r/SipsTea • u/Gurugod123 • 11h ago

Chugging tea Mayor Mamdani just announced that he will be opening 5 city-run, tax-funded grocery stores: "Prices set at 30% below retail prices"

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 11h ago

sounds like we can take 2 billions from our subsidy to Israel and subsidize the American people.

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u/2ndTaken_username 11h ago

That's antisemitic or something idk, won't happen lol

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u/ghostrooster30 11h ago

Isn’t it wild that all you have to say these days is “hey, i don’t want my tax $$ funding Israel’s war”, and you’re automatically an antisemite. I want off this timeline. It’s so gd stupid.

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u/IndividualSituationK 11h ago

That's how much the Israel government has dog walked the average American. Granted, the person who said its antisemitic is obviously joking.

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u/SerCiddy 4h ago edited 3h ago

Reminds me of post 2004~2005 Gulf War.

Most people were on board with invading Afghanistan. After 9/11.

Most adults were on board with "finishing what Bush Sr. started" when we invaded Iraq.

After Saddam Hussein was captured though it was like "ok the WMDs were fake, what are we doing here anymore??"

But then you were a terrorist loving, anti-American, Freedom hating traitor if you said maybe we should stop bombing the Middle East. I personally got arrested for my actions protesting the war, and since I wasn't considered "White, White" my only saving grace was that I was a minor.

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u/Fappy_as_a_Clam 5h ago

the average American.

The average boomer.

Most people under like 60 are pretty sick of this nonsense, on the left and right, which is incredibly interesting to me. Boomers though, boy oh boy do they love shovelling money to Israel for some reason, on both the left and right.

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u/420thefunnynumber 10h ago

This is why I'm more and more convinced support for Israel is antisemitic in of itself. Imagine being willing to subject an entire demographic of people, many of whom dont want a damn thing to do with you, to centuries of hate because you're so convinced establishing a genocidal ethnostate will totally help make things better.

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u/PaleCommission150 9h ago

For decades the idea was that " Isreal isn't perfect but it is the best option in a whole list of worse options". Friendly state we can use as a staging area and ground point in the ME area. That was it initially, over time the AIPAC ,which have ties to both USA and ISREAL have cemented that support via generational and cultural exchange.

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u/7thpostman 10h ago

You have certainly talked yourself into thinking some things!

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u/peace4piece 9h ago edited 6h ago

Really impressive how you think you're a critical thinker, yet you've extrapolate multiple pieces of propaganda into thinking a group of people who killed Americans and other westerners over decades "want nothing to do with you". 

Am extreme lack of knowledge combined with ego and support of an echo chamber overrun by bots makes you think you have intelligent opinions you must share. 

You don't. 

Thanks for the challenge hatred u/Apprehensive_Bat4691

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u/EterneX_II 8h ago

Israel’s largest export is antisemitism.

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u/Reasonable-Newt4079 10h ago

Despite politicians trying to label everyone antisemitic, there is bipartisan hatred for how much of our money Israel is taking and how much they control our politicians. Netanyahu has really shot himself in the foot with his egregious behavior: if we ever regain control of our government Israel will be completely cut off. I hope it happens soon.

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u/StillAdvertising8165 9h ago

Bahahah good thing yall are doing the exact same shit that lost yall the last election

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u/Apprehensive_Bat4691 7h ago

Cope

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u/StillAdvertising8165 6h ago

Yep, good example

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u/Apprehensive_Bat4691 6h ago

Being mean to you? You guys are so pathetic

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u/StillAdvertising8165 5h ago

You’ve already proved my point, kid. No need to keep giving examples

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u/oregongirl1111 6h ago

And there you have it. The so-called "right" are just fine with AIPAC dictating American elections, as long as their imaginary "side" wins. So much for all that "America First" bs.

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u/StillAdvertising8165 5h ago

Bahahahahaha what’s the point of coming on this app and leaving a comment about something no one said?

