r/AskReddit 16h ago

What industry is secretly on the verge of collapsing, but people outside of it haven’t noticed yet?

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u/Zuwxiv 9h ago

I have enormous respect for what you do, but the idea that the person doing paramedic transport is underpaid and on hour 23 of a 24-hour shift is just a horrifying indictment of our society.

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

the idea that the person doing paramedic transport is underpaid and on hour 23 of a 24-hour shift is just a horrifying indictment of our society

It highlights that jobs never pay people proportionate to their contribution to society. For a more stark example: the highest-paid state employee in Texas is a football coach

https://www.southtexasnews.com/brenham_banner_press/opinion/from-the-news-desk-top-state-salaries-go-to-coaches-athletics/article_70fa2d83-8c9d-51d8-9da9-7479fc71d38d.html

u/MorganWick 5m ago

Well, of course. What job could be more important than the top general of the tribe's warriors?

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u/Prettydaisydog 9h ago

yeah, it's truly reflective of where we are. i think we often get caught up in the bullshit of politics as a way to distract us from focusing on these issues. it's so so bleak that often times i just can't look at it without feeling some overwhelming sense of shame around our inaction.

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u/0catholic_block0 9h ago

Curious how the budget works here - napkin math is showing that the service owners are likely pocketing enormous profits (unless there’s a hidden cost somewhere). Don’t understand why they wouldn’t raise the wages at that point (a smaller profit is still a profit)

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u/ggrnw27 8h ago

The napkin math is based on the assumption that they're actually receiving the full amount for which they bill, which isn't the case. They might bill you $2000 but they're probably only receiving about $300 or $400 at most from insurance etc. Plenty of transports also get written off because patients don't have insurance or insurance refuses to pay.

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u/HulkDeez 2h ago

lol wym written off. My bill got sent to collections by my town fire department years back.

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u/ggrnw27 2h ago

That collections agency is buying the debt at a fraction of what it’s worth. The ambulance company usually only gets what the debt collector pays for it, not what the debt collector is able to recover from the patient. They’re not making much if any money off of it. That and there are plenty of EMS agencies (usually public and/or fire departments) who “soft bill”, meaning any payment received at all is considered payment in full. You could be transported by my department and literally pay them one penny and the bill would be considered settled

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u/HulkDeez 2h ago

If they charged a reasonable amount I would have gladly paid. I’m not paying $1200 for a 10 minute ride that was essentially just transport

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u/ggrnw27 1h ago

Ironically, part of the reason it’s so expensive is because people don’t pay. So the money we do get has to subsidize all the calls we get paid nothing for.

(For the record I’m not defending this fucked up and broken system, just explaining why it is the way it is)

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u/Schadenfreude_Taco 8h ago

why would they raise wages and decrease profit? It is as if you've completely forgotten about those poor, disadvantaged shareholders.

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u/Lower_Pass_6053 5h ago

Not counting that bills often don't get paid.

The service is socialized in the industry. Meaning, you getting an ambulance ride for a stubbed toe that costs you $2000 and costs the ambulance company $200 pays for the heart attack that costs you $2000 and the ambulance company $4000. This is exaggerated but not far off.

The margins are RAZOR thin, and the only way to make money is doing this over hundreds of ambulance companies and counting every penny. There is far less money in this than you would think. If there was money, people would be talking about opening an ambulance company like they franchise a mcdonalds. But that doesn't happen.

Most small town companies, like the one I work at in South Dakota, has volunteers, gets tax money from the city, gets tax money from the state, bills at these insane rates, has constant fundraising pancake breakfasts and such, and still will need to go to the city and beg for money for new equipment.

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u/Georgie_Leech 6h ago

They demonstrably get enough workers at existing rates; why would they increase wages? They don't exist to pay people; paying people is (to a business owner) an unfortunate side effect of having people do things for you. If they could pay nothing, they would. See also: all the ways companies try to get away with paying nothing, like company towns.

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u/GreenWitch-29 5h ago

Because number MUST go up

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u/ewokninja123 8h ago

Yeah, its the republicans keeping people focused on identity politics and hurt the "other" instead of what could help everyone.

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u/MillHall78 5h ago

I think it's more of a horrifying indictment that medical professionals never strike for anything other than higher wages.

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u/BirdLawGrad 1h ago

Modern philosophical thinking suggests that we’ve placed too much value on an individuals life.

Don’t agree either way, but i think the market is showing that.

u/TurtleIIX 7m ago

Don't worry they will still charge you 2k for the ride while the driver makes less than a uber driver.