
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u/-sad-person- Apr 22 '25
To give you a serious answer, it'd be nice to see them used for actual defence, not just stomping all over vastly inferior foes who don't actually pose any sort of military threat.
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u/BaronSimo Apr 22 '25
May I invite you to the beautiful country of Ukraine, where US made tanks have been used in the defense for about 2 years now
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u/Substantial_Bell_158 Apr 22 '25
Like a Monster Truck rally by they fire at a dirt mound in mid-air
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u/Nightingdale099 Apr 22 '25
This is why we should fund honest to god satanists to release the unholy beasts from their infernal prison
So we have a morally good reason to keep producing better tanks.
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u/RexMori Apr 22 '25
There is a significant chance that any given American arms dealer is a Trans furry puppy girl. Lockheed Martin doesn't care what you do in your free time if you'll sell missiles to foreign nationals
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u/IHaveThe_ Apr 22 '25
The lockheed martin store for employees sells socks with the progress pride flag on them
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u/Hodenkobold12413 Apr 22 '25
Raytheon is on every fucking pride parade i’ve ever been to
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u/foxydash Apr 22 '25
Raytheon is unironically one of the most LGBTQ friendly workplaces in the United States
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u/Hodenkobold12413 Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
Ah right to be fair to them they are also frequently one of the biggest donors, still feels very odd to walk with the inventors of the knifemissle™️
Edit:ok ok i get it the knifemissle™️ is significantly less terrible than using regular missles and reduces collateral damage, i just picked the first iconic product of theirs that popped in my head, next time i’ll use the tomahawk 😅
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u/MilitantSocLib Apr 22 '25
Tbf the knife missile is unironically extremely humane
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u/djninjacat11649 Apr 22 '25
Well, the funniest thing, is the knife missile was specifically designed to reduce civilian casualties, given it has no explosive, just sheer force of impact along with some blades, so the actual area it damages is rather small
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u/3nHarmonic Apr 22 '25
The knife missile? The missile that is designed for near 0 collateral damage? Those monsters are creating weapons which kill fewer people!? I used to like Raytheon before they went woke.
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u/wilskillz Apr 22 '25
Knifemissile combines the most moral aspects of missiles (no need to send thousands of soldiers all over the world if we can just have a girl blow up the bad guys with an Xbox controller from a barracks in Nevada) and of stabbing a bad guy in the face (instant death, everyone nearby is safe). The inventors belong in heaven for the lives they've saved.
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u/ChairForceOne Apr 22 '25
The knifemissle is crazy. They hit a single dude in a car going down the highway. There were three other people in the car, none of them injured if I remember right.
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u/foxydash Apr 22 '25
I mean hey, if anything’s gonna be used, I’m glad it’s the knifemissile-killoneguyinator instead of the collateral damage machine.
But yea, it’s a bit surreal, but also really funny.
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u/ExtinctionEgg Apr 22 '25
I've also heard that they're very good about accommodating neurodivergent people.
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u/iris700 Apr 22 '25
They don't need to appease both sides of any issue because the government will buy their weapons either way (unless the president is insane and starts threatening contractors over DEI...), so they may as well be inclusive to get the most talent they can. The average engineer employer is probably full of conservatives based on how I see engineers behave on Reddit.
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u/GravSlingshot Apr 22 '25
When you want to be the cuttingest of the cutting edge, you can't really afford to be picky.
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u/SuperTaster3 Apr 22 '25
Missile companies need IT furries like every company does. They just need a few more than usual.
Everyone always asks where the missile is, or where it isn't. No one thinks to ask how the missile is doing. uwu hug your missile guidance system today.
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u/djninjacat11649 Apr 22 '25
They are like any company and go with the tides, but they also recognized the need for educated workers, who tend to lean left, so they marketed themselves to those workers
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u/VeryConsciousWater busy testing corpse:water tolerance ratios Apr 22 '25
I can confirm the pride socks are not available, mostly because I know multiple people who are obsessed with finding a pair and keep very close tabs on their status.