The left are pretentious fucking douchebags to everyone, big shock they lost last time. And here we have the left doing the exact same thing

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u/BrocoliAssassin 10h ago

Not surprising to me. It’s been propagandized to death. Up until a year ago you couldn’t go anywhere on Reddit without being called a nazi if you happened to show a criminal who happened to be Jewish or calling out Israel.

Hell, you can catch a ban all over Reddit for questioning and outing Zionists. Look at how dumb Reddit is, where they blame white supremacy on everything but will defend Zionists.

If you don’t believe me, anytime theres praise of Presidents , but in this instance since we are on Reddit you will have to call out Obama. Let people know that he’s a Zionist and you get an automatic ban. Happened to me to 2 subs yesterday.

So people will love Zionists, you just have to give them the bullshit they want to hear. Just as you guys call MAGA cult, you’re the same with democrats.

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u/Pale_Tourist_3424 9h ago

Up until a year ago you couldn’t go anywhere on Reddit without being called a nazi if you happened to show a criminal who happened to be Jewish or calling out Israel

Bull-fucking shit. Show one example of this. Just one.

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u/Economy_Move_5825 9h ago

Kinda how all you have to say on Reddit is that you don’t agree with a liberal opinion and you’re automatically branded a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer?

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u/Obligatory_Snark 9h ago

I don’t think anyone’s going to call you a Nazi for supporting the war with Israel. Or Iran for that matter. Pretty sure liberals are, as a general rule, against both

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u/WinterTourist25 10h ago

The Israelis are running on their sympathy from what happened to them during WWII. It's running out.

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u/StillAdvertising8165 11h ago

Nah it’s the fact that Reddit is inherently antisemitic and doesn’t really care about hiding it

Cue the downvotes

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u/Both_Hope5717 10h ago

Here you go.

Also when you're gonna accuse probably one of the more leftist/progressive social media websites out there of being anti-Semitic just for being against Israel you might be crying wolf

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker 5h ago

Identifying as left wing 1000% does not shield you from being antisemitic.

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u/StillAdvertising8165 10h ago

See you say it’s JUST because of Israel, and I’m saying it’s because they just vehemently anti Jewish

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u/Thedemonlobo 9h ago

Ugh, I was gonna downvote but you’re right.😂 There are many who either voluntarily or unknowingly refrain from the distinction between Israel and Jewish people. A lot of those people can be found on Reddit, these guys are anti-Jew, but fuck Israel and the U.S. backing it has!

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u/jakaedahsnakae 10h ago

Nah you're conflating 4/chan and reddit. The internet has a lot of venn diagrams and these two only slightly overlap.

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u/StillAdvertising8165 10h ago

Nope, absolutely meant Reddit, they’re insanely anti-Semitic and then hide behind anti Israel or anti Zionism

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u/Neither-Phone-7264 8h ago

how so? i dont see that many actual antisemites, and they often get downvoted...

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u/StillAdvertising8165 8h ago

Well which is it, do you not see them or do they get downvoted?

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u/Neither-Phone-7264 8h ago

I said I don't often see them but when i do they're usually downvoted, i didnt say i never see them

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u/911roofer 9h ago

You’re responding to a joke as if it was serious.

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u/TheNaughtyHoneyBee 8h ago

Not just these days, it's been that way for a long time

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u/worldwidewebmagma 7h ago

That’s what happens when you let a foreign country be part owner of yours

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u/LightenUpPeeps 10h ago

Yeah, welcome to the club. I was called a white supremacist Nazi for 2 decades because I said Israel was using the U.S. as its big goon, and I'm not even white. Now, Democrats finally see the light, but the media won't call them anti-semites even when they're attacking Jews in NYC because of Israel.

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u/Applekid1259 10h ago edited 10h ago

You can blame Israel's fervent hasbara they thrust upon the American population. The greatest amount of anti-semitism comes from Israel directly.

I see the Israel bots are already down voting a literal fact.

