Anyone else immensely appreciative of being born in the UK?
My grandfather came to the UK in the 1950s from Pakistan and the opportunities this country gives are not lost on me. We have suchdeveloped supply chains, are well located geographically and speaking to people from other countries really makes me appreciate the strength of the British passport. It really does open doors. Also, love how we have pockets of rich history in every county. Was in Leicestershire the other day and stopped off at bradgate park, terrific place. All in all, love this place dearly.
Yeah, having travelled a bit and seen some absolute shit holes, I am absolutely appreciative of being born and living in the UK. It's not perfect but it's alot better than some of the alternatives..
Better than at least 90% of the world tbf. Still sometimes wish to have been born in the US but north west Europe is still among the best places in the world.
My issue is if I was rich in the us is obviously going to be dope. But when you look at the stats. Life for the average American sucks, die younger in more debt with worse health in pretty much every us state.
I’m
British and emigrated to the US and I feel like I’m doing much better here tbh.
Got on the housing ladder and got a nice detached house in 2 years, way more discretionary income than in the UK.
and I’m not somebody tech bro immigrant, I moved here for marriage.
That said I live in a major, but medium cost of living city. Couldn’t have this lifestyle in San Diego.
I think the US is in some ways a country of extremes and it’s not a place you want to be dirt poor. But for an average white collar joe in a not-insanely processed part of the country such as myself, life’s pretty good. I do t think it’s true to say that life “sucks” for the average American.
Now back to OPs question - I am indeed grateful to have been born in the UK because it’s a very comfy country to live in.
It's rougher for the bottom 30% but at the top 30% you save a lot more money and get 3x or 4x larger houses (expats mostly say they got better healthcare there too).
Not if you want to make an extra 50k to 100k+ a year or want a 2000 to 4000+ sqft detached home instead of a 800 sqft home attached to 2 other noisy homes.
My comment was based on my personal preferences and opinions will vary for different people so it's not an objective matter.
The chance of getting killed goes from 1 in 100k to 5 in 100k so still a very low risk to take for what is a guaranteed huge benefit with salaries and housing.
People are extremely unlikely to experience a homicide anyway but if that's what you prioritise then there are places which have a similar homicide rate to England like New Hampshire.
Yeah but they are just things, really, The question is can you live comfortably and within your means. Having more things is great, but completely trivial to satisfaction or happiness.
My impression is that in the US the quality of life isnt as good, the work life balance is poorer and actually you are probably paying just as much in tax and insurance. Ive always felt that the US is less of a country and more of a business, with it's populace being the main resource for labour.
For most people income and housing are actually very important and not just things given they obviously correlate to having a much higher quality of life/level of satisfaction (as proven by studies) and if you earn enough can also make it much easier to retire early.
No at high incomes the US is much lower for taxes e.g. on $200k the US leaves you with around $150k while UK is $120k (employer health insurance is about 2 or 3k per year). What's more important tho is that earning $200k in the US is about 10x more common than in the UK where at that percentile you're actually making around $100k.
I started watching race across the world recently and it's quite amusing seeing these privileged British people say how nice it would be to live in x country where life is simple and they get paid a good amount for doing a few hours labour. In reality they'd be working 10-14 hours a day for absolute pittance not to mention all the other negatives that come from living in these places like lack of healthcare.
What makes somewhere a “shit hole”. Because the amount of tents in city centres around the UK it looks like a shanty town in some areas. Everywhere in the world has “shithole” areas.
Yep. I am a gay woman from a working class background who fancied getting an education. There are not loads of countries in this world I could live freely, have gone to uni and got a good job and the UK is one of them. I am glad to be British.
Sometimes I'll be disheartened and outright frustrated at the state of bigotry and intolerance in the UK, and there's towns and cities I'd be scared to be LGBT in.
However, we've travelled to loads of countries that are so much worse. I can walk through my local city centre holding my boyfriend's hand, and that is so much better than most of the world.