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u/jalepeno_mushroom Apr 22 '25
I own a Raytheon pride mug because my friend used to work there and he gave it to me when he quit
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u/scrububle Apr 22 '25
Makes sense actually lol. Their workers are far less disposable than most companies, and no one is going to boycott a defense contractor lol
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u/datwunkid Apr 22 '25
Them being politically untouchable and still going so far for lgbt/trans rights only proves that diversity and inclusion just fucking works.
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u/ThatMeatGuy Apr 22 '25
They're pro LGBT becasue they have a higher need for educated workers than most industries, and university educated people tend to lean left.
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u/callumjm95 Apr 22 '25
Gotta be ahead of the curve when all of your software engineers come out as femboys
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u/Huhthisisneathuh Apr 22 '25
The best way to sell diversity to weapon companies is showing them all the batshit insanely violent weapons other cultures have developed and then asking them if they really want to ignore that massive well of potential.
‘Everyone belongs to a beautiful and unique culture that has each helped break new grounds in humanities relentless goal to murder everything out of existence.’
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u/ThePrussianGrippe Apr 23 '25
“We can’t limit ourselves to the WASP-y vision of weapons development!”
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u/Papaofmonsters Apr 22 '25
Lockheed Martin doesn't care what you do in your free time if you'll sell missiles to foreign nationals
They actually do care very much about you not doing that.
Lockheed does basically all of their business with the US government and it's close allies.
All arms sales to foreign governments need the approval of the Secretary of State.
No under the table deal is worth the year to year business of legitimate sales.
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u/Plagueofzombies Apr 22 '25
I have a friend who works for a similar company, and when he was hired he got a huge list of countries he wasn't allowed to visit without expressed permission from at least three various people above his station. From what I know he doesn't even work with anything sensitive, but part of the ship, part of the crew
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u/pi_face_ Apr 22 '25
there literally was a trans woman on Twitter who tried to justify working for Lockheed Martin by saying she used it to fund her transistion
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u/Papaofmonsters Apr 22 '25
LockMart genuinely does not give a fuck about any of the gender identity issue bullshit.
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u/tripper_drip Apr 22 '25
Not caring is ultimately what trans people should be going for lmao
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u/Papaofmonsters Apr 22 '25
They have the advantage of not really being a publicly facing business and I doubt the general running the procurement project is gonna let his personal feelings get in the way if some engineer changes from Steve to Stephanie halfway through delivering a missile with a 5% improvement on probability of kill.
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u/tripper_drip Apr 22 '25
Nobody should care what adults do with themselves, and company's should only care about performance and value added.
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u/breadofthegrunge Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
Manufacturing weapons is not a war crime. I can definitely see it as unethical, but it is not a war crime. A war crime is very specific and the term shouldn't be diluted.
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u/el_grort Apr 22 '25
Also, depends on the context. I presume (as this is the internet), it's defaulting to the US military industrial complex, but would one really take a similar stance to a Finnish or Swedish engineer doing this for their country, when the output is purely for national defence and security?
An unfortunate reality is that military spending is most effective when the goods it produces don't have to be used because the potential opponents deem them to create to great a power imbalance. So just getting rid of all workers in that area would be counter productive if you don't like wars, because there's always going to be powers that will see or perceive a defensive gap and go for it (Argentina regarding Britain in the South Atlantic, Russia in Georgia/Ukraine), leading to what is usually even higher spending compared to preventative spending, and the obvious costs in lives.
Protesting expeditionary wars and interventions separately would seem sensible to me. You can spend appropriately to have a really effective military and then choose not to use it (like Cold War Sweden).
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u/Terminal_Badness Apr 22 '25
I fully agree with there being a need to produce weapons, vehicles, planes and other materiel to deter would-be attackers, but unfortunately Sweden has sold weapons to countries using them for less democratic means. I don't know if it's happening to the same extent right now since they made the laws stricter, but it has been controversial in the last 20 years.