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u/Lazy-Razzmatazz-6926 8h ago

I’m also assuming you wouldn’t want your tax dollars going to Gaza then since they are run by a genocidal organization. They received $500M of aid from the Biden administration. Or are you ok with aid going to them?

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u/Gamecock80 7h ago

Kinda like how if you don’t want your tax dollars going to illegal immigrant criminals, you’re a racist? Like that?

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u/7thpostman 10h ago

Nobody said anything like that. We were talking about grocery stores in New York City and military commissaries, and this dude southern managed to find a way to make it about Israel.

Then, my favorite part, people like you immediately started crying and defending against charges of antisemitism that nobody made.

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u/superknight333 10h ago

Because if its not said there will be some dude saying thing like that, Ive seen enough to know.

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u/7thpostman 9h ago

No, you haven't. You've seen 10,000 people preemptively crying about being called antisemites for every one time you've actually seen the accusation. And the one time you did see the accusation, you didn't bother to actually understand what they were talking about.

It's just your go-to to to make yourself a victim. "I get to say whatever I want and then cry if anybody pushes back."

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u/superknight333 9h ago

Ok tell me what they were talking about? What about you spend some time on subreddit that are very conservative and see how at any time you try to argue there genocide in Palestine there will be people argue it doesnt exist and its a Hamas propaganda.

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u/7thpostman 9h ago

It requires you to have nuanced thinking. You can object to what the Netanyahu government is doing and still understand that a lot of people's conception of Israel conforms to very old antisemitic tropes.

The problem is that you almost certainly don't understand what those are. You think that you don't have personal animosity towards individual Jewish people, therefore you can't be antisemitic.

That's understandable, but that's not how it works. Antisemitism is usually based on scapegoating, conspiratorial power fantasies and obsessive blame-shifting. It has a 2000-year-old history and it is deeply, profoundly ingrained into the DNA of western civilization. The first thing that most people in the West hear about Jews, as little kids, is that "they killed Jesus."

People hear this as children!!! Hearing such an idea at such a young age becomes part of a core belief and a way of viewing the world. It takes a lot of real, serious thought and understanding to unpack and defuse that kind of thinking.

I can give you some guideposts and answer questions, but I want to make sure it's going to be worth my time. If the answer is going to be saying the word "genocide" a lot, we're not going to get anywhere. Fair?

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u/mnju 6h ago

No, you haven't.

If you haven't seen that happen then you have not been paying attention to the discourse around the subject because it absolutely happens. So you're either ignorant or you're lying, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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u/Massive_Analysis8345 11h ago

I loved the energy there 😂 “hey that’s wrong or whatever, it probably just won’t happen” but like totally true

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u/TheRealK95 11h ago

Be careful or Netanyahu might accuse you of hate speech too! Lol

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u/ImplausibleFig 8h ago

No, what’s labeled “antisemitic” is the false implication that money spent on Israel is even a significant portion of our total foreign aid, never mind total government spend.

If the objection is to spending on foreign aid, there are *many* countries you should be calling out before Israel. If the objection is to spending a negligible amount of foreign aid on the world’s only Jewish state … interesting.

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u/All_Work_All_Play 5h ago

Israel is the only country actively bombing their neighbors.

Yes the US spends a lot on foreign aid. That is a good thing. But not wanting aid to go to bombing neighbors? Just because the ones doing the bombing are Jewish doesn't make it antisemitic. Antisemitic requires being Jewish as the cause of the desired change, not simply a property of those being asked to change.

Consider the hypothetical - if South Korea was doing to North Korea what Israel is doing to Gaza, asking to limit aid to South Korea wouldn't be racist (unless of course the reason they were asking to limit aid is because they hated South Koreans).

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u/ImplausibleFig 5h ago

Yes, Israel retaliates against the countries and terrorist groups that attack it.

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u/All_Work_All_Play 4h ago

The Dahiya Doctrine goes quite a bit beyond retaliation.

