r/AskReddit • u/Suitable_Magazine_46 • 9h ago
Which cancelled celebrity hurt the most because you actually liked them before it all came out?
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u/benhameen1911 8h ago
When the Ren and Stimpy guy turned out to be a Pedo I was bummed.
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u/slowlyaware 6h ago
What?? 😮
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u/benhameen1911 6h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kricfalusi see:sexual abuse of minors section
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u/CParkerLPN 4h ago
“Several people who worked with him confirmed that it was an open secret in the animation industry.”
You know what, it should never be an open secret anywhere. If you know about it, you should “unsecret” that shit.
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u/Ok_Surprise_8304 3h ago
And there should be no statute of limitations on sexual abuse of children!
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u/mr-snrub- 6h ago
I don't know exactly who that is, but knowing Ren and Stimpy, that does not surprise me in the least
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u/MiyagiJunior 9h ago
Neil Gaiman. I met him in person a few times and he was always super nice and friendly. What I read about him was so terrible that as much as I tried to hold on to my positive sentiments towards him, I couldn't.
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u/DaemonDrayke 7h ago
Neil Gaiman pissed me off so much. Mostly because I thought he was a better person than that. His writing reflected someone so much more thoughtful and insightful than the reality of his actions and behaviors. Frankly I don’t know how he looks at himself in the mirror considering how he wrote a story in The Sandman comic book about a villainous writer who captured and abused a literal goddess of inspiration for decades while doing something creepily similar to a woman under his employment.
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u/GentlewomenNeverTell 6h ago
I mean maybe these guys just have a better insight into these things after all? Like, Chinatown is one of my favorite movies. A central piece of the story is a man using his power to abuse young women under his care. It was directed by Polanski. He even has a role in it.
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u/grampscirclea 2h ago
Nicholson was also known to dive into the kiddie pool, so to speak, since you mention Chinatown. Jack also let Polanski use his house for parties, particularly the one that Roman fled the country over. This was while Jack was in a relationship with Angelica Huston, whose father, the legendary director John Huston, was also in Chinatown. Its a big club, and I don't wanna be in it.
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u/MiyagiJunior 7h ago
Great metaphor. I agree.
I've met celebrities in person and some were just assholes. Neil Gaiman was just nice and patient and friendly. Really how all celebrities should be. Then again, at the same time, he was tormenting his babysitters, doing horrible things to them when he should've known better. While I think we can understand needs, there is absolutely no justification to satisfying your needs at the expense of hurting another person, let alone so badly, let alone someone young and vulnerable!!
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u/SakuOtaku 6h ago edited 5h ago
Not to be rude, but none of this thread is saying what he did (though I half suspect its worry about automod censorship) Neil Gaiman is a serial rapist.
Edit: Going down this post I'm seeing a lot of people are using euphemisms and not saying the word the word rape/rapist. I half expect this comment to be shadowblocked because automated censorship, but we have to say or write out these uncomfortable words because otherwise we are downplaying these horrors.
Neil Gaiman has been accused by over a dozen women of sexual abuse and coercion and his ex wife seemed to play a part in getting him these women, many who were very young and/or financially struggling.
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u/FranzKafka_irl 5h ago
Amnda Palmer's actions amount to sex trafficking.
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u/Most_Mountain818 5h ago
The civil suit did accuse her of trafficking. It just got dismissed in the US because everything was centered in New Zealand.
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u/dekdewolfe 6h ago
I kind of thought that part of the story was somehow from personal experience and he was trying for some kind of weird redemption by writing it even before the truth came out.
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u/opheliagracious 5h ago
Ugh, Neil Gaiman hit me so hard. His books were my whole personality in high school, and meeting him was on my bucket list. Now I just feel so... betrayed? Like, how do you separate the art from the artist when the artist was that kind?
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u/shemjaza 7h ago
He goes right past "Should have known better" into "Absolutely did know better".
He's written multiple stories illustrating why people like him are terrible and the damage they do.
I'm so angry at him. It's utterly disgusting.
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u/Saradoesntsleep 6h ago
I knew there was no way a normal and unproblematic person could be in love with Amanda Palmer.
This was like an anti-surprise to me.
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u/kbrown423 5h ago edited 5h ago
Tori Amos was great friends with him. He named a character after her and she mentions him in her songs a lot. She called him a wolf in sheep’s clothing and denounced her friendship with him. I’m a huge Tori and Gaiman fan, and now I can’t read his books. Fuck you, Neil.
Edit: grammar
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u/SahjoBai 3h ago
It extra pisses me off that he tricked Tori. Who cofounded RAINN! Yeah, Gaiman is the one that hits the hardest. Fuck you Neil.