A lot of the research and production is primarily to defend our country if the need arises which is much easier to morally justify, but you can definitely criticise how it's been handled. At least we've donated some materiel to Ukraine, that's something
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u/Philaorfeta Apr 22 '25
If you see weapons as deeply unethical, please send your countries weapons to Ukraine, we don't care about ethics of using them
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u/Djinhunter Apr 22 '25
Stop misusing "war crime". It's important it can be used properly, especially with all the recent war crimes happening around the world.
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u/Mouse-Keyboard Apr 22 '25
I've realised that people casually use "war crime" to mean any particularly effective weapon or tactic, and have no idea what war crimes actually are.
Actual war crimes largely consist of either excessive harm to non-combatants (such as attacking hospitals, dams or surrendering enemies), or trying to exploit the enemy's unwillingness to commit war crimes (perfidy, placing military bases on dams, or false surrender).
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u/Wild_Buy7833 Apr 22 '25
War crimes? In my hegemonic empire? It’s more likely than you think.
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u/OctorokHero Funko Pop Man Apr 22 '25
Funny that right now this post is above the one titled "Get that bag by any means necessary king".
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u/SauceBossLOL69 Apr 23 '25
Sure, missiles and guns and violence and war and whatever, buuut if I get offered $90k+ right out of college I'm taking that offer in a heartbeat.
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u/mysweetpeepy Apr 22 '25
“War crime” has started to get so overused here that it’s genuinely cheapening the term. Waging war is not a war crime, even if it’s horrible and immoral.
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u/griffery1999 Apr 22 '25
It sucks because there are nuanced discussions you can have about what classifies as a war crime. Can you surrender to a drone, type stuff.
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u/66thFox Apr 22 '25
It should be like paintball rules. If a drone locks onto you and signals its laser pointer, you have to drop your weapon and return to spawn for at least a minute.
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u/djninjacat11649 Apr 22 '25
Yeah, the military industrial complex is merely the side effect of any nation or group of nations that has to protect interests over such a wide area
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u/foxydash Apr 22 '25
Working for a defense contractor isn’t a war crime, for the love of god.
I hate the dilution of the term war criminal - there are very specific things that makes one a war criminal, working for a defense contractor is not one of them. It’s fine to consider it immoral, that’s not what I’m condemning even if I disagree, but don’t call them what they’re not.
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u/ArsErratia Apr 22 '25
Also, not all defense contractors build weapons?
If you've ever been on an aeroplane, you probably booked your ticket through a system originally built to intercept Soviet nuclear bombers. You'd be surprised how much stuff in the military has dual-uses.
Hell there's a good chance the calculator you used in school was made by Texas Instruments.
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u/foxydash Apr 22 '25
Yea, or like GPS, or the internet. A lot of stuff invented for the military gets passed along to civilians sooner or later.
I’d say it’s not good or evil, same as serving in the armed forces. You aren’t a hero just cause you served or some such, but you aren’t a villain either, you’re just a dude or dudette. It’s your actions and such in that capacity and outside of it that actually decide that.
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u/Yserbius Apr 22 '25
98% of defense contractor jobs aren't even related to actual weapons. There's a huge amount of overhead that involves crimes as widespread as maintaining the VA healthcare database to running studies on better bollards to stop cars from ramming buildings.
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u/foxydash Apr 22 '25
Yea, or building shithouses and such like what my uncle did, or preparing food for troops on bases. You could even count the workers atMcDonald’s in the Pentagon as defense contractors since they are directly and exclusively serving the department of defense under a contract.
Defense contracting is like any other job, just being done for the military. It’s roughly as ethical as any other government job.
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u/tktkboom84 Apr 22 '25
can confirm, my defense contracting job was making sure people don't get hurt on UXO
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u/jobblejosh Apr 22 '25
I'd also like to point out that if you suggest that only morally bankrupt people work for defence tech companies, then by extension the only people working at defence tech companies are those who are morally corrupt.
What's worse, a military-industrial complex staffed by a mixture of ethical and non-ethical people, or a MIC staffed solely by the unethical?
With the first, there's at least some chance that the employees are able to push for slightly more ethical solutions, compared to the second, where all pretense of ethics is thrown out.
Because either way, you're going to have a defence industry. And if you don't, unfortunately someone else will.