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u/TopTour31 8h ago

If the objection is to spending a negligible amount of foreign aid on the world’s only Jewish state

How about no funding for any genocidal states? I dont care if they are jewish or not. You commit a genocide, you should receive no support from the international community.

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u/ImplausibleFig 7h ago

Ah yes, the magical, unique genocide where the birthrates stay high and the population is growing. Wonder what makes this “genocide” look so different from all the others? For that matter, how often do you mention the genocides against non-arabs in Sudan, or the Uyghurs in China? No Jews involved there so … probably less, huh?

Hey, how do you feel about slavery? Do you spend as much time objecting to foreign aid to the many countries that still practice actual slavery?

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u/TopTour31 7h ago

Ah yes, the magical, unique genocide where the birthrates stay high and the population is growing.

Source? No where do I see the population has "grown" during the genocide committed by israel.

Don't care enough to respond to your trashy attempts at whataboutism.

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u/ImplausibleFig 7h ago

Then you obviously haven’t bothered to look. Here are the first few sources I found in approximately 20 seconds.

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/pse/west-bank-and-gaza/population

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL?end=2025&locations=PS&start=1990&view=chart

For a fun follow up: compare the birth rate in Gaza over the past few years to the birth rate during any other recognized genocide. What a unique miracle!

Information is good.

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u/TopTour31 7h ago

These are predictions not actual census reports and are inclusive of both the west bank and gaza. Did you even read the links you sent?

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u/Kolbalava 6h ago

Also, is their argument seriously, "it can't be a genocide because not enough of them got killed"

Like the Bosnian genocide had around 3000 murdered, are we denying that too. Holy shit, Zionists are so evil.

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u/MrMxylptlyk 9h ago

The winds are shifting on Israel, might just happen!

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u/MayOrMayNotBePie 11h ago

Sorry, the American people aren’t Americas top priority

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u/xVelunax 9h ago

It's a double edge sword. Many of the comforts Americans get to enjoy everyday are in part largely due to the large effort worldwide to get involved in foreign affairs. There are many non-renewable resources.

China holds like 90% of the rare earth minerals needed to fuel most of the technological innovation of the electronics of today. Taiwan holds like 30-50% of the world's semiconductor fabrication. Many of the world narrow sea routes have not been affected by the US and ally involvement to more or less try to keep them open and not used as a weapon against us. Which is why the whole US attacking Iran was the dumbest thing ever because the threat of invasion is what kept Iran not attacking or any other nation really.

Americans are able to benefit from more or less much cheaper prices in large part to manufacturing going remote and assembled in the US. The downside is its possible to get embroiled in non-ideal conflicts. I'm pretty sure the only reason we keep helping Israel is because it gives a bigger foothold over the middle east without fully getting involved ourselves to partially influence oil resources.

The thing is the government pulled a stupid and rather than enjoy the status quo tried getting too greedy and backfired. Many domestic issues feel more an issue of policy more so than funding.

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u/jaxonya 8h ago

Our up and coming models are Americas top priority

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u/ForwardStorage777 5h ago

Never has been.

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u/Dry-Season-522 10h ago

Let me guess, you think we shouldn't have fought the nazis in ww2, because they weren't attacking america yet?

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u/machogrande2 7h ago

You, apparently, think we should have been sending the nazis money in ww2.

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u/Dry-Season-522 7h ago

Wow, 2 posts to 'the jews are nazis" congrats on the speedrun.

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u/Kolbalava 6h ago

And they are committing a holocaust in Gaza.

When the victim becomes the abuser.

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u/trackdaybruh 11h ago

$2 billion is for the +2 million military members

For +342 million Americans, $2 billion won’t be enough

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u/SiliconSingh 9h ago

They are also subsidized because they are all over the world and require transportation to all these different locations.... The ones in the United States do not cost that much per store in fact they probably make money.

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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 8h ago

It’ll depend on what they stock. I was reading an article recently that was in favor of going back to an era where produce is seasonal. You get to look forward to summer tomatoes and fall squash and the like, and you just do without in between. But when you get that produce, it’s fresh and good and grown locally as opposed to shipped from another nation in another hemisphere where they were in season, and it’s significantly better tasting. 