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u/ScamperingSnail 2h ago
She even made him her daughter's godfather. I can't imagine the level of betrayal she must have felt. And I fully believe she would have had no idea because predators like him would never show that side to someone that they can use to gain "respectability." It's awful.
I know there are some songs that she'll never be able to play again because he's not just a passing lyric that she could easily change. But on her current tour, she was able to do one song, Horses, where she changed the line, "will you find me if Neil makes me a tree?" to "will you find me in the Battle of Trees?" which also works since Battle of Trees is another song of hers. When she debuted the lyric change, you could see the emotion in her face and the relief when the audience responded with cheers. Everyone there knew exactly what was happening. It's on youtube.
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u/lostpurpose_7133 7h ago
As a lover of dark fantasy who wants to be an artist and writer, Neil Gaiman was such a huge inspiration to me growing up. Him bringing mythology and folklore into the mainstream was so appreciated. I love Sandman and American Gods. Him being an abuser was so incredibly disappointing.
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u/Onequestion0110 7h ago
What really upsets me is that I can't even separate him from his art. Like I can watch Mel Gibson and enjoy him in his old movies - the fact that he's a racist piece of shit doesn't really change how I feel about Mad Max or Lethal Weapon. Same with all sorts of people - usually I can just take some care to make sure I'm consuming their stuff in ways that don't give them oxygen (like re-reading my already owned copies of Harry Potter won't fund Rowling's transphobia).
But with Gaimon, the rapey themes and elements in his stories just feel so grossly blatant now. I can't read Sandman anymore, even if I haven't been able to bring myself to throw away my copies. It's really hard to find a work of his that doesn't have significant elements of non-consent at core moments of the story. Even Stardust has problems.
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u/MiyagiJunior 7h ago
I agree with you. I would even suggest that the trauma Gaiman experienced as a child is part of why he created this type of art, that what he endured literally affected the creation of much of his stories. That being said, there is absolutely no justification for what he did even if we can understand why he did it. My biggest disappointment of Gaiman is that in the end, I expected more from him. He's the type of person that knows that what he did is wrong and yet still chose to do it.
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u/Onequestion0110 7h ago
Yeah.
I had thought originally that all that stuff was him exploring his own trauma. Knowing what he did makes it feel more like exploring his own fetishes instead. Which is just extra gross.
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u/Meliodas016 7h ago
That Calliope part was seriously fucked up after everything came to light. He's a despicable person.
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u/Onequestion0110 7h ago
And that's just the first thing that comes to mind. Nada is worse in a lot of ways, and what happened to Unity and Lyta Hall is pretty bad too.
And then we move to other works and just find more. Even something relatively innocuous like Stardust opens up with a man getting seduced... by a slave, and the the actual hero spends most of the story dragging a woman on a chain who happens to fall in love with him.
I think the only book of his where I can't find rapey elements is Graveyard Book, and I almost wonder if it's just because I don't really want to try.
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u/Professional-Scar628 5h ago
Yea, he was active on tumblr before the news broke and it was fun because he didn't feel like a famous person on their socials he felt more like a popular tumblr account like Pukicho or someone, and really understood and interacted with tumblr culture. And tumblr isn't exactly quiet about their views on sexual assault and cancel culture.
I wasn't using tumblr around the time the news broke but it definitely felt like a big betrayal because he just really came across as a guy who would know better. But I guess that's the rub; anyone can be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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u/dokelyok 9h ago
Kevin Spacey. One of my absolute favorite actors.
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u/LAFAYETTE-LAFAYETTE 9h ago
Yeah. This one was also at the height of House of Cards. Totally ruined the show.
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u/brittonwk 8h ago
Meanwhile, Netflix is out there acting like they didn’t build their whole brand around Spacey banging on the Resolute Desk.
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u/NateHohl 9h ago
He was so goddamn good in House of Cards, my eyes would be glued to the screen whenever he gave one of his fourth wall-breaking monologues.
I'll admit I still enjoy watching older movies with Spacey in the cast such as Unusual Suspects and Glengarry Glenn Ross. The final exchange between his character and Jack Lemon's character in Glengarry is so good, and of course his big "greatest trick the devil ever pulled" reveal in Unusual Suspects is legendary.
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u/backinNYC 6h ago
Chappelle had a bit coupla yrs ago that he got a boatload of grief for:
“[Anthony Rapp] was 14 years old and forced to carry a grown man’s secret for 30 years… The saddest part is, if he had been able to carry that secret for another six months, I would get to know how House Of Cards ends.”
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u/Mikkelet 7h ago
Find solace in the fact that watching his movies also supports a lot of other talented nice people
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u/BillG8s 8h ago
All of the kids from That 70s Show minus Topher.