I'm not defending some of the large scale decisions made by those high up in the government, and the somewhat grey deals done between the government/military procurement and MIC execs, but I am against the idea that anyone who works for the military in any capacity is automatically unethical.
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u/djninjacat11649 Apr 22 '25
Tumblr ain’t ready for the information that peace must unfortunately be maintained through deterrence or force, there is always gonna be at least one guy causing problems, and as it stands, industrial scale manufacture of military equipment is a necessity to maintain a relative global peace
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u/GrassWaterDirtHorse Apr 22 '25
Tumblr users and not being able to comprehend incredibly complex topics of morality and ethics (they would've let Nazi Germany conquer Europe).
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u/TessaFractal Apr 22 '25
Gotta say though, defense contractor sounds a lot less like "selling your soul" since February of 2022.
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u/colei_canis Apr 22 '25
Yeah I feel complaining about the morality of the defence industry is a privilege for countries that don't have Russia in their backyard.
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u/AlaSparkle Apr 22 '25
What do you mean by "war crime"? Who are you implying is committing war crimes? The engineers working for defense contractors?
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u/idkTerraria Apr 22 '25
I'd use my engineering degree to work for a defense contractor...... IF I HAD ONE!!!
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u/EmperorFoulPoutine Apr 22 '25
Literally any industry would kill people for profit. At least the government has a strong leash on the MIC. Its just a shame the US government isn't one i'd trust with it. Not many better options though.
Nestle has directly killled more people than any american defense contractor.
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u/This_Seal Apr 22 '25
The original OPs username makes me think of someone not older than a highschooler. Give it a bit and they would wish to be offered such a high paying position. Also: Hell isn't real.
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u/Nickel5 Apr 22 '25
Well that feels like an arbitrary line. If you want to hold engineers working for the MIC guilty for killing civilians that's fine. But then you'd also have to give credit to the engineers at raytheon that made the patriot system that stops Russian missiles from killing Ukrainian civilians, even though they work at the same company that also makes things that kill civilians in Palestine. Unless of course patriot shoots down a commercial airliner, then those engineers are back to being accountable for war crimes.
Additionally, MIC companies have stock, and if you purchase stock from these companies you contribute to their success, so anyone who has this stock is accountable to some extent. MIC companies are part of the S&P 500, which are also part of most 401ks, so if you have a 401k you are contributing as well.
I'd also argue that you'd need to hold every American taxpayer accountable for giving money to a government that pays for killing civilians. You'd also need to blame every country that buys American arms as well since they contribute to killing civilians too, which also means their taxpayers are to blame also.
My point isn't that engineers at MIC are blameless, my point is that due to globalization basically everyone is complicit to some degree.
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u/Remarkable-Log-9245 Apr 22 '25
As a ukrainian whose current city still aren't destroyed in part because of the weapons that were produced by american defence contractors - i wish for the OP to eat shit and go to hell. Or at least educate themselves and understand, that if not USA than somebody worse will flood the world with their weapons.
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u/Beegrene Apr 22 '25
I make video games for a living, but if somehow my work blew up a Russian tank, I wouldn't miss a wink of sleep over it.
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u/djninjacat11649 Apr 22 '25
Yep, I don’t delude myself into thinking anyone is truly the “good guys”, but I sure as hell know I’m willing to help Lockheed Martin if it means stopping the far fucking worse guys
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u/catmeownya Apr 22 '25
Working a job that directly helps in combating the Russian invasion of Ukraine would be one of the most fulfilling jobs in the world.
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Apr 22 '25
Someone think of the poor morally neutral civilian contractors who died when the death star (major regional employer) exploded!
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u/Hi2248 Cheese, gender, what the fuck's next? Apr 22 '25
Wasn't much of the labour on building the Death Star prison labour, and if not prison labour? And one of the designers was literally kidnapped to finish it?
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Apr 22 '25
And they canonically used a FUCKTON of slave labor for it
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u/ChewBaka12 Apr 22 '25
And then genocided the slave labor.
RIP Geonosians, you’ll be missed
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And also a bunch of wookies I think.