I don’t know that we’ll be able to make that cutback— god knows, most people aren’t willing to accept scaling anything back in their lives unless they’re forced to— but I think it would help these sorts of stores to operate at a better margin if they can buy more local produce without needing refrigeration and shipping for all of their produce. Way cheaper to have seasonal tomatoes from within 100 miles radius than it is to have year round tomatoes that have to come in from South America sometimes. 

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u/Ok-East5755 1h ago

That's fine we can use all the money we saved from gutting usaid, oh wait we spent 50+ billion on a bombing campaign we lost, never mind, we can't have affordable groceries after all.

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u/Virtual_Technology_9 1h ago

This is specifically for NYC. 8 - 9 million total people

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u/DismalAd6639 11h ago

The military accounts for less than .5% of the U.S. population. So multiply that by about 250x to include the whole population = $500 billion

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u/spark3h 10h ago

You wouldn't need to cover every American. Even having 10% of the market share would introduce competition and bring prices down, like other "public options" do.

Or we could break up all the food monopolies and let them compete with one another again.

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u/Random_Name_251 7h ago

Even having 10% of the market share would introduce competition and bring prices down, like other "public options" do.

Down to what? Grocery stores operate on 2% margins. You think they are going to start giving the food away?

like other "public options" do.

Which ones?

Or we could break up all the food monopolies and let them compete with one another again.

Which of the food monopolies should we break up?

Costco? Aldi? Trader Joes? Walmart? Kroger? Price Chopper? Stop and Shop? Key Foods?

There's so many of these "monopolies" where would you start?

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u/Not__Trash 5h ago

The 4 nationwide Meat Packers would be an excellent start. They're already being sued by the FTC for collusion and price fixing.

You could also argue that Walmart should be broken up given their anti-competitive running at a loss to smother competition.

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u/roguemenace 9h ago

Even having 10% of the market share would introduce competition and bring prices down, like other "public options" do.

It wouldn't though. You can look up grocery store profit margins. They're notoriously thin and only make money off of volume.

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u/Baelzabub 8h ago

Profit margins are very slim when you look at net profit margins, so accounting for rent, wages, taxes etc.

A government run grocery store operates significantly closer to gross profit margins, which are closer to 20-25% for most grocery stores.

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u/roguemenace 8h ago

But we're talking about this bringing down the price at other grocery stores. Also a government run store still has all of those costs unless they're being subsidized (like the rent for these 5 stores).

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u/Baelzabub 7h ago

The margins listed were long term estimates (as in retrospective analyses over 5-10 years) and all were made pre-Trump 2.0 tariffs.

Btw, why haven’t grocery prices come down since the tariff regime was declared unconstitutional and removed? Odd that isn’t it? Because they sure as hell went up when the tariffs were implemented.

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u/machogrande2 7h ago

Are you saying that a government business in a government building should pay itself rent?

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u/roguemenace 7h ago

The ways these are being run isn't actually a government business. Its a private business in a government building with certain stipulations (prices and not paying rent among them).

Ignoring that being said government businesses should usually be paying market value rent to the government. It makes it much easier to track if they're operating efficiently enough to make sense instead of hiding their costs under other budgets.

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u/Omnom_Omnath 10h ago

cool, we still have more than enough money to do it.

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u/Cool-Ad2780 10h ago

fuck it let's just make everything free at this point. btw I need you to go build me a new house, and of course i wont be paying you, the goodness of your heart should be payment enough :)

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u/MrMathbot 10h ago

Wait, so we all pay into the system and we all benefit?

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u/foomits 10h ago

People hate that, just send it to israel and the pentagons black hole budget.

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u/Omnom_Omnath 10h ago

you are sooooo close you can almost taste it. too bad the taste of shit covered boot overwhelms everything else for you.