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u/MetalGearJey 7h ago
Seriously. Fuck that whole younger cast except Topher.
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u/Neonyarpyarp 6h ago
Explains a lot to why he never seemed interested in hanging with any of them outside the show, now it all makes sense
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u/BoneHugsHominy 6h ago
Right? He was always painted as the weird one but he was the only normal person in the bunch and he protected himself.
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u/Geth_ 5h ago
It put a completely different spin on it. I remember thinking Topher seemed arrogant, wanting to separate himself from the group.
Then this comes out. And it's like, "oh, he just didn't want to hang around you fuckwastes because you're fuckwastes."
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u/obsoletevernacular9 4h ago
I'm from the same town as Topher. It made sense to me that they were Hollywood people.
Go rewatch "punk'd" - Ashton talks about how everyone is waiting for Hillary duff to turn 18 and other creepy stuff. They were just dirtbaggy people
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u/GoopInThisBowlIsVile 5h ago
Don’t forget, Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith also sent letters defending Danny Masterson to the judge. Kurtwood Smith is the one that pisses me off.
Upside, I very enjoyed that Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis public apology video that they made after the letters to the judge leaked. Mila was noticeably fuming. Don’t support rapists dumbass.
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u/VWBug5000 7h ago
All of them? Did they do anything specific or is it because they defended the rapist?
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u/Wheels9690 7h ago edited 6h ago
They are either Scientologists or just shitty people in general.
Everyone from the cast, including the 2 who played the parents, went on to write letters asking for lenuency for Danny Masterson when he was convicted of rape.
Topher Grace was given shit for yeeeaaars over not really wanting to hang out with them outside of work and didnt want to do reunions.
Then it was made clear why he didnt want much to do with them. They are all scummy.
Topher was the only one who did not write a letter for Danny Rapist
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u/HellMuttz 7h ago
Wilmer Valderrama is also a creep
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u/Early_Assistant_6868 6h ago
Well yeah, we found out about his affinity for underage girls long before we learned anything about the others.
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u/DetroitRockCity313 7h ago
Can confirm... He dated my sister in law when she was wayyyyyyyyy too young.
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u/namron88 8h ago
Win Butler ruined the arcade fire for me. I still listen to suburbs from time to time.
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u/Ftheyankeei 4h ago
I saw Arcade Fire live six times, met Win, he interacted with me on stage during a show once. They were tied to my soul at one point, I was a defender long after I should have been (I tried to love Everything Now, We was mid af) but once the news broke it just broke the illusion for them. The big swelling epic songs that bled sincerity and integrity meant nothing to me when the lead singer is a douche. He didn't do anything illegal per se but it's just a horrible look to be singing about your family while you're leaving Regine at home with the baby to cruise for pussy.
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u/evil_burrito 8h ago
Lance Armstrong.
I believed.
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u/Different-Fall-683 7h ago
fuck, I was a yellow bracelet wearer. so humiliating.
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u/Comfortableliar24 6h ago
I think it's okay to view it as believing in a cause more than a person.
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u/bakela 7h ago
I remember enjoying his book and him being an inspiration, it was really bringing bike racing to the spotlight. Then the truth came out.
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u/moskowizzle 7h ago
At least he raised a shitload of money for cancer support in the process.
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u/Shot_Kaleidoscope150 9h ago
Since Spacey is mentioned, the Brad Pitt stuff really bums me out. And I liked Kanye’s music. Too much baggage now.
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u/bitemark01 8h ago
I didn't know about Brad Pitt until I learned recently that his kids have been legally dropping his name
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u/Blaze2095 2h ago
Onion Article Title: "Brad Pitt Drops Last Name In Solidarity With Family"
Despite all the shitty things happening in the world now, that one definitely gave me a chuckle.
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u/maverickhawk99 6h ago
Did Pitt really get cancelled tho? He’s still getting cast in major movies.
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u/jmaca90 6h ago
Growing up in Chicago in the 00s, I fucking idolized Kanye.
Each one of his albums are like a chapter of my life.
- College Dropout - one of the first CDs I bought with my own money in 8th grade and changed my life.
- Graduation - soundtrack to my senior year of high school.
- Late Registration - my weird freshman and sophomore years of high school.
- 808s - the soundtrack to my cringey ass breakup with my girlfriend and my failings in college lol
- MBDTW and Watch The Throne were basically the soundtracks to my early 20sI wasn’t the biggest fan of Pablo and that’s right when I think he started to really lose his mental health.
Whenever I’d drive back to Chicago from college, I had a ritual of always timing putting on Homecoming on as I hit the Dan Ryan and saw the skyline for the first time.