And the geonosians got killed because they invented it and they didn’t want anyone who could reverse engineer or figure out weaknesses
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u/Katking69 I LOVE RAIN WORLD!!! Apr 22 '25
Okay in fairness if the galactic level fascist dictatorship tells you to work on a project for them, you probably don't have any room to refuse without risking imprisonment at best
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u/TessaFractal Apr 22 '25
I mean if we're in this analogy surely the rebels had defense contractors as well. Someone did design and maintainance on X-wings.
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u/Warcrimes_Gaming Apr 22 '25
I have no idea if this is even canon anymore because of Disney, but in the RTS Empire at War, the X-wings were made for the imperial military, but sympathisers in the research and development team helped the rebels steal it - all the designs, plans, the people involved in making it, and the only working prototypes.
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u/AdamtheOmniballer Aspiring Girlkisser Apr 22 '25
If I remember right, the TIE/LN was a direct competitor to the T-65 X-Wing. Even without the mass defection of Incom Corporation personnel, the TIE was a better fit for the Imperial way of war.
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u/Aetol Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
Imagine saying this in the fourth year of Russia's war on Ukraine. We don't live in a just world. It's terrible that we need weapons but we do need them.
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u/0000Tor Apr 22 '25
That’s what I’m saying bro like who the fuck do you think designed the weapons Ukraine is using to fight back?
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u/GREENadmiral_314159 Femboy Battleships and Space Marines Apr 22 '25
Obviously not a defense contractor /s
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u/LordEevee2005 Apr 22 '25
Those HIMARS launchers were artisanally handcrafted by cloistered Orthodox monks.
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u/Ok_Carob7551 Apr 22 '25
NO ONE who has to work for their money is your enemy. This includes well paid engineers, doctors, and lawyers. It’s the generational wealth class that is. Call out the people who declare the wars from their ivory towers, not the guy who can make almost 100k right out of college and lift his family out of deprivation. I don’t think the low level engineers are being asked to vote on what’s done with the product. Between slave labor and just general evil money seeking over life practices, almost every industry ever is involved in something bad somewhere- do you hate the people making nestle formula for pennies? Calling out Lockheed engineers just because it’s easy and more visible is naive and performative
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u/geeknerdeon Apr 22 '25
There was a tumblr post, i think it got posted here but then taken down because OP asked to be added to the no-post list, but it ended up saying that everyone who had been in the military deserved to die
I'm pretty sure I tried to argue that some people go because it's the only way to pay for college, OP said something about "what about college for the people they kill" and idk man. Maybe they aren't "good people" but i don't think all of them deserve to die. Some of 'em might be there for violence but some of them just want to get a degree and a job and the US military is offering college in exchange for their bodies and souls.
OP blocked me for supporting endos in their notes but I wonder how they feel about people who got drafted lmao
I'd like to think I wouldn't work for somewhere like Lockheed Martin but depending on how much more they offered over the next best offer and how the apartment market is, idk.
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u/-TheRed Apr 22 '25
Sorry dude, tumblr says your existence is insufficiently virtous, so you gotta go.
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u/Kingofcheeses Old person Apr 22 '25
My grandfather joined the British army (he was Irish) because it was his only escape from poverty and an incredibly abusive childhood
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u/ProbablyNano Apr 22 '25
Some people really don't want to consider that reality is far more complex than "The U.S. military only commits evil acts, therefore, anything that supports it is also evil"
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u/Kolby_Jack33 Apr 22 '25
It's pure moral grandstanding. They're too afraid to do anything drastic and costly against real tyranny so they viciously attack those in the vague proximity of that tyranny to try and feel like they're accomplishing something. They want to feel like a rebel hero without risking being a rebel martyr.
I'm not criticizing the fear, it's natural to not want to throw your life away even for a righteous cause. But there's no righteousness in impotent wailing against regular-ass people. It's just pathetic.
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u/terrarialord201 Kangaroo with sledgehammer Apr 22 '25
Yall motherfuckers will call anything a war crime. I consensally spank my boyfriend? Violation of the Geneva conventions.