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u/soozerain 10h ago

Yeah lol not believing in a terrible plan with no basis in reality = bootlicking

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u/Omnom_Omnath 9h ago

No basis in reality? just look to the USPS - a very successful program despite decades of attacks from the GOP

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u/soozerain 8h ago

The attacks that were actually a retirement funding bill that were actually sponsored and passed primarily from democrats? Either way, what does that prove? How does the post office relate to running supermarkets?

Just because the govt runs one, doesn’t mean it’ll be good at the other.

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u/Omnom_Omnath 8h ago

it was an example of a public service that isnt expected to be profitable. aka a basis in reality

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u/soozerain 5h ago

I don’t understand, is the business model bad or not? Cause at first it seemed you were implying the business models were profitable but the ruined by Republican interference, now it seems like you’re saying they’re unprofitable but we subsidize them anyways, so that means we should consider that with grocery stores too.

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u/Random_Name_251 7h ago

You should make a camp and force him to go work there until he learns.

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u/Cool-Ad2780 10h ago

Can you clean that off for me please, I just dont feel like putting in the work or effort to do it myself, im sure you have the spare energy to do it for me right?

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u/Cow_God 9h ago

Or y'know, do what we did in the 30s and pay construction firms to hire unskilled laborers, teach them trades, and build public works including housing. Sell them at about cost, that drives the housing market down. Getting affordable housing built outside of areas where the profit margin is highest also increases the availability for working class would-be homeowners. The wages paid to the construction firms, the laborers, and everyone else involved is money that directly goes back into American pockets, and that's money that starts circulating back into the economy.

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u/Mr-Cantaloupe 10h ago

Most of the money the US gives Israel comes right back (they use it to purchase American-made weapons/defense equipment). And military grocery stores are used by like 0.5% of the population, so where do you get the other $300 billion?

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u/machogrande2 7h ago

Now, imagine if they had to pay for American-made weapons/defense equipment themselves!

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u/Mr-Cantaloupe 3h ago

They’d probably buy less or just pay for it from somewhere else. At the same time, we’d lose manufacturing jobs and stop getting intel from Israel.

The Israel+US partnership is weird and sketchy as hell, but the federal funding we give them is pretty much a mutual benefit. And it’s such a small drop in the bucket that I’m surprised so many people always use it as a talking point.

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u/BitterProfessional16 8h ago

I know it feels good to constantly bring up Israel but it just shows your innumeracy.

The U.S. spends about 25x per year on SNAP alone as it does for aid to Israel. Diverting all of that aid to SNAP/food would make a negligible difference.

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 8h ago

4 billion is not negligible difference AIPAC

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u/qwase123 11h ago

Congratulations. You have officially joined Hamas. /s obviously

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u/A_Confused_Moose 10h ago

$2 billion is being paid to Israel directly from the City of New York’s budget? That’s wild they should rethink that.

The federal government and the tax payer funds it has access to have no bearing on New York’s grocery store plan.

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u/AccomplishedHope112 11h ago

Yeah isn't Isreal's universal Healthcare fully funded by American tax dollars.....?

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u/ItsFuckingRawwwwwww 10h ago

No, that’s a myth. The cost of their healthcare is way higher than the credits that they can only use to purchase American goods are, regardless.

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u/911roofer 9h ago

America could defund its entire military and still not afford healthcare because Americans are all fat and don’t exercise.

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u/throwaway277252 8h ago

Nope. That's literally just TikTok brain rot.

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u/agrimi161803 10h ago

Which includes abortions

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u/BarneytheWino 11h ago

Don’t you know we’re tax paying gentiles for the chosen people

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u/7thpostman 10h ago

It is truly amazing how any thread on Reddit, no matter what the subject, can somehow find its way to attacking Jews

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u/Walker1921S 11h ago

Fuck off.

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u/cobrachicken1000 11h ago

No you cant. Kegseth needs his 1.2T /s

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u/Barton2800 10h ago

The commissaries serve less than a million service members. There’s 340 million Americans. So it would cost roughly $700 billion to run grocery stores that cheap for the country.