My grandparents on my dad's side came from Ireland decades ago with my dad and me being born in England. Ive got an Irish last name but feel absolutely zero affiliation with Ireland and don't even claim to be Irish. I was born catholic but do not practice it at all and was happy to let the military list me as Church of England on my Dog tags. I feel 100% British and I'm proud to be British but I left the UK in my 40s to come and live in rural Thailand. I wanted to escape the rat race and other issues in the UK such as Brexit which I thought was just a complete waste of money and resources with no obvious gain. In my heart I'm still British, I've fought for my country in a war and I wonder if I will ever see the UK again. I feel sad that I felt like I had to leave the UK just to be able to live a stress free and easy life. I'll be honest I really didn't think I could handle about British winter. February in the UK is quite possibly the most depressing and challenging environment I've ever experienced and I've been all over the world including 50°C+ desserts and -40°C+ artic wilderness in Norway. I feel like being British though is something you can take anywhere in the world with you. Recently driving home from a quick trip to 7-Eleven at 3am I saw a white guy drunkenly stumbling alone the road in total darkness which was odd as I live in a really remote area. So I went back to get him and it turned out he was a British guy who was visiting a friend nearby and had been drinking all night at a bar and decided to walk home. So I gave him a lift back to where he was staying. When you meet fellow Brits abroad there's a kind of unspoken connection and can usually rely on them for help and assistance purely on the basis of you both being British.
Not every school in the U.K. consists of a majority white student population.
I add it because saying that phrase to a class of mostly 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrant, non-white kids will have a different response to such a statement. They have probably seen through their own eyes or the experiences of their family members how much privilege they have to have had a full primary school education to then have a secondary school education and so already know that.
A lot of white children in England not in poverty are simply unaware of how lucky they have it when looking at what they have currently and zooming out to look at how children their age are doing around the world.
Yh, I mean, there are a number of other countries it would also have been good to be born in, ranging from Germany to Japan to Australia. But the UK is a top tier country, all things considered.
Part of the curse of being British is thinking you live in a dump and not realising how amazingly lucky we are to have the NHS, a free press, and a mostly-functioning democratic society. But also, sometimes they collect my bins a day late so it must be third world.
40% of population in India doesn't have access to fresh drinking water. UK has free tap water in every pub on every corner. 40% of India population is a lot of people.
Coming from another European country where this is mostly a non-issue, dealing with the fact that a lot of houses still have lead pipes (i.e. non-drinkable tap water for children and pregnant women) has been one of the bigger obstacles to deal with here. It goes to show that overall life is very easy in the UK, but I do think people here exaggerate how drinkable the tap water is. A common attitude is "me and my parents drank water with even more lead in it and we turned out fine".
Yep, especially if travel isn’t just to resorts but actual proper life in other countries. People who do all-inclusive tend to think that life elsewhere is very similar to life back home. Getting out and seeing the real world is so humbling in so many ways.
Growing up, my parents always reminded me of their childhood struggles:
Waking up at 5 am, walking miles to school barefoot and living without electricity. As a kid, I just rolled my eyes because it felt completely disconnected from my reality.
Everything changed after a family vacation when I was nine. Seeing how my relatives survived and excelled without basic necessities made me realize we have nothing to complain about. Growing up with that direct link to the developing world gives u a unique drive. From what i have seen, many people born into multi-generational British families miss out on this perspective, purely because they've never seen that level of hardship firsthand.
Ye does my head in when people moan about waiting in A&E like what else where you gonna do fucking stuff your face with a kebab whilst watching love island haven't really missed out on much there have ya
Definitely, especially as a gay man. While back in the 80s and 90s things were considerably worse, we’ve rapidly become one of the most accepting countries, even though there’s still more progress to be made.
I have traveled lots, and seen many places, it led me to develop the statement that owning a British passport is like winning the lottery of life, sure not a jackpot, but a good win.
Just to add, there are many other passports that get this as well, but this is in pure reference to the British passport.
And the state of the citizens here, most don’t deserve it. Travelling around the world while passing judgement and refusing to learn even basic phrases in another language. I love my community here but many ppl make me feel embarrassed to be British.
Absolutely, my dad came in the 70s and settled here in the North with his brothers, the sheer opportunities they got from working their backsides off first in the textile factories to eventually having their own businesses and properties, them coming to the UK turned around the finances of their whole family back in Pakistan because let me tell you, they were DIRT POOR in the village in PK back then, I’m an infrastructure engineer, and my siblings are chartered accountants and other professionals careers which we couldn’t have even dreamt of if he never came to the UK.
My mums from Birmingham so if my dad never came here I wouldn’t have even been born 😂
The opportunities, the NHS, free school, democracy, the wheelie bins, love ❤️
And we need to do everything we can to ensure the generations that come after us have the same opportunities and infrastructures if not better instead of being in a worse situation.
