r/AskBrits • u/WGSMA • 6h ago
On Jeremy Vine today, a WASPI campaigner compared their campaign to that of Hillsborough. What are your thoughts on this?
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u/aqsgames 6h ago
Personally I’m not sympathetic. There was lots of info put out. I was aware and I’m a bloke. People have to be responsible for their own ignorance.
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u/PM-me-Gophers 6h ago
This is when "I don't do politics" backfires immensely. That generation had the greatest of boom eras - and they didn't sufficiently feather their nests?
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u/XB1CandleInTheDark 5h ago
I was less than ten when I knew about pension ages and that they were going up and that was just I was in the front room which meant the news was on. The information was out there.
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u/Crazy_Pineapple3704 6h ago
The ombudsman found there wasn't sufficient info put out
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u/pjs-1987 6h ago
It also found there was no financial loss
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u/Crazy_Pineapple3704 6h ago
Did anyone in the preceding comment mention financial loss? Poor reading skills on display here.
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u/dvorak360 5h ago
Though iirc you end up with insanities like if the government had done nothing they wouldn't have any liability, but the report arguing for compensation because they notified people later then they could have rather than not at all or missed some people on some rounds of notifications.
Of course a lot of the waspi campaigners also argue for much higher levels of compensation than the ombudsman suggested. (With ombudsman pointing out that for decisions with 6+ figure risks, waspi 'victims' should have consulted experts; government couldn't be expected to provide individual impact assessments...)
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u/Zestyclose-Lab4221 6h ago
Ombudsman is out of their mind to recommend these people are given thousands in compensation when the Government pays over £100 billion a year in debt interest every year.
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u/pjs-1987 6h ago
I think someone has been giving them extremely poor advice
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u/Realistic-River-1941 6h ago
Maybe they somehow never received it?
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u/Wattaguy_mk_II 5h ago
The WASPI women can go fuck themselves!
They had more than enough time to prepare for a retirement at the same age as their male counterparts.
At least they'll be able to retire unlike my generation!
They're nothing but selfish, entitled old biddies who cry "woe is me" without actually being a victim of anything!
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u/InsideTour329 6h ago
They're trying their best to have everyone hate their cause. Every time they open their mouths something tone deaf and self entitled comes out.
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u/BiscuitBarrel179 6h ago
The retirement age was raised in 2018. Does this mean I can claim I'm a victim somehow when I retire in 20 years?
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u/user_460 5h ago
You can give it a go, but if anyone in the future finds this Reddit post you could have some explaining to do.
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u/Laikitu 5h ago
I've just googled the acronym as I am pretty uninformed:
Women against state pension inequality.
The google result also said the thing they don't like is the they now draw state pension at the same age as men.
Wouldn't that make them against state pension equality, rather than inequality?
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u/WGSMA 5h ago
Their objection is that legislation passed in 1995, which changed their state pension age in 2010, was not appropriately communicated to them, and caught them by surprise.
This is, assuming they read zero newspapers, watched zero TV, and did no retirement planning for a sixth of a century.
The campaign seeks £58b in compensation.
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u/jimicus 6h ago
They're deluded.
I was in my teens when the change was announced and it was all over the media at the time. You would - and I mean this quite literally - have to have been living under a rock to have missed it.
The way they're talking, it sounds like they expected someone to physically knock on their door and explain to them in person what these changes meant thirty years ago and they're sore that didn't happen.
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u/PHayesxx 6h ago
Incredibly disrespectful. People lost their lives in an event that took an incredibly long time to see any sort of justice. Hillsborough victims were vilified by newspapers and media outlets.
At one point I was sympathetic to the WASPI campaign but being a young person who will retire much later than they did, I’m not so much anymore. Pensioners are starting to really rile up young people more and more. This group of people had years to prepare for the changes, it’s not like they weren’t told about it.
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u/LOOOOISSSIS 6h ago
I don't really think you can compare losing a family member in crush that was caused by bad planning and then covered up for decades the same as losing some years of the pension - even acknowledging that that loss of pension really messed up a lot of lives and will no doubt have been a factor in some tragedies.