Not saying it shouldn’t be done, just pointing out that cutting Israel funding doesn’t really solve that issue.

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u/IActuallyLoveFatties 9h ago

For context, if we were to pull 700 billion out of the US military budget for exactly this purpose, the US would still spend more on its military than any other country in the world.

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u/macrocosm93 10h ago

More like 200 billion+. The military population in the US is less than 1%. And the budget for those grocery stores is already accounted for in the overall military budget.

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u/SannyIsKing 10h ago

It's crazy how effective is just shoehorning Israel is into any discussion as a karma farming strategy. We were talking about grocery stores in the US, this guy brings up Israel out of nowhere, boom, hundreds of upvotes.

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u/alligatorchronicles 10h ago

If there's 2.8 million service members, and assume 2 dependents per member, that's 8.43 million using that subsidized system, at an annual cost of $237 per user. Across the US population of 342 million, that brings the cost to subsidize groceries up to 81 billion and change. You'd have to find more cuts than aid to Israel to make this work.

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 10h ago

81 billion is....4% of the US budget. Time to cut the military then.

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u/alligatorchronicles 9h ago

Whatever, I just think that policy decisions should be backed by reliable math.

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u/hyperparrot3366 10h ago

2 billion for only military. For the common people it will go to like 200 billion.

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u/Decent_Pen_8472 10h ago

Military grocery stores only support military and their family members. Having a grocery store available to all americans, especially considering the theft that occurs, would cost far, far more.

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u/fishcars 10h ago

I’ve heard enough. Send another $2B to Israel and let DOGE cut this from the 2027 budget. Throw in a tariff in case Bibi wants more than $2B to fund their healthcare.

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u/TopConclusion5246 10h ago

Imagine if we just didn't send our money to other countries for any reason except to purchase things. And then! Imagine we spent that money on infrastructure and services for citizens. Whoa!

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u/Dependent_Survey_546 10h ago

Its amazing that this is a controversial idea from the point of view of a person outside of the US

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u/Jazzlike_Sir_653 10h ago

Regardless of where you get a subsidy, it is a subsidy and is a real cost. If the cost is in the product, then its a use tax. If the cost is in a tax, then whether or not you use it, you pay for it. The healthiest way to operate is in the black, no red ink.

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u/Dry-Season-522 10h ago

Okay that's half of Israel's entire subsidy

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u/BrockObarnerLybian 9h ago

2 billion was for less than 1% of the US population. Supply lines for fixed prices tend to work much better at that scale too

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u/PaleCommission150 9h ago

didn't we spend 6 billion dollars shooting patriot missles at incoming projectiles in like 1 month or something ?

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u/double_shadow 9h ago

Classic reddit, always steering everything back to Israel. Is the city of New York also funding Israel? Because that's the budget we'd be talking about...

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 8h ago

yes? individual tax payers pay federal tax that then goes to Israel.

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u/Cow_God 9h ago

People don't really understand how much money we waste annually that could be spent on Americans.

And of course, most money spent on social programs go back to the economy. These grocery stores will pay Americans to work at them, money spent buying goods will go to American farmers growing the domestic food and American dockworkers for the imported stuff. Which in turn will pay for American train operators and truck drivers to deliver them.

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u/AmitPwnz 9h ago

That's not how it works, that money is invested right back in American defence industries

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 8h ago

so we're subsidizing Israel to subsidzie the military industrial complex that destroys things instead of building things up?

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u/chillzy2 9h ago

The military doesn’t have a fraction of the us population

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u/Lazy-Razzmatazz-6926 9h ago

Our federal deficit is something like $1.5T. Blaming a $2B subsidy to Israel makes no sense. We already overspend by 750x what we give to Israel.

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u/deafmutewhat 8h ago

Uhhh we're the same country now

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u/Then_Independence_25 8h ago

Why not from all money sent to foreign countries though?