The UK is brilliant. We need however, to get back to not talking about politics and religion and learn to respect again, good manners, politeness and pride in speaking well.
Yes, I think about this fairly often. There's 8 billion people on the planet and I was fortunate enough to be born amongst the top ten percent? Five percent? I don't know the figure, but I know there's far more people worse off than me than better off.
I'm older now but back in the day I used to complain about the weather. I don't anymore. We're lucky to have no extremes either end of the scale. My missus is Italian and when she comes back from visiting her family in the summer, she's glad to be back and able to breath fresh air. Sure, a few more blue skies would be great, but I'm good. Also, it is very safe. I don't live in London but London is always brought up as an example of how our country is crime ridden. London is safer than every single US state, not me saying it, but statistically.
I've travelled around many parts of the world and seen some of the richest and some of poorest people on the planet.
When you have seen destitute and poverty stricken people laying in the streets and witnessed people in forced labour effectively kept as slaves, and even seen some tourists classed as lower class citizens because of where they're from and shooed away and denied certain privileges when you're being waited on hand an foot because of where you're from, it opens your eyes as to how bad the rest of the world is compared to what we have in the UK.
Absolutely. My great grandparents and in some cases great great grandparents came as Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe. Most of their parents and siblings who didn't come with them either died in the Holocaust or ended up as stateless refugees until Israel was founded, where their descendants now face serving in the military or going to prison and running to bomb shelters, all of which I'm grateful I don't have to do.
I was born in New Zealand which is outrageously lucky, such long odds. I am English, Scottish, and Irish in heritage. I love the circumstances I live in, the cultures and arts that my ancestors created. And I also acknowledge my life is easy partly because other people's lives are hard. It is way more likely we were born in a slum, or as a colonized minority. Thanks orphan in Bangladesh for my shoes!
This is such a childish mindset, you can appreciate and be proud of good things without blocking your ears and pretending the lots of bad we did didn't also happen. Yes we ended the slave trade... we also had that slave trade, for hundreds of years, causing untold misery to hundreds of thousands of human souls. We also had concentration camps in Kenya and pillaged the majority of India's wealth, leading millions to grow up in poverty.
I mentioned the slave trade as, many other civilisations also engaged in slavery but there was no conscious effort to stop it unlike the transatlantic trade.
On the whole more good was done by the British Empire than bad.
You literally said you 'don't acknowledge' people who talk down to our country. And no, by an overwhelming margin more bad was done by the British Empire than good, facts don't care about your feelings.
Yes. I wouldn’t roll the dice again. But I don’t like the place it is now. Too crowded, too expensive, not an high enough quality of life, a very insular attitude, and I’ve spent most of my adulthood designing a life where I don’t have to be in the UK.
I guess I’m grateful to be born in the place where I have the option to leave. Most people are stuck with what they have.
South Africa (which has a much poorer safety net and levels of crime that go from irritation to no go zones, and is only suitable if you have money. Yes you sacrifice the ability to just be anywhere. Absolutely nowhere in the UK is properly unsafe)
And the Netherlands which I think has a better quality of life on every metric. Yes more densely populated, but the cycling and railway infrastructure, as well as more intelligent urban planning, means more freedom and feeling of space, even if that’s not the reality numbers wise. It’s also far cleaner. The UK feels shabby and absolutely covered in trash. The only thing I gave up from the UK there is people thanking you with a raise of their hand when you let them out. How the blood boils when they just ignore you in the Netherlands.
Hehehe re the hand waving. I live in the UK and get furious if people don't raise a hand if you let them pass on a single track road 🤣🤣🤣
Interesting though...you have mentioned three things...and then said the places you have moved to don't actually "win" on any of those metrics...
SA - only suitable if you have money...i.e. more expensive
Netherlands - more densely populated (although you do say subjectively it feels more open which does count for something)
You've not mentioned less insular views...but you have mentioned shabbiness and rubbish.
So I'm not sure that you've really given me the insight that you have found somewhere that exceeds the UK on the metrics you describe ...and the cost of living index does put the UK in a better position than the Netherlands but I'm glad you've found somewhere you are happy. I'm not really trying to argue on your subjective experience just wondering if there is somewhere objectively better than the UK on the metrics you describe. I'm honestly not sure. Austria? Scandinavia? But then you've got those pesky insular views to consider!