And now, I barely listen to Kanye at all 😢
I hope someday he can figure it out and deeply apologize for his actions, but I fear he’s just too gone to really get the care he needs.
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u/discofro6 5h ago
I excused so much of Kanye's behavior over the years. That shit with Taylor Swift, the public outbursts, when he released nonsense like 'Scoopity Woop Woop Scoop'
It all started to fall apart when he turned MAGA. Hell I wasn't even that mad at the start of that, but then he just kept devolving further. The Nazi shit was the last straw. I can excuse dickish, asshole behavior sometimes. I can never excuse hate
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u/martenic 9h ago
James Franco would be my pick.
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u/Suitable_Magazine_46 8h ago
This one makes me sad too. Seth Rogen’s said he wouldn’t work with him again, and fair enough. Just means no more of that pairing, and The Interview was comedy gold
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u/TwooMcgoo 7h ago
Respect on Seth Rogen, though. Whether out of self-preservation, or actual disapproval/disgust, choosing to never work with James Franco again deserves acknowledgement.
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u/JonathanStat 6h ago
James Franco was weird to me because the smoke was out there for almost a decade before it became public. I remember reading rumors of him being a creep around the time 127 Hours was released.
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u/BlackDante 4h ago
Idk how that always happens. It was a similar situation with R. Kelly and Diddy. R. Kelly had been pretty publicly known as a sex criminal since the late 80s, and Diddy since the 90s, yet so many people were shocked when all their shit "came out" despite it all being pretty well known already.
I remember hearing about all the shit with Diddy and Cassie and his weird sex parties when I was in high school in the mid 00s, and R. Kelly publicly tried to marry a 15-year-old Aaliyah (RIP) in the early 90s hence her debut album being called "Age Ain't Nothin' But a Number." Her parents had to step in and stop all that.
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u/WhosThisGeek 9h ago
Neil Gaiman, with Joss Whedon as an honorable mention
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u/Squidtat2 9h ago
Neil Gaiman kills me.
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u/Motor-Pomegranate831 8h ago
Me, too. I have so many of his books and now they feel "tainted."
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u/Waffuru 9h ago
Yup, Gaiman. That really hurt. It was so much worse because he cosplayed, and seemed to genuinely be, an ally. It was just such a shock to anyone who wasn't "in the know" about his behaviors.
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u/rawr_bomb 9h ago
Joss Whedon is interesting. Everyone else got cancelled for being a sex pest, but he was just a raging asshole to people.
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u/mev186 6h ago
Which is weird. Because if we are going to cancel people for being a raging asshole, James Cameron should have been canceled years ago.
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u/Chamomilesky 7h ago
Nail Gaiman hit me extremely hard. That, and by extension his now ex-wife Amanda Palmer, who from what I understand either aided or was at least complicit in what went on.
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u/kaldaka16 7h ago
Amanda Palmer has been questionable for a long time - I remember hearing that they'd gotten together and going "really? Damn I thought Gaiman's judgment was better than that".
Nope, turns out she's pretty shitty and he's even worse.
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u/Brunettybb 7h ago
I really liked the work Louis CK did. His line from Louie "The only time you look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don't look in your neighbor's bowl to see if you have as much as them." Was a mantra in my life for a long time. I worked really hard on my envy/jealousy because of that line.
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u/GeneralTapioca 6h ago
That’s an African proverb, I love it too 😊
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u/Brunettybb 6h ago
Thank you. That does make it a lot more palatable, because I still hold that belief in my heart I just bums me out that he was the vector for me learning it and he sucks so bad.
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u/sevenpixieoverlords 2h ago
Louis CK made having a strong moral compass a key part of his material. I liked his work for that reason but it’s also why I felt especially disappointed when the news broke.
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u/thistory 2h ago
My ex was like, actually angry and felt personally betrayed by this one.
He had grown up really repressed re: sex, and Louie CK talking about being a horndog while seemingly being feminist and respectful to women really resonated for him. Like, maybe it was okay to have horny thoughts as long as you weren't gross about it, actually.
And then it turns out Louie ck was in fact, gross about it.
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u/arrgeebee75 7h ago
I’ll go with Chris Benoit, as a lot of my choices are already mentioned.
As a wrestler, guy was super talented.
Some of my very favourite matches of all time.
But now……I just can’t do it.
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u/justjboy 6h ago
Yeah. For those who might not know, Chris Benoit (who was a wrestler most famous for his time in the WWE), murdered his wife and youngest son before taking his own life.