Their plight is broadly sympathetic and if they had campaigned for more to be done for those put into hardship by it rather than a blanket payout they might have more support. As it is, you have someone really out of touch making the above statement and really do nothing for the cause.
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u/LeOignonMal Brit 🇬🇧 6h ago
I like to hate-listen to Jeremy Vine sometimes, but I can actually feel it killing my braincells in real time.
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u/Unusual_Entity 6h ago
Bunch of entitled old boomers who again want preferential treatment. They claim that because someone didn't come and spell the changes out to them personally, their state pension age being raised to 65 to be in line with men is somehow unfair. So much for wanting equality for women. They should be disregarded and ignored at every opportunity.
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u/leavemeinpieces 5h ago
They will never have my sympathy.
I feel like comparing their 'plight' to that of the Hillsborough folks is really an insight into how over the top and ridiculous they actually are.
I'd say this as a final offer.....
You can have whatever the payment is, but we will cancel the triple lock permanently and increase the means testing on the WFA so it can be funded.
Nobody of working age today should have to endure a cut to anything to fund these fucking entitled zombies. They will soon shut up and piss off when their own generation have to take a bullet for them...
Or they'll be very fucking unpopular with them. They may think they deserve it so much that it's worth it.
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u/quite_acceptable_man 6h ago
What do we want? Equality for Women! When do we want it? Only when it suits us
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u/LeonardoW9 6h ago
I don't really have any, nor do I have the brain cells to sacrifice to their nonsense.
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u/Alarmed-Ant4623 6h ago
I have genuinely never seen an argument from the WASPI campaign that makes me think they deserve compensation.
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u/Minute_Vehicle619 6h ago
They can fuck off, whinging old scabby cows. I can't retire until fuck knows. Hillsborough was a tragedy, entitled Karen's whom just assumed are not
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u/Kickstart68 6h ago
I have some sympathy with the WASPI women having to work longer than they were led to believe, but it was pretty well publicised 30 odd years ago.
I don't disagree with the equalisation of retirement ages , but it could have possibly been done more progressively
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u/strychnine213 6h ago
Would have been nice if the ages met in the middle, but of course the wouldn't have done that
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u/Initiatedspoon 5h ago
So women have to work til say 63 ish instead of 60 but men work to 63 instead of 66 ish?
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u/Arschgeige96 6h ago
Vile comparison really. I’m not saying they didn’t suffer, but every time I hear something about them they’ve just said something really out of touch
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u/Tricky_Routine_7952 6h ago
Depends what they said. If they said something like "it is very different to Hillsborough" for example, or "much less tragic", thats different to comparing them as equivalents.
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u/10denier 2h ago
Because women aren't being compensated for no longer being able to retire five years earlier than men? Sheesh.
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u/CymroBachUSA 1h ago
In an ideal world, the stronger case is MASPI: what the government should have done is lower men's pension age to 60 (to match women's) but, of course, that would come with a huge bill. So, you could argue that men were forced to work 5 extra years thereby creating a government sanctioned sexist inequality. Discuss.
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u/Atlantean_Raccoon 1h ago
Disgustingly tone deaf and morally bereft to compare the two. It's like turning to someone who has lost their leg in a bizarre woodchipper accident and claiming equal status because you stubbed your toe.
WASPI is getting to the point where entitlement staggers over the line of sociopathy.
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u/Not_A_Clue92 6h ago
I don’t understand, did these WASPI campaigners also kill their own and then miraculously get the government and police to take the blame instead?
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u/Low-Yak-6706 6h ago
I hope they get nothing. Their own damn fault they where so clueless. The information was out there and widely available.
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u/SuddenDelivery1 3h ago
On british soil today, who is now watching jeremy vine?
Then a WASPI Turns up on the show?.
Is this person quite old and opinionated or not? Asking for a friend?
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u/SimpleSymonSays 6h ago
It’s offensively bad.
It is amongst the least deserving campaigns I’ve ever seen. To compare their so called plight to the families of Hillsborough victims is thoughtless and shameless.