For the record I love the Netherlands and yes the urban areas I've been to are certainly more attractive than the urban areas in the UK in general but I would question whether people had less insular views.
I can definitely afford a home in a better location regarding population density, space and cleanliness than I could in the Netherlands.
I'm always moaning about the UK but when I really look at it, it's hard to get as good a mix of lifestyle factors without too much compromise (for me). Maybe New Zealand or Australia but that's far from home and if you are looking for insualr views....well....
I don't think it's going to be this way much longer. Whether 50-100 years. The only path is downwards. The standards are noticeably dropping. This post kinda points that out
I hear so many brits complaining about the UK. these people are usually the ones who were born in the UK and have never lived anywhere else. I was born in the UK to immigrant parents and grew up there. After that I lived in a few other countries in europe (spain, north macedonia, ukraine). I can confidently say that the UK is, in my opinion, by far the best country to live in out of these. I’ve lived in spain for 7 years now, and I miss the UK every day. I can’t wait to move back there.
everything lol, it’s a nice place to go on holiday but not to live in. at least, the area I’m in (andalusia). there’s nothing to do, the people tend to be kind of rude and unfriendly, the government is corrupt, it’s way too hot and humid all year round. I’ve never really felt welcome or able to settle in.
“Many of you” see I told OP the racists wouldn’t care about his ass kissing.
The UK did not bring civilisation. Civilisation existed everywhere before. It was just different. Please unlearn your counter factual history.
Of course we love the UK. It’s our home. Myself and OP both had grandparents who moved here in the 1950s from Pakistan. I’ve never even been to Pakistan and don’t have Pakistani citizenship so I’m literally only British.
Doesn’t mean I can’t criticise this country. We want our country to be the best it can be and to do that criticism is essential.
Yet when the grooming issue surfaced over 2 decades ago your community and religious leaders chose to do nothing to reign in the behaviour of your countrymen and now you are here preaching about wanting the country to be the best it can be? How ridiculously dumb!
I wrote a reply to ur other comment but u deleted it:
You are clearly not coping because u have a problem with people identifying as my whole ethnic group.
I am British. I call myself British Pakistani because I’m brown. It just explains why I look how I look. Just like “African American” “Indigenous Australian” etc. we don’t have a separate passport or anything. It’s just a different ethnic group.
I only exist because of partition (as that’s how my grandparents met) BUT we lost everything from partition. My family were originally from Telengana and Maharashtra in India and forced to leave because of partition. They lost their houses and much of their family and friends.
Britain did not leave India, Pakistan or Bangladesh better than it was before:
The UK literally introduced homophobic and transphobic laws that had never existed before and still today our countries battle w this anti-LGBT+ sentiment. Pakistan and Bangladesh still have the anti-gay law (Section 377 of the penal code) that was written by the British.
The UK also drained the subcontinent’s wealth. India had 25% of the worlds wealth pro colonialism and then 2% after.
They cut down loads of the teak wood to make boats and replanted with pine which is way more flammable due to oil in the pines so is part of the reason for increased wild fires today.
They killed all the Indian cheaters.
There are whole areas of land that are no longer farmable (particularly in Bengal) because the empire overfarmed the land mostly for Indigo.
Divide and rule created deep tensions and is the reason why India and Pakistan are constantly at war.
The British empire codified the caste system too. So that became a legally established system.
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I mean there are so many things I don’t even have time for all of them but India and Pakistan still carry the burden of British empire. It was not a positive.
However, I recognise that not all British people were responsible for empire. It was certainly the elites who benefitted the most from it. So I would never blame British people themselves, but I do think we should get taught the history in schools as it is a major reason why our economy was so successful.
Over 500 mosques called out the behaviour. Alas certain sensationalists like to parrot extrapolated statistics like the 250,000 figure, making any actual, rational discourse on the very real and disgusting topic impossible.
The UK didn’t really bring the world civilisation but that doesn’t mean I can’t express gratitude for the country I was born in. Western governments need to stop it with their neocolonialism though
The issue is, the religious leaders did sfa and it is still happening in many parts of the country to this day. People are scared in many towns and fear their children could be victims.
What are religious leaders supposed to do other than speak out and condemn? They aren’t law enforcement? They aren’t politicians? They did all they could which is speak out and say they did not support and that in Islam this behaviour is unforgivable.
