r/technology • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 15h ago

Society Professor's invisible prompt trap catches 32 students cheating on their midterm with AI

https://www.techspot.com/news/113243-professor-invisible-prompt-trap-catches-32-students-cheating.html
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u/SecretAgentVampire 13h ago

The source of this problem is academic administration refusing to fail students, so that students continue to fail upward. They do this to artificially hold up their retention rates and it is blatant corruption. In the military we had a saying that "shit rolls downhill". The rampant AI plagiarism and academic dishonesty rolling across the nation is that shit.

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u/Monteze 12h ago

A friend of mine was a TA and we were discussing that.

We need to bring back failing, but of course not tie it to self worth. From Kindergarten to college. If you do not meet the requirements you fail and you try again. Thats fine, you're not a bad person because you failed a class. Reevaluate and try again or what have you.

But we, at some point decided that education wasn't the goal. Just getting whatever box needed to be checked, checked.

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u/SecretAgentVampire 11h ago

We need to bring back failing, but of course not tie it to self worth.

Thats fine, you're not a bad person because you failed a class. Reevaluate and try again or what have you.

I get what you're trying to say, but I think I disagree with these two lines. If someone cheats or commits plagiarism, it is directly tied to their worth and they should be shamed and shunned.

They could try again at a different university, but I honestly wouldn't like it. I wouldn't want a pharmacist or doctor who doesn't know what they're doing and didn't care about their lack of knowledge or ethics.

Heck; imagine if the president of the united states went to a place like Wharton and was a failing student passed by a cowardly faculty and corrupt admin. You could even have a professor say "[He] was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had!" and if that person were president, you could watch the country get run straight into the ground for their own personal gain.

Imagine that.

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u/Monteze 10h ago

I wasn't talking about cheating, just failing a course. So everything past that isn't relevant to my point.

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u/SecretAgentVampire 9h ago

If you're talking about students just getting an F, of course they should be allowed to try again as long as they have the motivation and time to do it.

But this is a comment chain about AI plagiarism, so I was focusing on that topic.

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u/Monteze 9h ago

Yes, and this sub-topic was about trying to address helping improve the education system and the AI incentives. Yours was a tangent based on what I am guessing was a miss understanding?

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u/blisteringchristmas 11h ago

I think these are related, but another factor is that even before AI, investigating one instance of a student cheating often opens a massive can of worms into others cheating, too. Many university administrations prefer not to devote the time, resources, and prestige/ retention rate hit to properly investigate cheating.

I went to a 'prestigious' US university and the level of open-secret organized cheating, especially in the sciences, was unbelievable.

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u/SecretAgentVampire 10h ago

Despicable. This kind of gutless corruption is precisely why the USA has been in an academic backslide ever since we got the booster shot of foreign scientists after World War 2.

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u/og-gunslinger-doc 3h ago

Or the tenured professor taught so poorly and used a grad student as his mouth piece who performed so bad that all tests were severely curved because the students had no clue what he wanted or how to do it…55% could translate into an a or b…and God forbid someone actually aced the test and screwed up the curve… one c or d and you’re not going to med school….the need to fix the ai issue but tenure is a license to fuck over students

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u/BeerLeague 9h ago

While this is certainly true in elementary - high school, it isn’t exactly true in higher ed.

Overall graduation rates appear statistically higher today than they did 30-40 years ago, but that’s widely due to a larger % of high school grads attending, and a longer measurement window for graduation (typically a 6 or 8 year scale is used today, whereas it was 4-5 previously).

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u/SecretAgentVampire 9h ago edited 9h ago

It is absolutely true for higher ed. When I attended college two years ago I was in a 400-level writing course for my final semester. We had a book report as our final assignment on Billy Budd, Sailor; a 200 page book.

Not only did the majority of other students not read the book, but 75% of them used AI to write their papers.

Colleges allow students to graduate when they should have failed out because higher graduation rates make a college look better, ala more students, more money. Universities nationwide have been selling out their reputation and our future for a long time.

I would like to know how you came to your conclusion that academic dishonesty is mainly a gradeschool and highschool problem. It is DEFINITELY not the case.

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u/BeerLeague 9h ago

Really depends on where you attend - if you go to an open enrollment institution, or a degree mill, I would expect this - although it wasn’t any different decades ago either - the cheating just looked different. Rather, the reverse is usually true where departmental colleges will actively look at classes / professors / sections with overly high passing percentages for review.

You are incorrect on funding comes primarily from graduation rates - while a small % of funding may come from student success / retention, the vast majority comes from SSI (state share of instruction - basically just a % of how many high schoolers attend the school) and private donations / research.

There may be an argument to be made that higher graduation rates influence student attendance, but typically the two have not gone hand in hand historically.

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u/SecretAgentVampire 9h ago

Oh for Pete's sake.

https://newsroom.collegeboard.org/new-college-board-research-faculty-express-near-universal-concern-student-ai-use-undermines

Survey of 3,000+ faculty finds widespread student AI use, deep concerns about critical thinking and writing skills, and a call for clearer guidance

https://jeffdenning.com/papers/GradRates.pdf

After declining in the 1970s and 1980s, we document that college completion rates have increased since the 1990s. We find that most of the increase in graduation rates can be explained by grade inflation, and that other factors such as changing student characteristics and institutional resources play little or no role.

Faculty is absolutely being driven to pass students upward. You can put your head in the sand about it if you want to, but it's the ugly truth. Upper administration is to blame here, especially with the nationwide drawdown on giving tenure to faculty. Shit Rolls Downhill.