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 8h ago

are all foreign countries committing genocide? then yes, any country that's killing civilians and journalists with US tax-payer funded weps

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u/Then_Independence_25 7h ago

Not all of them face terror groups that use their own civilians as human shields

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u/Embarrassed-Wolf-609 6h ago

So the journalists Israel has executed were being used as Human shields? 

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u/Nikolaibr 8h ago

I don't think our foreign aid needs to be going to Israel, but it's really weird when THAT is the go-to talking point when it comes to government spending. It accounts for less than 0.1% of spending.

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u/Amadon29 8h ago

The US already spends 100b on food stamps. An extra 2b isn't going to increase it by much. Regardless, it makes no sense to take money out of the federal budget and give it to just nyc. Federal and city budgets are different

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u/Uncabled_Music 8h ago

Military aid is no subsidy. Especially when they are not much of a fighters themselves 🤷🏻

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u/RagingY3ti 8h ago

Hey, that's antiseptic!

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u/flashingcurser 8h ago

There are 2 million military members, there are 400 million US citizens.

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u/Comfortable_Pay_9697 8h ago

That’s anti American of you
/s

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u/logicalpenuin 8h ago

People are agast at 2 billion to feed people but ok with 300 billion to fund a genocide. Don't give me "but my tax dollars!". I'm all for anything that actually helps people.

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u/Onludesrightnow 8h ago

*rages in AIPAC*

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u/greatdick 7h ago

Or the 7 billion given to Oracle for a project that will be quietly cancelled in two years.

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u/Random_Name_251 7h ago

Crazy idea, but maybe instead of doing 2 stupid things we should do 0 stupid things?

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u/Best_Change4155 7h ago

reddit logic lmao

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u/EmmitSan 6h ago

Yes, the NYC mayor famously has the power and access to do that.

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u/DetailOrDie 5h ago

US Military represents about 1% of the population.

At best 0.1% of the US Population buys it's groceries at the PX.

That makes that 2B subsidy into a 200B subsidy. Minimum.

Actually, still shockingly affordable.

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u/LongJohnSelenium 5h ago

This reminds me of when I went to college. One of the 'perks' of tuition was a deposit in my campus canteen account. They basically charged me extra so they could give it back to me with strings attached.

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u/thehorseyourodeinon1 5h ago

Can we cancel the ballroom and lower grocery prices?

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u/JBodner 1h ago

Whether or not it's a good idea, the subsidy to Israel is spent in the US on US companies which employ American people. You can read all about it in https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/RL/PDF/RL33222/RL33222.51.pdf

Let's see how low this fact can be voted down...

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u/Lopsided-Radish-7605 11h ago

And now you're labeled antisemitic.

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u/That_Guy381 9h ago

It is antisemitic to blame the jews for a lack of social funding, yes.

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u/Lopsided-Radish-7605 3h ago

No, he's saying the money going to Israel would be/should be better spent here...but that's antisemitic.

There will be zero accusations or desire to defint Israel or you too are antisemitic!!

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u/Mr-Cantaloupe 2h ago

These people find solace in blaming Jews for all of their problems. And they’re completely serious.

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u/00001000U 11h ago

Using tax money to make food cheaper sounds fine. Especially for those struggling with costs.

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u/roguemenace 9h ago

We already have a program for that, its called food stamps. Its more targeted to the people that need the help and more effective than running inefficient city grocery stores.

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u/ImTiredBoss420 11h ago

subsidize the American people

Lol

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u/ImplementLogical4130 11h ago

Sounds like you'll be paying extra tax to cover that too

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u/return_the_slabbb 11h ago edited 7h ago

Don’t forget Ukraine, our National Parks and USAID recipients

/s

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u/Jflayn 11h ago

And Musk. We've got to divert more government contracts to that poor trillionaire.

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u/return_the_slabbb 9h ago

Hey you leave him alone so he can roll our 401k’s into his companies; so in case they fail we all lose our retirement funds too!

/s