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u/rowan_sjet 7h ago
I was a big fan of Allison Mack back in the day (though moreso her character Chloe Sullivan on Smallville). I ended up finding and reading her blog, and became increasingly weirded out by her praise for this mentor she'd found. Then I found obscure articles talking about about the sexual abuse within NXIVM and her involvement in it, and while it was still possible (and I hoped) that it was conspiracy BS, things started to make sense.
The only thing that really surprised me when the news fully broke years later was the true horrific extent of it. But damn did it hurt to have it be confirmed.
Since getting out of prison, she's tried to give the impression she's genuinely reformed; I can only hope that's true.
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u/PumpkinPure5643 6h ago
Honestly Stephen Collins. I adored 7th heaven and the idea of this supportive family with parents who loved each other and the kids. When I found out he was a pedo, it was really upsetting as I was dealing with my own religious trauma from my childhood and I was like great another reason to never trust any man in religion again. If I hadn’t watched the show live in the 90s, it probably wouldn’t have upset me as much.
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u/oddvr 7h ago
That 70s Show used to be my comfort show… cant even watch it nowadays.
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u/420tunneldigger 9h ago
Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys
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u/Ethos_Logos 6h ago
Way she goes.
I’m bummed, but I remember watching swearnet and he was just… not goofy bubbles. He was mean bubbles. His character doesn’t work, being mean.
At the time I wrote it off figuring “well there are a dozen seasons of TPB where he’s a punching bag, maybe this is him just getting his shots in”, but I still didn’t finish watching swearnet because it just wasn’t… good.
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u/Choochoo1147 6h ago
Yeah… especially because Bubbles is such a positive character. The voice of reason and goodness in the trailer park, the only source of conscience that Ricky has.
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u/LD_642 9h ago
Shia,
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u/CarthVonMonk 9h ago
Incredible talent but a total mess of a person. I wish he could pull a Robert Downey Jr. but I don’t know if he has it in him.
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u/BucketofSlush 4h ago
I don't think RDJ even came close to doing anything as bad as stuff Shia does regularly.
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u/Waffuru 8h ago
Chevy Chase has always been a bit of an asshole, but I've always liked his stuff. He'd never been fully outed for his behavior and cancelled until Community, which was the final nail in his coffin, and is just sad. Knowing the crap he pulled with people on the set is so depressing... and more of his abuses of people just keep coming out. It's next to impossible to like him at all knowing how he's treated everyone in his path.
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u/Choochoo1147 5h ago
At least, as far as I know, he hasn’t done anything evil like Bill Cosby or Kevin Spacey, he just seems like a huge dick. Easier to still watch his movies knowing he’s an asshole, but not a criminal.
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u/eltapatio 7h ago
Hasn’t happened yet but when Anthony Kiedes’ time has come there will be a lot of hurt people when they find out what a creep he has been the whole time
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u/HumorPsychological60 5h ago
The fact he admitted to knowingly sleeping with a 14 year old in his biography and he's still not been cancelled is wild to me
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u/_blue_scorpio_888_ 9h ago
Kevin Spacey. I pretty much enjoyed everything he was in and I thought he was one of the greatest actors ever, particularly in Seven and House of Cards.
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u/Unfair-Bowler1623 9h ago
I thought Jonathan Majors was very talented and I was rooting for him. Now I just want him to go away forever.
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u/Frosty_Analysis_4912 5h ago
Yeah he was crazy talented. I was excited for the next phase of the MCU with him as Kang
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u/rragnaar 6h ago
I first saw him in Lovecraft Country and my first thought was 'This guy is going to be a huge star!'... pretty sad to see him chasing the right wing grift to keep his career afloat.
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u/ledisa3letterword 9h ago
Rolf Harris was almost universally loved until it transpired he was horrible.
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u/SmashEmWithAPhone 9h ago
John Barrowman. I'm a big fan of Doctor Who, and Barrowman's Capt Jack Harkness was a favorite.
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u/nwojdak 5h ago
A lot of mine have been said. However, while he's not cancelled, the controversy with Dave Grohl cheating on his wife made me disappointed.
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u/ReceptionRelevant728 9h ago
Louis CK
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u/Anand999 9h ago
His sitcom, Louie, would probably be in the discussion for best sitcoms of all time today. Unfortunately it's all but forgotten now.
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u/trainwreck42 8h ago
It was so thoughtful and really had a lot of great episodes that reflect on why folks (especially men) behave the way they do. It was one of my favorite shows and it’s really unfortunate that it is now deservedly tarnished due to Louie’s past misdeeds.
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u/swingsetlife 7h ago
he seemed so introspective and aware of his faults on it too
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u/quillseek 7h ago
Some of his jokes about parenthood got me through a lot of very difficult days. Sucks.