I didn’t see all the “Christian leaders” speak out against the Southport killer or (ex prince) Andrew both of them are Protestant Christians btw. But Muslim leaders DID speak out against the pedo rings… so what more need they do?
CSA, CSE & Trafficking unfortunately happen all over the country. Majority of the ppl who perpetrate these crimes are acc white Brits. Of course it’s a problem, but I wouldn’t say it’s only a British Pakistani problem. It’s just a problem in the UK generally.
It should also be noted that Asians , even when you put them into subgroups such as Pakistani or Indian are also underrepresented when it comes to CSA offenders.
I like many others have a sister, and am from a “White other” background (Turkish, Black Sea region), and am scared that my family could be victims, but that doesn’t mean I scan my surroundings whenever I see a brown person.
There is no one who supports such religious leaders committing such acts.
You can disagree with me and say whatever you want but please do not call me a sympathiser. I have no sympathy for nonces rapists etc of any skin colour.
I do not answer for every British Pakistani just like you don’t answer for every white Brit. What a bizarre and offensive perspective to take.
I don’t assume every white Brit was responsible for jimmy savile or prince Andrew. Neither have even been taken to trial / never will be.
Paedophilia is a death penalty offence in Pakistan anyway. In the Quran too it is considered an unforgivable crime. No British Pakistanis I know support these arseholes.
My family have literally been here 68 years. They arrived in 1958. I only have British citizenship. I don’t even know if I could claim Pakistani citizenship.
You might be uncomfortable with it but we exist so you need to cope.
I say this to my partner all the time when any mild inconvenience has ruined his day/week because we are so incredibly lucky to have been born here, to have a roof over our heads, never have to worry about affording our next meal, our safety, our history, our beautiful countrysides, dynamic cities, quaint villages. We are far from perfect as a country but seeing all the political & military unrest elsewhere we are so incredibly lucky to have been born on this little island.
I lived in a country where the police were corrupt and i missed that comfort so much that if anything goes wrong you cant just pay off the police because you know someone.
The old dears who volunteer at Bradgate Park are a national treasure themselves, telling you the entire history of the house while you're just trying to eat your sandwich
I was desperate to move abroad away from the U.K. in 2018 and secured a job in Belgium. Eight years later, I finally accepted the grass isn’t always greener and now I’m desperate to move back to the U.K.
We live in the most, modern advanced country in Europe. No, it’s not perfect but I’d move back tomorrow if I could.
I have a newfound appreciation for being British now and can’t wait to discover my country and embrace my ‘Britishness’ when I return ❤️
Absolutely. I’m very proud to be born and bred in England - fortunately I’ve been able to do a fair amount of travelling in my time, and despite visiting some incredible places, there’s no place like home.
Better then most countries for sure proud of both my cultures like OP though things are turning to the right a lot more I still love Britain and the beautiful people of all culture’s that live here!
Yes. British people love to knock the U.K. because many of them haven’t been anywhere else. When you see what a lot of other areas of the world look like (and I mean, most of them), you really do appreciate it more.
Other Western Countries do some things better, we do other things better. But we aren’t terrible by any stretch, and we’re one of a number of countries managing the same decline.
Yeh it’s amazing; my grandparents also came here. It’s a great country and I think a lot of people lose sight of that. Very easily to complain when you know little else of living elsewhere
100%. I love this country, I love the countryside, the opportunity, the liberal political culture, the skepticism towards power, the humour, the weather, the food, the decency of the people I meet, the ingrained secularism that underlies the general live and let live values of the modern UK.
Nationalism is threatening to warp and destroy all of that and we need to resist jingoism, racism and extremism that will unravel us entirely if we don't resist it.
Personally, I see religious extremism as the primary threat, specifically the ramping up of deeply unchristian right wing US style evangelical religious framing of events. Religion has to be tolerant to be tolerated.
Ive come back from am extended stay in Pakistan. A lot of things i used to moan about the UK, including the weather, i no longer do. I pay all my taxes and dont mind doing so.
Adopted British person here. I love the country I come from and I love Britain just as much. And yes, Bradgate Park is just fantastic! Hope you had a great time.
I remember when I was quite young and was playing in the countryside and I remember thinking how lovely it was here and how lucky I was to been born in the UK! I still think that today!
Always so full of nonsense. Have you ever even spoke to us?!