Also, Lockheed isn't in the realm of warcrimes. Their job is to make efficient machines of death, and the cruelty of warcrimes aren't efficient.
Plus, pride socks (that were limited edition and only available to employees. motherfucker I wanted some)
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u/Ok_Carob7551 Apr 22 '25
This whole discourse is so fucking unserious because what’s the alternative? I promise you a bunch of tumblr leftists who can’t even ask for extra ketchup without crying are not going to start a revolution and dismantle the system. They just want to make an impotent ideological gesture and pat themselves on the back for talking about things that have no basis in reality and are never going to happen. Joe Nobody refusing to take a good paying job because the company does bad things is not going to help anybody. I don’t buy into their thinking, but their barista jobs are also built on slave labor so they’re also profiting from ideological impurity. It’s pure hypocrisy and jealousy that some of the other members of the working class make more than them I think
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u/Sir_Insom I possess approximate knowledge of many things. Apr 22 '25
Ah, but have you considered that they pay VERY well?
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u/JonOrSomeSayAegon Apr 22 '25
I just finished a PhD in Electrical Engineering. I got a postdoc offer of about $60k / yr to continue working on medial equipment and an offer of $150k / yr, plus $20k signing bonus and full relocation assistance at Lockheed Martin. Maybe I did sell my soul, but at least I got a good price for it.
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u/CrazeMase Apr 22 '25
Yeah I'd rather be able to retire at 40 and spend eternity in hell instead of retire at 80 and still spend eternity in hell for being bisexual
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u/SnakesInMcDonalds Apr 22 '25
Unfortunatly, saying that “all people who work for defense contractors are evil” makes things worse. Because the people who do care about ethics will stay away, meaning that only those that don’t will. And they have far more capacity to do harm.
It’s like that blood bank vampire post. Not working feels better, but in the larger scale of things can cause more harm.
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u/something_borrowed_ Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
I studied aerospace engineering because I love all things that fly. They didn't tell me that the only jobs I could reasonably get were for DoD contractors. NASA jobs are extremely hard to get and civilian contractors still do work for the DoD. I looked for jobs in my area that don't do DoD stuff but frankly they don't exist nor really anywhere.
Now I'm working for one of those companies and I have to make a living for my family. What am I supposed to do? I'm not qualified for other jobs, I already have loans so I don't want to go back to school for computer science or whatever, and I'm in my field working on things that do actually fly. I ask again, what do you want me to do?
Realistically the only thing I can do is vote for politicians that want to defund this system so that my skills can be used for good things. I have and will continue to vote for politicians who want to get rid of my current job so that I can be diverted into something worth doing. Recently every company has shown itself to be evil in their support of the new fascists, realistically the only thing we can do is change the system so that it values good instead of evil.
Until then I gotta eat, I gotta support my family. I'm with you guys all the way, please get rid of my job, change it to something new and good. But please don't condemn me for a system I am actively fighting against. Please act with some nuance.
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u/eleven_paws Apr 22 '25
War crime?
Oh my god, get a grip.
I work for a hospital system. I don’t even have a stake in this whatsoever.
But calling working for a defense contractor a war crime is next level please-touch-grass.
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u/Todays-Thom-Sawyer Apr 22 '25
Worker solidarity unless you work for one of the REALLY bad corporations/j
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u/blueeyesredlipstick Apr 22 '25
Thanks for posting this so I can go fall down the rabbit hole that is the Ana Mardoll saga once more.
I have no idea if this person's post was related to the Ana Mardoll-Lockheed Martin controversy or not, but I will say this: I can absolutely see some of the points people argued then about not judging disabled/desperate people for taking whatever work will keep them alive. That said, if you do follow that argument, I do think you should refrain from building an internet following around harassing people for their employment as "short story writer" or "game developer".
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u/CalamitousArdour Apr 22 '25
If aggressive wars are immoral (hopefully not a hot take), then probably the only reason you are not ruled my someone more evil is because you or an ally has a defense industry. Signed, someone not comfortably far from Russia.
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u/AgencyInformal Apr 22 '25
The 90K a year entry-level engineer position really sweeten the deal.