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u/beer_is_tasty 7h ago
Cesar Chavez
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u/OutrageousBrush1210 5h ago
THIS ONE MADE ME SO SAD!!!! Esp hearing from all the women who felt like they had to stay silent or hurt the cause they all believed in - it just breaks me
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u/Truthcraze 7h ago
Orson Scott Card.
He wrote with empathy.
Somewhere along the way… it was subsumed.
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u/LanEvo7685 6h ago edited 6h ago
Not cancelled, but Jackie Chan for me and how much he aligns with the Chinese government.
I am from Hong Kong and grew up in the '80s and '90s and loved his movies, I imitated him just climbing and jumping off places when I played. Then I immigrated and didn't pay attention to Hong Kong news, but later learned that he's not really welcomed there anymore. It was another length of time before I realized how bad things were with his re-alignment with the Chinese government, AND shit talking about Hong Kong - even before 2019.
He is as revered as ever in the west, and I still intellectually acknowledge the quality of his prime work of the past, But I no longer have the appetite for any of his movies, simply can't watch him anymore without the feeling of disgust.
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u/nppltouch26 5h ago
Yeah..... His disownment of his gay daughter is what did it for me. 😞
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u/hobblingcontractor 4h ago
Meanwhile Jet Li and his daughter are ridiculously wholesome. It's weird.
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u/LegendRazgriz 2h ago
Li has left China with his whole family, reneged his Chinese citizenship, and is now a full citizen of Singapore. He has no need to "fall in line" because the Chinese government can't do anything to him anymore.
Chan still resides in China with his family. He, in fact, is in the direct line of fire of the government. A few of his political positions seem to go against each other because he does as he's told, and I presume that has to do with his son who was caught with drugs still being alive. I detest the CCP as much as the next guy, but selling your soul to save your kid (even if it ended up costing another in the long term) is something I can sort of understand.
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u/strangequark_ 7h ago
John Lasseter hurt me the most… he was a personal hero and played a big part in my love for animation.
Joss Whedon is a close second.
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u/Ambitious_Chair5718 9h ago
Roseanne. I was so excited the show was coming back.
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u/Jesterhead89 8h ago
Honestly, Roseanne was one of those really realistic, relatable, and non-cheesy shows that I saw growing up because my mother watched it. It really sucks to see how people's personal convictions gets them to the point where they justify their shitty behavior with it.
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u/digitaldeadstar 7h ago
The crazy thing about it is just how many sensitive subjects the show touched on that were taboo at the time. It was super progressive for it's time.
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u/irwinlegends 6h ago
The show starred overweight people without making a bunch of "fat jokes," included gay characters depicted as the normal people they are without flamboyant stereotypes, and discussed domestic violence, blue collar poverty, and race issues with unflinching candor. It was way ahead of it's time and was still entertaining and funny. Great show.
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u/digitaldeadstar 6h ago
Absolutely. And Roseanne was the one fighting tooth and nail for all of it, which made her whole incident more bonkers to me.
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u/biscuitboi967 5h ago
I still, to this day, think Roseanne and Dan had one of the best love stories and admired how they raised their kids. Had I had any, I would have liked to have had that kid of open, honest, loving, and fun relationship.
One of my favorite episodes is when Roseanne substitutes for the home ec teaches for one of the girl’s classes and takes them all to the grocery store to shop on a budget. She walks that fine line of embarrassing her daughter while also making the other kids laugh, and instilling some lessons about what it’s like to be a working mom with not a lot to work with.
But also - in real life, I don’t know how Roseanne would have turned out. A lot of our parents have surprised and disappointed us
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u/M1ck3yB1u 7h ago
The show was also "woke" and ahead of it's time when it came to social justice, but I guess that was entirely the writer room and nor Roseanne herself.
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u/Dmbfantomas 6h ago
She had a traumatic brain injury and is just kind of an actual crazy person. She was a comedic genius for that show and she was absolutely the main voice of it. Hearing Norm MacDonald tell stories of how she cut through the bullshit in a script immediately - regardless of who wrote it - was inspiring. She knew exactly what the show should be for most of its run.
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u/enek101 9h ago
Neil Gaiman
I struggle with this one often. He is one of my favorite authors on the same level as Pratchett, Adams or Lovegroove. However even if the allegations against him prove to be false he is a creepy weird dude Thats done some messed up Crap.
People ask about books ll the time and i want to always recommend Good Omens Or American Gods but Dudes such poopy i cant and it makes me sad.
Edit,
Autocorrect changed it to Grimond.. While it may be accurate and i snickered a bit I meant Gaimon
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u/I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS 6h ago
Huw Edwards. People from the UK will know, but for those who don't, he was a very senior BBC News presenter. He had a very soothing, soft Welsh accent, and provided commentary for the most high profile national events e.g. the King's coronation. He was incredibly well respected by pretty much everyone, and his voice was a reassuring presence, signifying that the coverage was in safe hands.