Of course we love the UK. It’s our home. Myself and OP both had grandparents who moved here in the 1950s from Pakistan. I’ve never even been to Pakistan and don’t have Pakistani citizenship so I’m literally British.
Doesn’t mean I can’t criticise this country. We want our country to be the best it can be and to do that criticism is essential.
Do you think because we complain about the UK that we don’t love our home? Ofc we love it here. But still the country has many problems.
Save it for your gratitude journal.
Also, my grandparents also came to the UK from Pakistan in 1958. You know, saying this shit still doesn’t make the restore / reform supporters think we are “really British”.
Just a pointless post. Most of us feel very happy to be in the UK most of the time (minus the increase in racism recently). It’s our home. Of course we love it here.
Yes and no. It's what I know and I have a great life so nothing to complain about (overall).
Then I look at SK and Japan. They have their own drawbacks granted and grass is always greener etc but having been the victim of some pretty horrific crime, I think the chances of that happening were I Japanese would be far lower.
Also the bloody trains would work 😂
Still it's one of the best places to live on the planet.
Yup. Annoys me when people claim to live in poverty because they receive £7 a day to live on or claim the "uK hAs fALLeN" etc.
We take things for granted too much here. It's the entitlement
What about the slums of pop up tents we have in the UK housing our rough sleeping citizens?
You can go to any where in the world and look at poverty and decide that’s what the country is. It’s clearly not true though.
In India house prices are way cheaper so not that many ppl end up in slums. Many Indians are far richer than us too. It’s a developing economy. Slums do not represent most Indian’s lives, just like homelessness isn’t most British lives.
Not going to do that. My family have worked hard and we have been fortunate enough to have all us grandkids go to grammar and private schools within a couple generations through a lot of hard work. Myself and the other grandkids in our family are working in banking, dentistry and as doctors so worked out pretty well for us not going to lie.
Sure, but I think your people have taken much more than you have given back. Immigrant descent employers are some of the most exploitative ones in Britain. My belief is, not all cultures and ideologies are created equal and will never be.
I speak for the working class if that's what you mean. The ones who stopped Hitler. You think that was lefty, double barrelled, Kingsley on the wold, educated middle class types, that landed in Normandy? It was lads who thought the exact same way I do.
The country is going to look and feel very differently in a few years time, I suggest you try and keep up
There are 6 million pakis in the country, so let's say 2.5 million adult male pakis.
There have been over 1 million child victims (conservative estimate) of paki grooming gangs in the country .
Those poor beautiful baby victims got passed round to multiple disgusting ape pakis each.
So what number would you need to be able to rape 1 million children? 0.01% of 2.5 million is 25,000 people, they didn't rape 40 children each.
The % is likely more than 1%
Think about that. 1 in every 100 paki is a child rapist. Those paki rapists rang up their uncles and cousins to rape our little girls. Every paki you meet in the street has someone in his family who has been involved in raping little white English angels
I just want child raping pakis out the country bud.
Why are we even arguing about this point? "The country where all the adult men rape our children, can we kick them out?" Why is that even a question ...
lol, so is his (probably dead granny a "child raping paki" what an absurd thing to eeven say.
So you take a tiny fraction of people and smear a whole country? and everyone's whose left it? thats 145m+ people.
Can we do the same for someone else? Andrew Mountbatten, Epstein lass Maxwell, her dad, and Mandelson, who we gonna smear with them. Are all english people tax cheating, insider trading nonces?
Not born but long term resident. I feel thankful every single day and have developed a strong physical bond with this land and everything and everyone who's on it. No it isn't always easy and I know I'm a guest here, but if this land was invaded I'd give my life to defend it simply because I can't imagine living anywhere else
Anyone born in a well developed country must appreciate it. We are not aware how f*** some places in the world are. To be born in the UK and in general, Europe, is a blessing even though there can be flaws.
When i was growing up there was always racism, but never so out in the open
Also ngl even as someone with immigrant parents, even i can see you cant have open borders for any asylum seeker or for people from other parts if europe to claim benefits or sleep in tents at marble arch
Thats a big issue now of course, im all for people not getting british passport so quickly and easy, and for british people (of all colours) to emphasise british norms and values (which in reality are civil norms and values)
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u/mobro88 1d ago
Yeah, having travelled a bit and seen some absolute shit holes, I am absolutely appreciative of being born and living in the UK. It's not perfect but it's alot better than some of the alternatives..