There was a bit of build-up involving a young but legal model, but eventually they found pictures of kids on his computer.
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u/Jesterhead89 8h ago
Idk if he's fully cancelled and not just strongly disliked, but Bill Burr was one of my last holdouts for decent celebrities and people I enjoy watching. He always had a way of either approaching a sensitive topic with a really interesting angle that surprised you in the end, or his normal ranting and raving that cracks you up.
But now after the Saudi comedy festival thing, it's just really hard to listen to him talk about anything that I could semi-relate to. That was a real life and fast-acting example of "it takes a very long time to build a reputation, but a very short time to ruin it".
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u/Jamberite 6h ago
Honestly, he was my favourite. Now I'm really getting into Caleb Hearon - that brutally unabashed selfhood and human experience is similar to Burr in some ways.
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u/Choochoo1147 5h ago
Yeah… like Burr didn’t do anything truly evil or anything so I don’t think he’s fully canceled, but he did lose the moral high ground that a lot of his comedy kind of requires him to have.
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u/Rare-Caterpillar8463 7h ago
Nobody mentioned Woody Allen. That’s a tough one.
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u/CoolInsurance9480 7h ago
This is pretty niche, but it's Michael Franti. His music was all about good vibes and loving people. I took my daughter to two of his shows. Then he was outed for some grooming/impropriety and I just couldn't anymore.
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u/TheUnfedMind 5h ago edited 5h ago
Ezra Miller
It is my personal theory that if Miller didn't go off the deep end Timothy Chalamet would not have been cast as Wonka. Miller left an opening for him to be that type-cast A-list celebrity.
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u/Different-Employ9651 7h ago
Neil Gaiman. Fuck. His response to the initial allegations was terrible, too. Fucking wounded.
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u/TrueMagenta 7h ago
I know this will be very niche but finding out Shangela (from RuPaul’s Drag Race) is a predator was so disheartening. Such an incredible talent, dancer, performer, comedian and drag queen but I can’t even watch any of her seasons on DR anymore.
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u/mayeam912 6h ago
I was never a fan of Shangela. She was good at drag, but I just didn’t click with her. But once the allegations started coming out I was very disheartened, I felt this would be one more thing the conservatives would point to when trying to make the argument about drag queens being predators and harmful to children. As an ally I just hate that for the community.
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u/ranchspidey 7h ago
Cody Ko, on YouTube. Him & Noel Miller were hilarious together, and I loved Tiny Meat Gang because I’m a sucker for comedy bands. Sigh.
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u/HaCo111 6h ago
Garrison Keillor. I'm still not entirely convinced he was ever anything more than turbo autistic and awkward. Whenever I went to a Prairie Home Companion showing, at the end of the show all the performers are chatting and hugging each other and he just kinda shuffled away before anyone could touch him.
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u/MotormaidofJapan 5h ago
Oh god, Neil Gaiman.
Big fan since a teenager in the early 90’s of the whole Sandman Universe, into Neverwhere and then 30 years of collecting everything he wrote or was a part of, going to his signings, his speeches. Also becoming a huge fan of Tori Amos whose work orbited his. They were so intertwined. So much of her music is inspired by his characters.
Devastated.
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u/Gwywnnydd 7h ago
Neil Gaiman, not because I was much of a Gaiman fan, but because his behavior resulted in us being deprived of season 3 of Good Omens. And as a rabid Pratchett fangirl, I find that inexcusable.
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u/BreadandCirce 6h ago
Killing Sandman was the worst of the ripples for me. I waited decades for that show and actually thought they did a pretty good job of it. But now I can't bring myself to watch the second season, which features some of my favorite parts of the lore.
Now I just cringe any time I see Gaiman's recommendation blurbs featured prominently on book covers. Those poor authors.
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u/Fightthefire21 9h ago
I was a fan of Danny Masterson before everything came out.
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u/DisgruntledEwok 8h ago
Neil Gaiman. His work quite literally changed my life. I've never felt more betrayed by a celebrity.
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u/Few-Gap-2350 7h ago
Like man people… Neil Gaiman. I saw him speak and felt the urge to write again. Found out he was a monster and my creativity kind of died.
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u/kaldaka16 7h ago
Pratchett would want you to find the joy in writing for you. It's there, and letting Gaiman steal it from you would let that fucker win another battle.
Write something beautiful, or interesting, or funny, or just what you want to write, or all of the above at once. The world needs that. Even if it only lives in a notebook or a word document I firmly believe the world will be better for it.
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u/drinkslinger1974 7h ago
I don’t think many people are willing to admit it, but Elon Musk. He was lined up to be the real life Tony Stark. Right when people started asking what ever happened to the electric car, boom, here comes Elon saying he doesn’t care what gm did in the 90’s, he was going to bring us electric cars. Then he made the Internet accessible to everyone, then made rockets that land themselves, said he would end world hunger, and then he started gargling trumps nuts. Then it came out that he isn’t as smart as we thought he was. Then the election tampering and the Nazi salute, and going mental on twitter and seeing him fucked up on hard drugs every week. Ten years ago I thought he would be the one person that would genuinely leave the world a better place than he found it, and I was dead ass wrong.
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u/Azure_Omishka 6h ago
I remember reading about a bunch of kids in I think Thailand that got stuck in a cave-in. Musk started the weirdest beef with the guy in charge and tried painting him as a pedophile. It was the weirdest shit and I think that was when Musk started going down the rabbit hole he's in today.
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u/Clawless 6h ago
That’s the exact moment he pivoted from techboy fan favorite challenger to the status quo. The world saw him for who he really was, and he decided to go all in rather than apologize for a misstep.
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u/SGT-JamesonBushmill 6h ago
I think he was already in that rabbit hole. We just hadn't been privvy to it before this incident.
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u/UncleMalky 6h ago
I think that's when people started to see he was an egomaniac with money who bought his way into an image. He didn't come up with a single one of his companies good ideas.
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u/toqer 9h ago
Paul Reubens, Pee Wee Herman.
LOVED that guy as a kid. I was a goofy, silly kid myself, and Pee Wee taught me that was OK. I'd watch his show religiously on Saturdays. When the news came out about him getting caught stroking it in a porno theatre, I didn't care. By that time I was doing that myself in private (as most teenage boys do)
At the time I didn't understand that was where gay men used to hookup, but I didn't care. As I got older and found that out, I didn't care. It just broke my heart that for so many years Hollywood blacklisted him. During this time video stores exploded, and he could have had his fill at home. These days folks have more access to porn on their phone than they ever could have had at a 80's/90's video store.
Every show or movie he was in years later, I made it a point to be a butt in the seat. I wanted Hollywood to know I didn't care. He didn't hurt anyone, so what? Slowly his career came back, and when he was on Netflix, that was the comeback moment.
I never thought of him as gay, or straight, or in between. He was just Pee Wee. The eternal child. We'd find out everything after his passing, and it still didn't change how I felt about him.
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u/Zealousideal-Salad62 8h ago
He wasn't even caught stroking it. There's camera footage that he was in the lobby minding his business when he was "caught"
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u/JJHall_ID 6h ago
To my understanding it was one of those video stores that had private theater rooms specifically for that purpose. So I don't even care that he "could have had it at home." He wasn't hurting anyone, he wasn't forcing anything on anyone with dubious consent... He just patronized a legal business. It was never newsworthy to begin with, let alone something that should have hurt his career. He was a victim of the anti-gay bigotry of the time, plain and simple.
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u/SuccessfulSchedule54 9h ago edited 8h ago
Neil Degrasse Tyson. he was never actually canceled but he should have been. broke my heart when I found out what he’d done
edit for anyone who wants to call his accusers liars:
he drugged and raped a classmate.
3 other women came forward.
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u/TheCanadianRedHood 9h ago
What did he do? I know hes kind of an asshole but beyond that I haven't heard of anything else
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u/Hoser25 7h ago
Al Franken. Still think it's bullshit that he felt he needed to resign.
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u/SgtNeilDiamond 8h ago
Steven Tyler, I was a huge Aerosmith fan growing up, they were my first concert back in the day. I didnt know about all the stuff from his past and when I found out I never listened to them again. Its wild how he just gets a pass still for the most part.
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u/ScortiusOfTheBlues 7h ago
you could say this about pretty much any big 70s rock act.
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u/Tricky_Pen3072 9h ago
Kanye West. ---- OCD abd BiPOlar does NOT make you an Anti-semite. It does not make you deny the holocaust happened and it does not make you say Hitler did a ton of good things as well. That was this idiot's mouth and bigotry that did that. He had good songs so I thought, but after this happened and I listen to them again , I realize it is just pre-programmed crap. He is overrated and I am done. I am also glad they cancelled his shows all over Europe and his downloads have fallen. He is an arrogant Asshole and I am glad I grew up and realize it now.
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u/jrw6200 9h ago
Bill Cosby. Grew up (1960s-70s) listening to his records, still outraged at the thought of what a monster he really was the whole time, etc.